The liberal march towards EXTREME fascism

[marvin martian]

Good time to resurrect this thread now that Joe Biden has come out as a full fascist.

 

[Rigby5]

They aren’t even trying to hide it anymore. Literally embracing every policy of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

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I am extreme liberal progressive, and censorship of any kind has to be illegal unless a court has proven it to be harmful to someone.
The only way to allow truth to win is for all views to be possible to hear and see.

 

[Rigby5]

Both Fascism and communism and even socialism are all different flavors of collectivism

That is, a top heavy controlling government. And really the only difference between the Nazi regime and Stalinist regime was, Hitler knew it was better to let the experts run industry, so he did not remove them and take them over in name, but he did control them just as if he had. Hitler said why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people? This is the approach Progressives have taken in the US today.

The big lie is that the Nazi regime, the name meaning National Socialists, are comparable to conservatives when they are the kissing cousins of socialists of today.

That is a total misunderstanding.
Fascism is a sort of collectivism, but one of only the wealthy elite.
It was coined by the ancient Romans, to be symbolic of the union of the aristocracy, military, and priesthood.
It is not at all populist or socialist.
Fascism is an autocratic oligarchy.

Government does not control in fascism, the wealthy elite do, and they use government.

 

[Rigby5]

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants.

Totally and completely wrong.
At no time did Hitler ever have any say over production, prices, income, wages, rates, etc.
Everything actually was run by the wealthy elite, and they told Hitler what to do.
Hitler was merely a figure head, and everything was ultra capitalist, where the wealthy were making huge profits, even as Berlin was being totally destroyed by air raids.
If Hitler had shown even the remotest sign of independence or socialist ideas, the military would have immediately assassinated him,

 

[Rigby5]

He did the same with Nazis as he murdered high ranking leaders in the Nazi party

I think you will find Hitler was a power hungry murderer who hated pretty much anyone who got in his way.

Wrong.
The Nazi party was heavily controlled by the military, so was way above Hitler.
Hitler had no control over anything and was just a puppet the wealthy knew they needed as a fall guy.

 

[Rigby5]

The goal of socialism is never socialism just like the goal of communism in the USSR was never to have Stalin be equals with the average citizen.

The reason socialism/communism, is so attractive to tyrants is because in order to even attempt to set up a system where every financial transaction is not only monitored, but then have the funds redistributed, the amount of control and surveillance needed is extraordinary.

It's all a ruse to implement such control.

Not at all. The IRS easily monitors all financial transactions and then demands a partial redistribution of funds.
With socialism it would be easier because then the bookkeepers could already be government employees, but it does not matter that much.

 

[Rigby5]

They were socialists, moron. You just admitted it.

Sorry, but the Fascists were anti-socialists.
Hitler did not start the National Socialists, Ernst Roehm did.
And he was an extreme right wing veteran.

{...
Ernst Röhm was born in Munich,
...
Although the family had no military tradition, Röhm entered the Royal Bavarian 10th Infantry Regiment Prinz Ludwig at Ingolstadt as a cadet on 23 July 1906 and was commissioned on 12 March 1908.[2][3] At the outbreak of World War I in August 1914, he was adjutant of the 1st Battalion, 10th Infantry Regiment König. The following month, he was seriously wounded in the face at Chanot Wood in Lorraine and carried the scars for the rest of his life.[4] He was promoted to first lieutenant (Oberleutnant) in April 1915.[5] During an attack on the fortification at Thiaumont, Verdun, on 23 June 1916, he sustained a serious chest wound and spent the remainder of the war in France and Romania as a staff officer.[6] He was awarded the Iron Cross First Class before being wounded at Verdun, and was promoted to captain (Hauptmann) in April 1917.[7][8] Among his comrades, Röhm was considered a "fanatical, simple-minded swashbuckler" who frequently displayed contempt for danger.[9]...

Following the Armistice of 11 November 1918 that ended the war, Röhm continued his military career as a captain in the Reichswehr.[9] He was one of the senior members in Colonel von Epp's Bayerisches Freikorps für den Grenzschutz Ost ("Bavarian Free Corps for Border Patrol East"), formed in Ohrdruf in April 1919, which finally overturned the Munich Soviet Republic by force of arms on 3 May 1919. In 1919 he joined the German Workers' Party (DAP), which the following year became the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP).[11] Not long afterward he met Adolf Hitler, and they became political allies and close friends.[12] Röhm resigned or retired from the Reichswehr on 26 September 1923.[11] Throughout the early 1920s, Röhm remained an important intermediary between Germany's right-wing paramilitary organizations and the Reichswehr.[13] Additionally, it was Röhm who persuaded his former army commander, Colonel von Epp, to join the Nazis, an important development since Epp helped raise the sixty-thousand marks needed to purchase the Nazi periodical, the Völkischer Beobachter.[14]

