The liberal march towards EXTREME fascism

It's a cute left-wing propaganda campaign. Doesn't change the fact that fascism is the polar opposite of right-wing extremism. Would you like to try again? Let me guess - you need me to explain the basic political spectrum for you?

It's not. It is exactly as he said. The problem is you like to.link it to drmocrats for propaganda purposes.
Do some research into history. You know nothing
 
They aren’t even trying to hide it anymore. Literally embracing every policy of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

Well aren't you the hysterical idiot. There is nothing dummer than a fool screaming "NAZIS" at every turn. Especially since you also keep screaming "commies" every day. You can't be both a "Nazi" and a "commie"

I don't recall Hitler having to deal with a worldwide pandemic that was killing 2000 Germans every single day.

I don't recall another worldwide crisis where forces which want to see the US government destroyed were allowed to spread lies and misinformation designed to undermine the American government's response to this crisis.

You're not promoting "freedom" in the USA, you're promoting death, chaos and the destruction of the US government. You want to see the USA destroyed. You're not a "patriot" at all. You're hiding your hatred of the USA behind your name.
 
It's not. It is exactly as he said. The problem is you like to.link it to drmocrats for propaganda purposes.
Do some research into history. You know nothing
Let's see, research history

1. Nazi regime was the first to implement gun control


2. Nazi regime was obsessed with preserving the environment.


3. They were fixated on animal rights.



4. They hated capitalism. Nazi capitalism is a myth. They were socialists


I came across a clever tweet recently claiming that people who say ”The Nazis were socialists, it’s in the name!” must be ”very confused by buffalo wings.” It is now the conventional wisdom that the Nazis were capitalists, not socialists, despite their misleading name “The National Socialist German Workers Party.” Anybody with a college degree knows they were capitalistic, if not in name, then at least in principle.

Of course, this is all nonsense. But the question does arise, where did this myth come from? Mises, in fact, answered this question in 1951 in his essay “Planned Chaos.”

During the nineteenth century, when socialism was becoming fashionable in Europe, there was no distinction between “socialism” and “communism.” There were different forms of socialism, of course, but these were not distinguished by the different terms. Different thinkers had their preference, but the terms were used interchangeably, even by Karl Marx. Mises writes, ”In 1875, in his Criticism of the Gotha Programme of the German Social Democratic Party, Marx distinguished between a lower (earlier) and a higher (later) phase of the future communist society. But he did not reserve the name of communism to the higher phase, and did not call the lower phase socialism as differentiated from communism.”

According to Marx’s theory of history, socialism was an inevitability. According to his deterministic outlook, every country was destined to progress from a feudalist society, to a capitalist, and finally to a socialist society. To Marx, this progression was inevitable.

In Germany, the first purveyors of “State socialism” emerged shortly prior to Marx. Johann Karl Rodbertus, like Marx, rejected many of the existing socialist theories as untenable. Rodbertus was the first socialist thinker to advocate the control of both production and distribution, and to achieve this, the socialist must use the State. The greatest expositor of his ideas was Ferdinand Lassalle, whose proselytizing led to the rapid growth in popularity of what Mises would call “socialism of the German pattern.”

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

But the Soviets themselves also played a part in the crafting of the myth of the Nazi capitalist. The Nazis were not trying to hide their socialism (after all, snarky tweets aside, socialism was in the name); they were just implementing socialism according to a different strategy than that of the Marxist socialists.

The Soviets were able to brand the Nazis as capitalists only because they had already started redefining the terms “socialism” and “communism” to fit their own political agenda. In 1912, Lenin formed his Communist Party. The members of his party, the Bolsheviks, were now distinct from the other, rival groups of socialists. The terms “communism” and “socialism” were still able to be used interchangeably, and the Soviet Union itself was just a shorthand name for the “United Soviet Socialist Republics.” But by branding his group under the title of the “Communist Party,” the title “Communist” — now meaning a member of Lenin’s party — became a way of saying that this was a “true socialist,” so to speak.

“It was only in 1928,” Mises explains, “that the programme of the Communist International ... began to differentiate between communism and socialism (and not merely between communist and socialist).” This new doctrine held that, in the Marxian framework, there was another stage of development between capitalism and communism. That stage, of course, was socialism, and it was the stage that the Soviet Union was in.

In his original theory, Marx made a distinction between early- and late-stage communism, where true equality would be reached only in the final stage of communism, after the State had successfully followed all of his prescriptions and humans had evolved beyond their “class consciousness.” In the new doctrine, “socialism” simply referred to Marx’s early-stage communism, while true communism — Marx’s late-stage communism — would not be achieved until the whole world was communist. Thus, the Soviet Union was merely socialist, and the party members were Communists because they were the enlightened few who were working toward the ultimate goal of communism.

