The Lie of 9-11 and it's after effects

[Robert W]

- I object to saying that the commercial airliners were hijacked at all - when there is evidence that our intelligence agencies were running the "terrorists" as Assets, controlled by Handlers, under Operation Able Danger.

(Watch Webster Tarpley's lecture. He covers all of this)



- I object to assuming the planes that hit the towers and Pentagon were the original passenger planes, when we know for a fact that the actual planes were flying beyond VMO.

- on that count, I also object to the portrayal of the "terrorist pilots" as being competent enough to perform the feats of flying witnessed.

(These issues are covered in the documentary 9/11 A New Pearl Harbor)



- I object because the physics of the buildings collapsing do not compute with the official version.

(There have been many credible scientists and institutions that have lodged objections)

There are many, many more, but you can't seem to grasp the obvious aspects of the above objections, so you're stuck unless you commit to investigating the truth instead of just finding reinforcement for the false official version.

Tarpley in 3 minutes managed to establish the following.
He is a Democrat.
He accused President Bush of being a war monger.
Why? Iraq of course. Iraq is one of the most misunderstood wars this nation has been involved in.
What experts on this have I studied. Actual Generals who were in charge of the incident in Afghanistan and also in Iraq.
Let's clear up some issues.
1. Afghanistan was believed to be where Bin Laden was housed. And later under Obama it was proven he was housed there. Bush at first had no proof he was there. But intelli

Oh look! How did I know going into this that Conspiracy Theorist #1 Buttercup would agree with you?

Look Holmes, I'm not a material scientist but I've studied material science enough and know enough about jets to say this:

• The jets that hit the WTC were loaded with fuel and hit the skyscrapers under full power, going straight into the central reinforced column that supported the building and its elevators, wiring trunks, etc.
• They blew up in a fireball of nearly 1800° hot enough to weaken unprotected steel.
• Jets are made practically of tissue paper--- to be as light as possible while holding up to flying and landing. The wings bend up and down by several feet and even the fuselage changes shape expanding and contracting as the planes fly and land.
• The Pentagon is made of thick, heavy, reinforced concrete.
• The plane that crashed in PA was not trying to land, the passengers flew it almost straight into the ground.

It does not take a genius to realize that no conspiracies are necessary to explain what happened on 9/11.

Very well put. Funny how all those conspiracies vanish when just Democrats are presidents. But elect a Republican and all events globally get blamed on those presidents. We Republicans exist on pure evidence; we will not claim conspiracies until proof positive presents itself so we can see who all was involved. We name those and do not call them sources. We do not allege Martians cause airplanes to crash since we will wait for actual experts to explain what caused the crash.

Why do we object to conspiracies. Facts once known are fairly easy to explain. Conspiracies involve in most cases a vast array of others all with the same motive which is to secretly control events in wild and crazy ways. To support the conspiracy, it takes in most causes thousands of likeminded people just to do the deeds. Guys like Tarpley start early explaining they are anti Republicans. It is the same old story on virtually all major issues. While we do endorse the proven idea of a deep state, it does its deeds when they are officials in government and they themselves supply evidence we notice and use their words as proof.

A good example is the proven claim Obama got the story going that Trump and the Russians were close workers to get Trump elected. I had used an official document some years ago proving it was Obama and not Trump that got this false flag story going. Recently Tulsi Gabbard has also made it clear it was Obama doing the dirty deed.

 

[toobfreak]

So,...."Tissue paper like metal", bore a hole in to the Pentagon, with no readily available evidence of a Jet Airliner having crashed?

Now you are just being stupid. Of course the plane hit the Pentagon, it was witnessed and caught on video. It left a giant hole and many bodies. Just because a jet is made of light aluminum and hollow ribs to be light enough to fly, it still weighs many tons, about 150 tons, and was moving probably 300 mph when it hit--- and I guess they didn't teach you about kinetic energy when you were in high school.

Kinetic energy, that is why when a 12 foot rock hit Arizona 50,000 years ago, it left a crater a mile wide, and why when a 6 mile wide rock hit the Yucatan Peninsula, it killed the dinosaurs and most life on Earth.

Oh and, change my words, misquote me again, and I'll report you for a gross rule violation. I never said anything about "tissue paper like metal." I said that jets were made practically of tissue paper--- to be as light as possible while holding up to flying and landing, meaning as thin and light as possible.