When the Nazi Party held its "German Day" celebration at Nuremberg during early September 1923, it was Röhm who helped bring together some 100,000 participants drawn from right-wing militant groups, veteran's associations, and other paramilitary formations—which included the Bund Oberland, Reichskriegsflagge, the SA, and the Kampfbund
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In April 1924, Röhm became a Reichstag deputy for the völkisch (racial-national) National Socialist Freedom Party.[26] He made only one speech, urging the release of Lieutenant Colonel Kriebel. The seats won by his party were much reduced in the December 1924 election, and his name was too far down the list to return him to the Reichstag. While Hitler was in prison, Röhm helped to create the Frontbann as a legal alternative to the then-outlawed Sturmabteilung (SA). Hitler did not fully support the ambitious plans that Röhm had for this organization, which proved problematic. Hitler was distrustful of these paramilitary organizations because competing groups like the Bund Wiking, the Bund Bayern und Reich, and the Blücherbund were all vying for membership and he realized from the failed putsch that these groups could not be legitimized so long as the police and Reichwehr stayed loyal to the government.[26] When in April 1925 Hitler and Ludendorff disapproved of the proposals under which Röhm was prepared to integrate the 30,000-strong Frontbann into the SA, Röhm resigned from all political groups and military brigades on 1 May 1925. He felt great contempt for the "legalistic" path the party leaders wanted to follow and sought seclusion from public life.[11] In 1928, he accepted a post in Bolivia as adviser to the Bolivian Army, where he was given the rank of lieutenant colonel. In the autumn of 1930, Röhm received a telephone call from Hitler requesting his return to Germany.[11]

Sturmabteilung leader​

Röhm and the SA regarded themselves as the vanguard of the "National Socialist revolution". After Hitler's national takeover they expected radical changes in Germany, including power and rewards for themselves, unaware that, as Chancellor, Hitler no longer needed their street-fighting capabilities.[37] Nevertheless, Hitler did name Röhm to the cabinet as a minister without portfolio.[38] Also, on 2 June 1933 Hitler named Röhm a Reichsleiter, the second highest political rank in the Nazi Party.[39]

Röhm and the SA regarded themselves as the vanguard of the "National Socialist revolution". After Hitler's national takeover they expected radical changes in Germany, including power and rewards for themselves, unaware that, as Chancellor, Hitler no longer needed their street-fighting capabilities.[37] Nevertheless, Hitler did name Röhm to the cabinet as a minister without portfolio.[38] Also, on 2 June 1933 Hitler named Röhm a Reichsleiter, the second highest political rank in the Nazi Party.[39]

Along with other members of the more radical faction within the Nazi Party, Röhm advocated a "second revolution" that was overtly anti-capitalist in its general disposition.[40] These radicals rejected exploitative capitalism and they intended to take steps to curb monopolies and promoted the nationalization of land and industry.[40] Such plans were threatening to the business community in general, and to Hitler's corporate financial backers in particular—including many German industrial leaders he would rely upon for arms production. In order to keep from alienating them, Hitler swiftly reassured his powerful industrial allies that there would be no such revolution as espoused by these Party radicals.[41]

Many SA "storm troopers" had working-class origins and longed for a radical transformation of German society.[42] They were disappointed by the new regime's lack of socialistic direction and its failure to provide the lavish patronage they had expected.[43] Furthermore, Röhm and his SA colleagues thought of their force as the core of the future German Army, and saw themselves as replacing the Reichswehr and its established professional officer corps.[44] By then, the SA had swollen to over three million men, dwarfing the Reichswehr, which was limited to 100,000 men by the Treaty of Versailles. Although Röhm had been a member of the officer corps, he viewed them as "old fogies" who lacked "revolutionary spirit". He believed that the Reichswehr should be merged into the SA to form a true "people's army" under his command, a pronouncement that caused significant consternation within the army's hierarchy and convinced them that the SA was a serious threat.[45] At a February 1934 cabinet meeting, Röhm then demanded that the merger be made, under his leadership as Minister of Defence.[46]