But the Nazis still claimed to be socialist and, in fact, were acting quite a bit like socialists with their heavy-handed economic interventions. However, there was still economic inequality among the citizens of Nazi Germany (just as there was in the Soviet Union, but that didn’t matter to the narrative). Furthermore, as Mises pointed out in his analysis of socialism of the German pattern, the Nazis retained some of the legal language of a capitalist society. Specifically, there was still the superficial existence of nominal property ownership.

When the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin and his lackeys used the new communist narrative to redefine Nazi Socialism — which was never Marxism but was based on the theories of the original German socialists who directly influenced Marx’s later ideas — as “capitalists.” According to this new narrative, the Nazis were in the final and worst stage of capitalism.

At a time when many members of the European intelligentsia were still enamored with the Soviet Union, this narrative of the Nazis as capitalists was a welcome lie. But this idea is one that comes not from any grounding in economic principles, but rather the Soviet interpretation of the Marxian framework. The Nazis, who touted their socialism proudly and implemented socialist policies with great consistency, were now being referred to as capitalists for no reason other than they did not fit cleanly into the Soviet-Marxist worldview, and this false narrative survives today.
 
Fascists do not like it when a free press accurately reports an event. They will always shut it down, cover it up, and replace it with propaganda.

The "Epoch Times" isn't the "free press". The Epoch Times is owned by Chinese interests which always means the Chinese government and is pushing lies and disinformation to fools like you. "The Epoch Times is founded by John Tang and a group of Chinese-American Falun Gong practitioners."

The Epoch Times is an international, multi-language news media company in print and online. The Epoch Times first published in New York in April 2000 (in Chinese only) and the online edition in August 2000. In 2003, The Epoch Times launched an online edition in English, which began printing as a newspaper in New York in 2004. The Epoch Times is founded by John Tang and a group of Chinese-American Falun Gong practitioners. The Epoch Times publishes in 21 languages in 35 countries across five continents. Their focus topics include sections for world and national news, op-eds, sports, entertainment, business, arts and culture, travel, and health.

On December 20, 2019, Facebook took down more than 600 accounts connected to The Epoch Times. According to an NBC News report, “The network was called ‘The BL’ and was run by Vietnamese users posing as Americans, using fake photos generated by algorithms to simulate real identities. The Epoch Media group, which pushes a variety of pro-Trump conspiracy theories, spent $9.5 million on ads to spread content through the now-suspended pages and groups.”


The Epoch Times is in the business of deliberately publishing fake news to prop up far right wing dogma. It's propaganda, not fact.
 
Let's see, research history

1. Nazi regime was the first to implement gun control


2. Nazi regime was obsessed with preserving the environment.


3. They were fixated on animal rights.



4. They hated capitalism. Nazi capitalism is a myth. They were socialists


I came across a clever tweet recently claiming that people who say ”The Nazis were socialists, it’s in the name!” must be ”very confused by buffalo wings.” It is now the conventional wisdom that the Nazis were capitalists, not socialists, despite their misleading name “The National Socialist German Workers Party.” Anybody with a college degree knows they were capitalistic, if not in name, then at least in principle.

Of course, this is all nonsense. But the question does arise, where did this myth come from? Mises, in fact, answered this question in 1951 in his essay “Planned Chaos.”

During the nineteenth century, when socialism was becoming fashionable in Europe, there was no distinction between “socialism” and “communism.” There were different forms of socialism, of course, but these were not distinguished by the different terms. Different thinkers had their preference, but the terms were used interchangeably, even by Karl Marx. Mises writes, ”In 1875, in his Criticism of the Gotha Programme of the German Social Democratic Party, Marx distinguished between a lower (earlier) and a higher (later) phase of the future communist society. But he did not reserve the name of communism to the higher phase, and did not call the lower phase socialism as differentiated from communism.”

According to Marx’s theory of history, socialism was an inevitability. According to his deterministic outlook, every country was destined to progress from a feudalist society, to a capitalist, and finally to a socialist society. To Marx, this progression was inevitable.

In Germany, the first purveyors of “State socialism” emerged shortly prior to Marx. Johann Karl Rodbertus, like Marx, rejected many of the existing socialist theories as untenable. Rodbertus was the first socialist thinker to advocate the control of both production and distribution, and to achieve this, the socialist must use the State. The greatest expositor of his ideas was Ferdinand Lassalle, whose proselytizing led to the rapid growth in popularity of what Mises would call “socialism of the German pattern.”

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

But the Soviets themselves also played a part in the crafting of the myth of the Nazi capitalist. The Nazis were not trying to hide their socialism (after all, snarky tweets aside, socialism was in the name); they were just implementing socialism according to a different strategy than that of the Marxist socialists.

