The Lie of 9-11 and it's after effects

[wist43]

But Truth, we have video of what happened to Hiroshima. There was no attempt to cover it up. It was undeniable.
There is 0 support for 200+ being gassed in Ohio. A theory has to at least be plausible.
That the government lied, is likely. Fairies turning the passengers into toads, because the government lied, is far more unlikely than the government's version.
Without me fixated on bodies, we can go on and test the theory with other improbable notions.
Who built drones that looked just like the airplanes that people witnessed flying into a building? And then built 3 more with nobody mentioning it?

When the government told us that there was nothing to see at Area 51, eyewitnesses disagreed and told us what they saw. They were believable.
When the government told us there was no truth to the rumor that there was a shelter under the Greenbrier Resort, the people in Lewisburg, that built the underground complex, told everyone the truth. And it was believable.

There are just too many impossible assumptions in the Ohio story to make it credible...

Again, you're dealing with the Military Industrial Complex - they literally have $Trillions at their disposal.

When I was doing a deep dive on this 16+ years ago, I came to understand that Dov Zakheim, whose title at the time was Comptroller of the Pentagon (I'd have to look up again what his actual title was at the time) was involved with the missing $2 trillion as well as retrofitting 30+ Boeings in the military fleet.

Dov Zakheim was one of the principle architects of 9/11.

These things tend to stay very compartmentalized, so if the needed to retrofitting an airfield and hanger facilities - easy enough.

Military Industrial Complex.

Unlimited $$, resources, and power.

That's who we're dealing with.

 

[wist43]

Aga

LA RAM FAN, let's talk about gullibility.

Who was flying the 4 planes to an Ohio airport? There were 8 airports to choose from. They would all have to go to the same airport, because the "prepared gas chamber" < (kill the people that prepared it to prevent any rumors) had to be very close by. And no one at any of the commercial airports, noticed, at that stage, what would have been over two hundred people being held against their will or saw them all being bussed to a secret location. Those who did see them would have to be killed to make sure there was no one that would expose the truth.

Back to the pilots. Who flew the planes? The pilots or hijackers? When did they contact any of the towers for navigation and altitude coordinates and head for Ohio? Even hijackers needed the control tower to keep them from running into other planes trying to land. Were the United pilots and co pilots and crews in on the plan? Did they tell anyone about the "secret mission" they had been chosen for?

Don't stop there. Kill everyone in the control towers too. Because 4 planes dropping in on the same airport while buildings were crumbling by what were described as airplanes, had to raise a whole lot of suspicion.

I don't mind a good supposition at all, but it needs to be a little more sound than they were fed to the alligators in the Ohio River, or aliens took them all to Area 51...

Again, how do you think the people were disposed of??

The official theory is impossible, so what's yours??

 

[The Irish Ram]

This is what may have hit the Pentagon. It is plausible.

Aimed almost parallel to the ground. The trajectory made sense. And if it exploded inside the building, it would have bent the fence outward. Having no knowledge of the weapon, I don't know about the damage it would have made to the building. Would there be more or less damage, and is there a missile that would fit the damage done?
But then I am hit with the same problem. Where is the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon, and where are the passengers? 64 people. They all could have been killed with carbon monoxide without ever leaving the plane. Where would a plane with 64 dead people on it hide?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

But Truth, we have video of what happened to Hiroshima. There was no attempt to cover it up. It was undeniable.
There is 0 support for 200+ being gassed in Ohio. A theory has to at least be plausible.
That the government lied, is likely. Fairies turning the passengers into toads, because the government lied, is far more unlikely than the government's version.
Without me fixated on bodies, we can go on and test the theory with other improbable notions.
Who built drones that looked just like the airplanes that people witnessed flying into a building? And then built 3 more with nobody mentioning it?

When the government told us that there was nothing to see at Area 51, eyewitnesses disagreed and told us what they saw. They were believable.
When the government told us there was no truth to the rumor that there was a shelter under the Greenbrier Resort, the people in Lewisburg, that built the underground complex, told everyone the truth. And it was believable.

There are just too many impossible assumptions in the Ohio story to make it credible...

we ALSO have overwhelming facts that it was a missile that hit the pentagon and not an airliner i suggest you read truths posts #478 and #479 and not ignore what he posted that reporter on the spot CNNS Jamie Mcintyre said here below.
t was CNN’s Jamie McIntyre who first questioned the official narrative. On the day of 9/11, he said on live television, “There’s no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.


as well as try not to ignore what i posted earlier how april gallop said she saw a missile and got harrassed for not going along with the governments narrative that a pentagon hit the towers.

also WHY do you evade that the best pilots in the world over at pilots for 9/11 truth have said THEY could not have pulled off those incredible manuvers the commission said was pulled off. and you are going to tell is these AMETUERS who could hardly even fly a cessna pulled it off?