This horrified the army, with its traditions going back to Frederick the Great. The army officer corps viewed the SA as an "undisciplined mob" of "brawling" street thugs, and was also concerned by the pervasiveness of "corrupt morals" within the ranks of the SA. Reports of a huge cache of weapons in the hands of SA members caused additional concern to the army leadership.[46] Unsurprisingly, the officer corps opposed Röhm's proposal. They insisted that discipline and honor would vanish if the SA gained control, but Röhm and the SA would settle for nothing less. In addition the army leadership was eager to co-operate with Hitler given his plan of re-armament and expansion of the established professional military forces.[44]

In February 1934, Hitler told British diplomat Anthony Eden of his plan to reduce the SA by two-thirds. That same month, Hitler announced that the SA would be left with only a few minor military functions. Röhm responded with complaints, and began expanding the armed elements of the SA. Speculation that the SA was planning a coup against Hitler became widespread in Berlin. In March, Röhm offered a compromise in which "only" a few thousand SA leaders would be taken into the army, but the army promptly rejected that idea.[47]

On 11 April 1934, Hitler met with German military leaders on the ship Deutschland. By that time, he knew President Paul von Hindenburg would likely die before the end of the year. Hitler informed the army hierarchy of Hindenburg's declining health and proposed that the Reichswehr support him as Hindenburg's successor. In exchange, he offered to reduce the SA, suppress Röhm's ambitions, and guarantee the Reichswehr would be Germany's only military force. According to war correspondent William L. Shirer, Hitler also promised to expand the army and navy.[48]

Although determined to curb the power of the SA, Hitler put off doing away with his long-time ally. A political struggle within the party grew, with those closest to Hitler, including Prussian premier Hermann Göring, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, positioning themselves against Röhm. To isolate Röhm, on 20 April 1934, Göring transferred control of the Prussian political police (Gestapo) to Himmler, who he believed could be counted on to move against Röhm.[49]
...
In preparation for the purge known as the Night of the Long Knives, both Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich, chief of the SS Security Service, assembled a dossier of manufactured evidence to suggest that Röhm had been paid 12 million Reichsmarks (equivalent to €52 million 2017) by the government of France to overthrow Hitler. Leading officers in the SS were shown falsified evidence on 24 June that Röhm planned to use the SA to launch a plot against the government (Röhm-Putsch).[52] At Hitler's direction, Göring, Himmler, Heydrich, and Victor Lutze drew up lists of people in and outside the SA to be killed. One of the men Göring recruited to assist him was Willi Lehmann, a Gestapo official and NKVD spy. On 25 June, General Werner von Fritsch placed the Reichswehr on the highest level of alert.[53] On 27 June, Hitler moved to secure the army's cooperation.[54] Blomberg and General Walther von Reichenau, the army's liaison to the party, gave it to him by expelling Röhm from the German Officers' League.[55] On 28 June, Hitler went to Essen to attend a wedding celebration and reception; from there he called Röhm's adjutant at Bad Wiessee and ordered SA leaders to meet with him on 30 June at 11:00 a.m.[51] On 29 June, a signed article in Völkischer Beobachter by Blomberg appeared in which Blomberg stated with great fervour that the Reichswehr stood behind Hitler.[56]

On 30 June 1934, Hitler and a large group of SS and regular police flew to Munich and arrived between 06:00 and 07:00 at Hanselbauer Hotel in Bad Wiessee, where Röhm and his followers were staying.[57] With Hitler's early arrival, the SA leadership, still in bed, were taken by surprise. SS men stormed the hotel and Hitler personally placed Röhm and other high-ranking SA leaders under arrest. According to Erich Kempka, Hitler turned Röhm over to "two detectives holding pistols with the safety catch off". The SS found Breslau SA leader Edmund Heines in bed with an unidentified eighteen-year-old male SA senior troop leader.[58] Goebbels emphasised this aspect in subsequent propaganda, justifying the purge as a crackdown on moral turpitude.[59] Kempka said in a 1946 interview that Hitler ordered both Heines and his partner taken outside of the hotel and shot.[60] Meanwhile, the SS arrested the other SA leaders as they left their train for the planned meeting with Röhm and Hitler.[61]

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Ernst Röhm - Wikipedia

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[P@triot]

The Nazis were Fascists.. They split with the Socialists in 1926 and by 1933 purged the government of Socialists, Communists, Democrats and Jews.

Fascism is embraced by hard right conservatives.

Right. The Nazis were fascists. Nazi was short for "National Socialists". They did not "purge" the government of socialists or communists because that's exactly what they were (and only the uneducated doesn't know that).

Thanks for playing sweetie!