 

[Robert W]

Now you are just being stupid. Of course the plane hit the Pentagon, it was witnessed and caught on video. It left a giant hole and many bodies. Just because a jet is made of light aluminum and hollow ribs to be light enough to fly, it still weighs many tons, about 150 tons, and was moving probably 300 mph when it hit--- and I guess they didn't teach you about kinetic energy when you were in high school.

Kinetic energy, that is why when a 12 foot rock hit Arizona 50,000 years ago, it left a crater a mile wide, and why when a 6 mile wide rock hit the Yucatan Peninsula, it killed the dinosaurs and most life on Earth.

Oh and, change my words, misquote me again, and I'll report you for a gross rule violation. I never said anything about "tissue paper like metal." I said that jets were made practically of tissue paper--- to be as light as possible while holding up to flying and landing, meaning as thin and light as possible.

They can observe a lot of Airplane crashes if they seek truth. As you describe airliners, it is the truth. They are aluminum tubes moving around in our atmosphere. Ordinarily we are not dealing with criminals aiming airplanes into buildings. So, most think like they crashed on the ground, and all sorts of debris shows us proof, such as wings and engines. 911 attackers used huge airliners. And of course, major parts were found. Parts of bodies were found. If they want evidence, they must study official reports.

 

[toobfreak]

Very well put. Funny how all those conspiracies vanish when just Democrats are presidents. But elect a Republican and all events globally get blamed on those presidents.

I get sick of arguing baseless conspiracy theories year in and year out with people with absolutely no facts nor understanding of the science. Some people just naturally are attracted to any conspiracy theory at all, one person here goes with any conspiracy theory on anything every time; I guess the less you know and understand, the more this crap appeals to some people. Must be terrible living thinking there is some dark, hidden, scurrilous secret behind every event in life, thinking that every official, documented story is a total lie. Some people might say that is a sign of organic brain damage.

I've read the entire 911 report, I've viewed maybe 20 hours of detailed analysis of everything involved, the jets, the buildings, the people, and I've even looked at all of the conspiracies. None of them hold water to careful evaluation.

 

[Robert W]

You're wrong about that. I’m actually very much open to all information, and if I hold a view that is proven wrong, I change my opinion.

Which is how I changed from being at least generally accepting of the "official version", to rejecting almost all of it.

As well schooled in the subjects of false flags, general intelligence practices, and history in general - I did not consider 9/11 to be a false flag.

Truth be told, I was going through a lot of changes in my life at the time, and was too distracted to follow events closely. So, what I did hear on the news and from the government - I was suspicious of, but didn't have any facts to dispute it, so I tepidly accepted the official version.

It was 8-9 years later that I actually got around to investigating 9/11. I did some pretty rigorous research for about 2-3 years, and was able to confidently conclude that 9/11 was a false flag.

Per your story, a vast conspiracy is still operating. What did the Democrats do about this conspiracy?

 

[toobfreak]

They can observe a lot of Airplane crashes if they seek truth. As you describe airliners, it is the truth. They are aluminum tubes moving around in our atmosphere.

Airplanes are little more than empty, pressurize sausages. To maintain structural integrity, they rely on the fuselage being 100% intact. I used to watch a TV documentary series called 'Mayday Air Disasters' and each is a careful analysis on some air disaster. In every case, if a plane loses integrity in most any part of it, develops a crack between two panels, loses a hatch door, anything, it is usually curtains for that plane and it cannot remain airborne and often, they even break apart in the air even before they crash. That is why bombs are so effective, even a small bomb under a seat blowing a hole in just one part of the plane is often enough to doom the entire flight.

Ordinarily we are not dealing with criminals aiming airplanes into buildings. So, most think like they crashed on the ground, and all sorts of debris shows us proof, such as wings and engines. 911 attackers used huge airliners. And of course, major parts were found. Parts of bodies were found. If they want evidence, they must study official reports.

Usually, most planes crashing are still at least guided in with someone /trying/ to land them gentle as possible parallel with the ground or water. In all cases on 9/11, each plane struck tangentially with blunt force directly into an immovable object at full thrust literally exploding the plane into an instant bomb of shrapnel and dust.

 

[Robert W]

I get sick of arguing baseless conspiracy theories year in and year out with people with absolutely no facts nor understanding of the science. Some people just naturally are attracted to any conspiracy theory at all, one person here goes with any conspiracy theory on anything every time; I guess the less you know and understand, the more this crap appeals to some people. Must be terrible living thinking there is some dark, hidden, scurrilous secret behind every event in life, thinking that every official, documented story is a total lie. Some people might say that is a sign of organic brain damage.