It was CNN’s Jamie McIntyre who first questioned the official narrative. On the day of 9/11, he said on live television, “There’s no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.”"

again WHY do you choose to ignore the facts that prove no airliner hit the pantagon like the fact there was no luggage present,no bodies like you always see at an airliner crash? and that it was a missile but instead are fixated on what happened to the passengers?

again instead of being fixated on the irrelevent questions of what happend to the bodies,you need to be asking THOSE important questions I stated and go to the BUSH administration ,the CIA and mossad and ask THEM why they are covering this up just as that patriotic congressmen as doing.

you are as obsessed over what happened to the bodies as langley agent candyass is over the lightpoles.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Aga

Again, how do you think the people were disposed of??

The official theory is impossible, so what's yours??

we can try and go over that day and night and speculate how they were but i dont see how thats relevent,what IS relevent is that a new independent investigation which that patriotic congressmen is pushing for happens.doesnt really matter how it happened,just that real perpetraters of the crimes and our congressmen who are covering it up,be punished for their crimes instead of getting off scott free as they have.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Aga

Again, how do you think the people were disposed of??

The official theory is impossible, so what's yours??

There were many many eyewitnesses to two of the planes, with passengers inside. I believe they were hijacked. Proof of that fact was confirmed in cell and air phone calls that were able to get through. All of the plot quite possibly arranged by our government. No alarms were raised when the hijackers were being trained to fly the planes. Rigging the buildings with explosives could have been easily accomplished, without suspicion. All the gov needed was something to light the fuse, and to place the blame on. The 2 planes did that.
The third plane, that was "going to the White House" but the WH was magically spared, is bullshit propaganda. That plane went down exactly as planned. There were witnesses. And we were led to believe that we really dodged a bullet with that one.
But then, the Pentagon is a different set of circumstances.

 

[wist43]

There were many many eyewitnesses to two of the planes, with passengers inside. I believe they were hijacked. Proof of that fact was confirmed in cell and air phone calls that were able to get through. All quite possibly arranged by our government. No alarms were raised when the hijackers were being trained to fly the planes. Rigging the buildings with explosives could have been easily accomplished, without suspicion. All the gov needed was something to light the fuse, and to place the blame on. The 2 planes did that.
The third plane, that was "going to the White House" but the WH was magically spared, is bullshit propaganda. That plane went down exactly as planned. And we were led to believe that we really dodged a bullet with that one.
But then, the Pentagon is a different set of circumstances.

I don't disagree with any of that.

But from there the question is, "where did they land the planes and how did they dispose of the passengers??

9/11 Pearl Harbor does a pretty good job of laying out the phone calls.

My guess is the calls were made after they were landed, reading from scripts.

You really should watch this. I think it provides a nice baseline of understanding.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Aga

Again, how do you think the people were disposed of??

The official theory is impossible, so what's yours??

No it is not impossible

It is proven and you have yet to offer a single piece of evidence to challenge it

 

[Soupnazi630]

This is what may have hit the Pentagon. It is plausible.

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Aimed almost parallel to the ground. The trajectory made sense. And if it exploded inside the building, it would have bent the fence outward. Having no knowledge of the weapon, I don't know about the damage it would have made to the building. Would there be more or less damage, and is there a missile that would fit the damage done?
But then I am hit with the same problem. Where is the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon, and where are the passengers? 64 people. They all could have been killed with carbon monoxide without ever leaving the plane. Where would a plane with 64 dead people on it hide?

A javelin missile could not have possibly caused the damage to the pentagon

 

[Soupnazi630]

I don't disagree with any of that.

But from there the question is, "where did they land the planes and how did they dispose of the passengers??

9/11 Pearl Harbor does a pretty good job of laying out the phone calls.

My guess is the calls were made after they were landed, reading from scripts.

You really should watch this. I think it provides a nice baseline of understanding.

Your video is pure speculation

Your guess is not based on any sound reasoning or evidence

 

[Soupnazi630]

Again, you're dealing with the Military Industrial Complex - they literally have $Trillions at their disposal.