 

[P@triot]

Both Fascism and communism and even socialism are all different flavors of collectivism

Thank you! Bingo! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! All of them are "totalitarianism" (ie left-wing)

 

[surada]

@CrusaderFrank

Right. The Nazis were fascists. Nazi was short for "National Socialists". They did not "purge" the government of socialists or communists because that's exactly what they were (and only the uneducated doesn't know that).

Thanks for playing sweetie!

Yes they did purge the German government of Socialists, Communists, Democrats and Jews in 1933.. They used the Enabling Act to do it and they put them in the newly completed Dachau. You're a Trumpie.. You have no education.

 

[P@triot]

You can't be both a "Nazi" and a "commie"

Bwahahaha!! Dragonlady gets funnier every time she posts.

Her IQ is limited to "Nazi turn on commie (U.S.S.R.) during WWII so...Nazi must not like commie"?

Bwahahaha! How many times do I have to direct you to "The Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich Hayek? Held PhD's in law, economics, and political science, lived through WWII in Europe, and outlined over and over that fascism and communism are two sides of the exact same totalitarian coin.

The further right you go, government gets smaller and weaker. Does that sound like Adolf Hitler and the Nazi government to you?

 

[P@triot]

Yes they did purge the German government of Socialists, Communists, Democrats and Jews in 1933.. They used the Enabling Act to do it and they put them in the newly completed Dachau. You're a Trumpie.. You have no education.

Sweetie...you're an "Obamanation" with 0 education. Nazi stood for "National Socialists".

 

[surada]

Bwahahaha!! Dragonlady gets funnier every time she posts.

Her IQ is limited to "Nazi turn on commie (U.S.S.R.) during WWII so...Nazi must not like commie"?

Bwahahaha! How many times do I have to direct you to "The Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich Hayek? Held PhD's in law, economics, and political science, lived through WWII in Europe, and outlined over and over that fascism and communism are two sides of the exact same totalitarian coin.

The further right you go, government gets smaller and weaker. Does that sound like Adolf Hitler and the Nazi government to you?

You probably should reread Hayek. Hitler broke with the Socialists in 1926 and sucked up to the industrialists.. providing them with free labor AKA Jews.

 

[P@triot]

Fascism is by definition a RIGHT wing authoritarian movement.

Please explain to the class how you can have "right-wing authoritarianism" when government gets smaller and weaker the further right you go.

The Tea Party is to the right of the Republican Party. Libertarians are to the right of the Tea Party. Sovereign Citizens are to the right of Libertarians. Each one believing in less and less government until government has no power at all - none (the Sovereign Citizen).

And then, somehow, in your infinite ignorant wisdom, you believe that fascism is to the right of the Sovereign Citizen?

Come on Dragonlady: explain it to the board. We're all listening. How can fascism be to the right of libertarians? If you don't explain, you expose yourself as a fraud and lose ALL credibility.

 

[surada]

Sweetie...you're an "Obamanation" with 0 education. Nazi stood for "National Socialists".

Yes.. That's how Hitler got his foot in the door.. Mussolini used the same tactic. Mussolini was embraced by hardline conservative Italians.

Hitler put socialists, communists, Democrats and Jews in prison via the Enabling Act of 1933.

 

[P@triot]

You probably should reread Hayek. Hitler broke with the Socialists in 1926 and sucked up to the industrialists.. providing them with free labor AKA Jews.

And almost all industries were nationalized, sweetie. Oops!!

 

[P@triot]

Hitler put socialists, communists, Democrats and Jews in prison via the Enabling Act of 1933.

Hitler also killed anyone who wasn't blonde-haired and blue-eyed (believing that was the superior race), and yet he was black-haired and brown-eyed.

Just like he was SOCIALIST.

 

[surada]

Please explain to the class how you can have "right-wing authoritarianism" when government gets smaller and weaker the further right you go.

The Tea Party is to the right of the Republican Party. Libertarians are to the right of the Tea Party. Sovereign Citizens are to the right of Libertarians. Each one believing in less and less government until government has no power at all - none (the Sovereign Citizen).

And then, somehow, in your infinite ignorant wisdom, you believe that fascism is to the right of the Sovereign Citizen?

Come on Dragonlady: explain it to the board. We're all listening. How can fascism be to the right of libertarians? If you don't explain, you expose yourself as a fraud and lose ALL credibility.

Your education is VERY shallow. Start over. This is so typical of the Trumpies. Dumb as shit.

 

[P@triot]

You probably should reread Hayek.

You should probably read it once to begin with - because he outlines how fasicsm and communism are the exact same left-wing ideology.