I've read the entire 911 report, I've viewed maybe 20 hours of detailed analysis of everything involved, the jets, the buildings, the people, and I've even looked at all of the conspiracies. None of them hold water to careful evaluation.

It is not that we think men are perfect and not able to damage things like airliners or buildings. We know they can do it. Take the Arabs flying the 4 airliners. The Conspiracy is they had no pilot training at all. But they did have pilot training. Some assume flying a large airliner is a skill that is very hard to acquire. But the skills of the Arabs did not have to be good enough to excellently pilot commercial airliners, since all they did was handle some few controls of airplanes already up and flying. They never took them off. They did not have skills to land them. All they needed was elements of flying pilots learn in maybe 25 hours of training. We learned fast as pilots we had to learn to use throttles. We had to use our feet to manage the rudder. While we all trained early on to fly small planes, even major airline pilots learned to fly small airplanes, Once you learned the nature of aircraft controls, understood flight instruments, merely to handle a flying airplane with dead pilots on it, and your goal was to destroy the airplane, it took little mastery of being a pilot to crash airplanes.

 

[Robert W]

Airplanes are little more than empty, pressurize sausages. To maintain structural integrity, they rely on the fuselage being 100% intact. I used to watch a TV documentary series called 'Mayday Air Disasters' and each is a careful analysis on some air disaster. In every case, if a plane loses integrity in most any part of it, develops a crack between two panels, loses a hatch door, anything, it is usually curtains for that plane and it cannot remain airborne and often, they even break apart in the air even before they crash. That is why bombs are so effective, even a small bomb under a seat blowing a hole in just one part of the plane is often enough to doom the entire flight.


Usually, most planes crashing are still at least guided in with someone /trying/ to land them gentle as possible parallel with the ground or water. In all cases on 9/11, each plane struck tangentially with blunt force directly into an immovable object at full thrust literally exploding the plane into an instant bomb of shrapnel and dust.

The truth is we pilots get it. But those who drive cars are not trained to fly and have wild ideas as to things we trained to be pilots think is funny how they have wild ideas. I have never driven a large diesel truck, so when a truck driver tells me things, I think he knows and it does not hurt me to trust he does know. I have no time at all flying commercial jets. But I know what training those pilots have. They started out flying planes like Pipers or Cessna planes. Or those similar to those two. I soloed in under 10 hours. I transitioned from driving a car, yes at times race cars, to taking off, flying successfully and landing the airplane where the instructor announced I now could entirely fly all by myself to practice flying skills. When I got my license, I was trained so well it included mountain flying. This skill is not understood by car drivers. But we had to land at high altitude airports on very hot days. The turbulence can scare the hell out of passengers and even some pilots in training. Skilled pilots who operate at high altitude airports have to master some flying skills, that to be frank can get non trained in mountains people very scared to do.

Anyway, I most enjoy actual pilots or those who think the way you think to dialogue with.

 

[Robert W]

Airplanes are little more than empty, pressurize sausages.

Commercial and also Jet airplanes are that way. Small planes are not usually pressurized.

I have time in this airplane for instance.

 

[toobfreak]

Commercial and also Jet airplanes are that way. Small planes are not usually pressurized.

The service ceiling says it all: 13,000 feet. A plane might possibly flight up as high as maybe 18,000 feet temporarily without pressurization, but higher or longer than that and people inside could begin losing consciousness from lack of oxygen.

Look at Mt. Everest: the last few thousand feet to the top (21,000 feet) is called the dead zone and most people need bottled oxygen to make it to the top from the last base camp.

 

[Robert W]

The service ceiling says it all: 13,000 feet. A plane might possibly flight up as high as maybe 18,000 feet temporarily without pressurization, but higher or longer than that and people inside could begin losing consciousness from lack of oxygen.

Look at Mt. Everest: the last few thousand feet to the top (21,000 feet) is called the dead zone and most people need bottled oxygen to make it to the top from the last base camp.

FAA rules

 

[The Irish Ram]

Ya'll, Jet Air Liners do not disintegrate upon impacting buildings such as the Pentagon, nor when crashing in to the ground

Where did the people go? Where are the passengers and crews on the planes? Were they all in on it? If the plane didn't hit a building, or drill itself into the ground, then where are the people that boarded the planes? They disappeared. Where are they?