When I was doing a deep dive on this 16+ years ago, I came to understand that Dov Zakheim, whose title at the time was Comptroller of the Pentagon (I'd have to look up again what his actual title was at the time) was involved with the missing $2 trillion as well as retrofitting 30+ Boeings in the military fleet.

Dov Zakheim was one of the principle architects of 9/11.

These things tend to stay very compartmentalized, so if the needed to retrofitting an airfield and hanger facilities - easy enough.

Military Industrial Complex.

Unlimited $$, resources, and power.

That's who we're dealing with.

None of that constitutes evidence of anything

Where is your evidence

 

[The Irish Ram]

you are as obsessed over what happened to the bodies

You dumbass. You might as well pretend the bodies were carried off by wolves. It makes no difference to the eyewitnesses, collecting their evidence on their phones. Do you pretend that no cell phone calls or air phones went through?
How do you tell a whole city not to believe their lying eyes??? How do you tell all of those people who tuned in and watched the second plane hit that they didn't see what they saw?
Start there. Let's dissect this using common sense, if you're able...

If they were going to kill all the people on those planes anyway, why not just fly them into the building and remove all doubt as to where those people died? The dilemma was resolved in hijacking the planes. Gassing them would involve a large web of witnesses and participants to that trip to Ohio.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Again, you're dealing with the Military Industrial Complex - they literally have $Trillions at their disposal.

When I was doing a deep dive on this 16+ years ago, I came to understand that Dov Zakheim, whose title at the time was Comptroller of the Pentagon (I'd have to look up again what his actual title was at the time) was involved with the missing $2 trillion as well as retrofitting 30+ Boeings in the military fleet.

Dov Zakheim was one of the principle architects of 9/11.

These things tend to stay very compartmentalized, so if the needed to retrofitting an airfield and hanger facilities - easy enough.

Military Industrial Complex.

Unlimited $$, resources, and power.

That's who we're dealing with.

Or they could have just run the 2 planes into the buildings and let every body watch. Problem solved...

 

[LA RAM FAN]

There were many many eyewitnesses to two of the planes, with passengers inside. I believe they were hijacked. Proof of that fact was confirmed in cell and air phone calls that were able to get through. All of the plot quite possibly arranged by our government. No alarms were raised when the hijackers were being trained to fly the planes. Rigging the buildings with explosives could have been easily accomplished, without suspicion. All the gov needed was something to light the fuse, and to place the blame on. The 2 planes did that.
The third plane, that was "going to the White House" but the WH was magically spared, is bullshit propaganda. That plane went down exactly as planned. There were witnesses. And we were led to believe that we really dodged a bullet with that one.
But then, the Pentagon is a different set of circumstances.

Now you are REALLY shooting yourself in the foot that there was proof of highjackers

You dumbass. You might as well pretend the bodies were carried off by wolves. It makes no difference to the eyewitnesses, collecting their evidence on their phones. Do you pretend that no cell phone calls or air phones went through?
How do you tell a whole city not to believe their lying eyes??? How do you tell all of those people who tuned in and watched the second plane hit that they didn't see what they saw?
Start there. Let's dissect this using common sense, if you're able...

If they were going to kill all the people on those planes anyway, why not just fly them into the building and remove all doubt as to where those people died? The dilemma was resolved in hijacking the planes. Gassing them would involve a large web of witnesses and participants to that trip to Ohio.

so when losing an argument you resort to name calling? the government BS version that cell phone calls has been proven BS the fact that it was IMPOSSIBLE to make cell phone calls back then at levels that high in the air the airliners were at truthseeker documented that earlier.

I suggest you go back and reread all his posts ,oh thats right,you never read what does not go along with your version of events as proven you BLATANTLY ignore that the best pilots in the world at pilots for 9/11 truth have said it is IMPOSSIBLE for an airliner to do those kind of manevers they said was done,that the people at the towers they all thought it was a JET FIGHTER.until your willing to GROW UP and stop ignoring what the best pilots in the world have said and stop believing ametuers who could barely fly a cessna,you are not worthy of trying to educate anymore.

what witnesses? show me LIVE WITNESSES that day right on the spot saying they saw passengers and an airliner hitting the pentagon as i and that other person did of that reporter saying there was NO EVIDENCE AN AIRLINER hit the pentagon and why do you continue to IGNORE how pentagon employee april gallop said about seeing a missile and how she was harrassed and badgered by government officials?