The Soviets were able to brand the Nazis as capitalists only because they had already started redefining the terms “socialism” and “communism” to fit their own political agenda. In 1912, Lenin formed his Communist Party. The members of his party, the Bolsheviks, were now distinct from the other, rival groups of socialists. The terms “communism” and “socialism” were still able to be used interchangeably, and the Soviet Union itself was just a shorthand name for the “United Soviet Socialist Republics.” But by branding his group under the title of the “Communist Party,” the title “Communist” — now meaning a member of Lenin’s party — became a way of saying that this was a “true socialist,” so to speak.

“It was only in 1928,” Mises explains, “that the programme of the Communist International ... began to differentiate between communism and socialism (and not merely between communist and socialist).” This new doctrine held that, in the Marxian framework, there was another stage of development between capitalism and communism. That stage, of course, was socialism, and it was the stage that the Soviet Union was in.

In his original theory, Marx made a distinction between early- and late-stage communism, where true equality would be reached only in the final stage of communism, after the State had successfully followed all of his prescriptions and humans had evolved beyond their “class consciousness.” In the new doctrine, “socialism” simply referred to Marx’s early-stage communism, while true communism — Marx’s late-stage communism — would not be achieved until the whole world was communist. Thus, the Soviet Union was merely socialist, and the party members were Communists because they were the enlightened few who were working toward the ultimate goal of communism.

But the Nazis still claimed to be socialist and, in fact, were acting quite a bit like socialists with their heavy-handed economic interventions. However, there was still economic inequality among the citizens of Nazi Germany (just as there was in the Soviet Union, but that didn’t matter to the narrative). Furthermore, as Mises pointed out in his analysis of socialism of the German pattern, the Nazis retained some of the legal language of a capitalist society. Specifically, there was still the superficial existence of nominal property ownership.

When the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin and his lackeys used the new communist narrative to redefine Nazi Socialism — which was never Marxism but was based on the theories of the original German socialists who directly influenced Marx’s later ideas — as “capitalists.” According to this new narrative, the Nazis were in the final and worst stage of capitalism.

At a time when many members of the European intelligentsia were still enamored with the Soviet Union, this narrative of the Nazis as capitalists was a welcome lie. But this idea is one that comes not from any grounding in economic principles, but rather the Soviet interpretation of the Marxian framework. The Nazis, who touted their socialism proudly and implemented socialist policies with great consistency, were now being referred to as capitalists for no reason other than they did not fit cleanly into the Soviet-Marxist worldview, and this false narrative survives today.

Hitler put communists and socialists in Dachau along with Democrats and Jews.
 
Hitler put communists and socialists in Dachau along with Democrats and Jews.
He did the same with Nazis as he murdered high ranking leaders in the Nazi party

I think you will find Hitler was a power hungry murderer who hated pretty much anyone who got in his way.
 
He did the same with Nazis as he murdered high ranking leaders in the Nazi party

I think you will find Hitler was a power hungry murderer who hated pretty much anyone who got in his way.

Hitler broke with the socialists in 1926. He just used them to get his foot in the door.
 
Hitler broke with the socialists in 1926. He just used them to get his foot in the door.
The goal of socialism is never socialism just like the goal of communism in the USSR was never to have Stalin be equals with the average citizen.

The reason socialism/communism, is so attractive to tyrants is because in order to even attempt to set up a system where every financial transaction is not only monitored, but then have the funds redistributed, the amount of control and surveillance needed is extraordinary.

It's all a ruse to implement such control.
 
He did the same with Nazis as he murdered high ranking leaders in the Nazi party

I think you will find Hitler was a power hungry murderer who hated pretty much anyone who got in his way.

What high ranking leaders of the Nazi Party were sent to concentration camps, or murdered? I've been studying World War II since the 1960's and this is the first I've heard of such a thing. Other than the murders of those involved in the 1944 attempt to kill him at his Wolf's Lair Headquarters (Operation Valkyrie), Hitler was not known for violence against members of his own Party, and all of his top officials were with him from the beginning and remained loyal until 1944, when it was obvious the war was lost and Germany was being destroyed.
 
The goal of socialism is never socialism just like the goal of communism in the USSR was never to have Stalin be equals with the average citizen.

The reason socialism/communism, is so attractive to tyrants is because in order to even attempt to set up a system where every financial transaction is not only monitored, but then have the funds redistributed, the amount of control and surveillance needed is extraordinary.

It's all a ruse to implement such control.

Please, fool, go back and read history. And stop reading it looking for bias confirmation.

Every First World nation in the world is a social democracy, including the USA. The difference between the USA and the rest of the First World's social democracies is that you are the least democratic, and the have the weakest social safety net, and as a result, you have the least successful social democracy in the world.

Being the richest and most powerful country in the world, doesn't make you the "most successful" country in the world. The measure of success of a nation is the quality of life, and the health of it's citizens. The American people are the least healthy in the first world.