 

[Robert W]

Where did the people go? Where are the passengers and crews on the planes? Were they all in on it? If the plane didn't hit a building, or drill itself into the ground, then where are the people that boarded the planes? They disappeared. Where are they?

I get sick and tired of conspiracy theorists dreaming up wild ideas. I see you hate it as well.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I get sick and tired of conspiracy theorists dreaming up wild ideas. I see you hate it as well.

My brother-in-law flies for United. He spent a month going to memorials. Not one of his friends has resurfaced...

 

[wist43]

Per your story, a vast conspiracy is still operating. What did the Democrats do about this conspiracy?

Why are you bogged down in Democrat vs Republican?? Forget about Dem v Rep, and just focus on the information.

I don't agree with Tarpley on anything else, and I don't agree with some of this presentation, but the general information on false flags is entirely correct.

Sans the second Trump Administration, in the intelligence-defense industry, there is really no difference.

Same offense... one calls more running plays, the other calls more passing plays - same team, and that team does not act for the good of the U.S. They are loyal to the Globalist cabal that sits above our government.

There's no difference between Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski, and so on.

Trump is different though, and his administration is different, but there is still a very deep bench of globalist traitors within our government.

Trump does represent a very serious threat to the Establishment, whereas Bush was a front man for the Establishment.

 

[wist43]

I get sick and tired of conspiracy theorists dreaming up wild ideas. I see you hate it as well.

My brother-in-law flies for United. He spent a month going to memorials. Not one of his friends has resurfaced...

Guys, we're talking about the Military Industrial Complex - you think they care about 2,000 people??

Robert, that is why I wanted you to familiarize yourself with Gladio. Hundreds, for sure, thousands more likely, deliberately murdered in Europe by our intelligence services.

That interview with the father with the hole in his throat - his children blown to pieces. His daughter speaking to him as she died. I can't bring myself to watch that part again because it breaks my heart.

That was our CIA that deliberately killed those kids!! Killed all of those people using false flag terrorism.

You think they're above murdering 2000 people?? Stop watching the MSM propaganda, and start doing some investigation on your own. Form your own opinion, don't let the Establishment tell you what to think.

 

[Robert W]

Trump does represent a very serious threat to the Establishment, whereas Bush was a front man for the Establishment.

I believe Bush gets a bad rap over Iraq and Afghanistan. I also understand that he did very well in both wars. I really don't understand why you go after him. What names can you supply of this international cabal? Please don't tell me to watch hours of video. This is your issue and you must know a lot here that you can personally explain.

 

[Robert W]

Guys, we're talking about the Military Industrial Complex - you think they care about 2,000 people??

Robert, that is why I wanted you to familiarize yourself with Gladio. Hundreds, for sure, thousands more likely, deliberately murdered in Europe by our intelligence services.

That interview with the father with the hole in his throat - his children blown to pieces. His daughter speaking to him as she died. I can't bring myself to watch that part again because it breaks my heart.

That was our CIA that deliberately killed those kids!! Killed all of those people using false flag terrorism.

You think they're above murdering 2000 people?? Stop watching the MSM propaganda, and start doing some investigation on your own. Form your own opinion, don't let the Establishment tell you what to think.

Who is the establishment, as you define this group? Give me names. What firms are you naming? I will listen to serious honest dialogue. Now you send me chasing to gladio. Fine, can you recall the video site? Can you show it on youtube?

 

[Robert W]

My brother-in-law flies for United. He spent a month going to memorials. Not one of his friends has resurfaced...

I am not a commercial pilot but part of my training, thanks to my great instructor, had me flying on instruments. He did it to cause me to trust the airplane instruments over my senses and even at times vision elements. I am not clear that it was required by FAA but it was very valuable. Kennedy for instance crashed into the ocean some years ago. I realized immediately how it happened. I was trained on spatial disorientation. I was schooled on dealing with engine failure issues. Landing where there was no airport. I had very good instruction. Yes, those crashes spurred an industry of conspiracy theories.

What is good however is when the Crash in the Hudson River happened, it never attracted the looney crowd. The crash never got blamed on Bin Laden and was not caused by some global cabal according to the theories spread around.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I believe Bush gets a bad rap over Iraq and Afghanistan. I also understand that he did very well in both wars. I really don't understand why you go after him. What names can you supply of this international cabal? Please don't tell me to watch hours of video. This is your issue and you must know a lot here that you can personally explain.

The Bushes are NWO to the bone.