oh and answer the damn question WHY the FBI "that has a HISTORY of being evil being involved in lies and coverups going back to the evil demonic j edgar hoover" WHY they ILLEGALLY confiscated the camera at the gas station across from the pentagon and WHY with HUNDREDS of cameras in the pentagon they somehow dont even have film footage of the airliner other than that very flimsy 8 second video Einstein? answer me that damn question instead of your dodgeball game game of passengers.

you ignore the BEST PILOTS IN THE WORLD WHO HAVE SAID THEY COULD NOT HAVE PULLED OFF THOSE FEATS AND TRUST THE MEDIA OVER THEM? and you call ME a dumbass?


see unlike you,i dont run off with my tail between my legs and change the subject when proven wrong,i admit when i am proven wrong,you might try that. i also unlike you,give EVIDENCE AND FACTS to back up what i say,here are the videos of the expert pilots who have said that its IMPOSSIBLE for an airliner to do all those things and the evidence there was NO AIRLINER but a missile instead,dont take defeat too hard,it happens to the best of us.LOL

this video says you are clueless that witnesses say they saw passengers,see, it says MILITARY WITNESSES SAY THERE WAS "NO AIRLINER." forgive me,but i will trust MILITARY WITNESSES over YOUR babble anyday of the year.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I don't disagree with any of that.

But from there the question is, "where did they land the planes and how did they dispose of the passengers??

9/11 Pearl Harbor does a pretty good job of laying out the phone calls.

My guess is the calls were made after they were landed, reading from scripts.

You really should watch this. I think it provides a nice baseline of understanding.

i just watched the first 30 minutes of it,excellent stuff.cant wait to watch the rest of it, just like we were lied to on pearl harbour by FDR,same here with 9/11 and bushwacker.

oh and Irish Ram,CNN TRIED to bury and coverup that video of that reporter on the spot tellinf the truth there was NO EVIDENCE AN AIRLINER hit the pentangon that day but we should trust our media and our government officials though you say,they NEVER lie,they are always looking out for us.

 

[wist43]

Or they could have just run the 2 planes into the buildings and let every body watch. Problem solved...

As I've explained and laid out, the physics involved in flying those planes at those speeds, disqualifies that theory.

Watch the documentary I posted, it covers this topic between 1:27 to 1:40.

It's not just 1 documentary from out of the ether - the Pilotsfor9/11truth, and Architectsfor9/11truth cite the physics of tge observed events as the foundation for their objections to what you have just stated above.

As the old saying goes, "it's just math".

 

[The Irish Ram]

what witnesses?

These folks:

Tell them what they really saw...

Gov. plan A
1. Get a few Muslims to fly 2 planes into the WTC, and 1 into the ground.
2. Set off explosions and bring towers down.

LA RAM's Plan A.
1. Manufacture 3 drones to look exactly like the planes.
2. Talk 4 United pilots and crews into a secret suicide mission.
3. Have the pilots hijack their own planes and fly them all to an airstrip somewhere at the same time with no radar detection in any control towers.
4. Have the airliner/drones take off from somewhere and hit the two towers.
5. set off explosions and bring them down
6. Kill all of the passengers and crews on the actual planes.
7. Do something with the bodies.
8. Deconstruct the planes.
9. Convince all the eyewitnesses in Pa. that they didn't see a plane come down either.

LOL LA, you are no Gen Patton..

As for the Pentagon # 483 and # 489 have already addressed that...

 

[wist43]

These folks:
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Tell them what they really saw...

Gov. plan A
1. Get a few Muslims to fly 2 planes into the WTC, and 1 into the ground.

VMO for the 2 planes that are supposed to have hit the towers was 402 mph and 414 mph respectively.

How could they survive 586 mph at sea level??

This should bring you to a FULL STOP in championing the official version, but you refuse to look at the actual physics that make the official version impossible.

Why do you cling to the official version when it is scientifically impossible??

2. Set off explosions and bring towers down.

Yes, this is obvious.

 

[candycorn]

You still got nothing I see.

 

[candycorn]

Many, many FACTS have been pointed out herein this Topic, which You either "Willfully Ignore", or obviously, have Monumental Issues over Comprehending the Written Word .

Hopefully, Your "Go Fund Me" will reach .05 cents here in about a year, & You'll be on the "Road to becoming Literate".

No they haven’t. You guys always do this. What is most comical in a litany of patheic posts you’ve authored is that you, somehow, think your schtick is something unique.

Nobody has ever pointed out a major thing the 9/11 Commission Report got wrong. The report appears to have been written on kevlar because it’s bullet proof.