The USA is the only country in the first world where life expectancy is declining. Where poverty is increasing, and the middle class is shrinking. All are signs of a country in decline. And because your country is in decline, the entrenched power interests are trying to replace your democracy with an authoritarian dictatorship.

I live in Canada and your lunatic screaming about the evils of "socialism" are laughable. Everything you rail against is what makes Canada the Best Country in the World to Live In, with the fastest growing middle class in the world. Everything you believe in is destroying the American economy and driving the American middle class back into poverty.

The totalitarianism you fear is the root and basis for today's Republican Party. You're cheering for a dictatorship under a whites only Republican Party. I don't think that's going to fly.
 
The left has always been fascist in nature (obviously - since fascism is a form of government oppression). But in the past few years, the left has made a rapid march towards extreme fascism.

They engage in massive speech control campaigns. If Donald Trump attempts to hold a political rally - they riot (costing a fortune in damage to public and private property). If someone attempts to merely attend a Donald Trump political rally, the left engages in violent assaults. Fascism.

They engage in massive thought control campaigns. If someone wishes to avoid homosexual acts or homosexual celebrations (whether it be for religious reasons, comfort reasons, or just plain old hate), the left attempts to turn that into a crime and advocates for the government to place a gun to the head of those individuals and force them to take part in the homosexual activities. And of course - they've advocated for and manufactured the comical "hate crime" fallacy. Fascism.

This story here is a remarkable indication of the left's embrace of extreme fascism. It revolves around the "Soldiers of Odin". A group rightfully concerned with radical islam. And yet despite being peaceful while liberals engage in violent assaults, the left wants to label these individuals as a "hate" group. So what happened when this group deployed members to a mosque in Denver? Did they brutally attack and bloody muslims like liberals do? Nope. Quite the contrary - the imam of the mosque invited the group in to sit down and talk. They had a peaceful and cordial interaction?

This "incident" is literally the shining example of America at its finest. Concerned citizens form a group of their own free will. The muslims not only continue to engage in their right to religious freedom - but they invite the concerned group into their mosque to see for themselves and to engage in dialect. Everything America was built on and intended to be. And yet the left is angry about this - desperate to falsely label the group a "hate" group and to eliminate them.

A Growing Vigilante Group Is Targeting U.S. Mosques
Oh my, we are getting Fascism — NOT!
You obviously don’t know what Fascism was/is. Texas Republicans are Fascists. The Taliban are Fascists. Putin has become Fascist.
 
The Nazis were Fascists.. They split with the Socialists in 1926 and by 1933 purged the government of Socialists, Communists, Democrats and Jews.

Fascism is embraced by hard right conservatives.
They were socialists, moron. You just admitted it.
 
Please, fool, go back and read history. And stop reading it looking for bias confirmation.

Every First World nation in the world is a social democracy, including the USA. The difference between the USA and the rest of the First World's social democracies is that you are the least democratic, and the have the weakest social safety net, and as a result, you have the least successful social democracy in the world.

Being the richest and most powerful country in the world, doesn't make you the "most successful" country in the world. The measure of success of a nation is the quality of life, and the health of it's citizens. The American people are the least healthy in the first world.

The USA is the only country in the first world where life expectancy is declining. Where poverty is increasing, and the middle class is shrinking. All are signs of a country in decline. And because your country is in decline, the entrenched power interests are trying to replace your democracy with an authoritarian dictatorship.

I live in Canada and your lunatic screaming about the evils of "socialism" are laughable. Everything you rail against is what makes Canada the Best Country in the World to Live In, with the fastest growing middle class in the world. Everything you believe in is destroying the American economy and driving the American middle class back into poverty.

The totalitarianism you fear is the root and basis for today's Republican Party. You're cheering for a dictatorship under a whites only Republican Party. I don't think that's going to fly.
I could not have said it better.
Most Trump supporters like the “America First” mantra because they are ignorant and rarely travel internationally. They are more likely not to be educated ... or are plain simple-minded.
 
I could not have said it better.
Most Trump supporters like the “America First” mantra because they are ignorant and rarely travel internationally. They are more likely not to be educated ... or are plain simple-minded.
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They were socialists, moron. You just admitted it.

No they weren't. They hated socialism and communism, and all it stood for. Fascism is by definition a RIGHT wing authoritarian movement. Hitler was neither a socialist nor a communist, but he retained the word "Socialist" in the party name in the same way that Trump's fascist authoritarian party has retained the name "Republican" in it's name.

Trump's fascist party is in no way a conservative constitutional party since it seeks to replace the Constitutional government with a whites only dictatorship, with Trump appointed as President for life.
 
The "Epoch Times" isn't the "free press". The Epoch Times is owned by Chinese interests which always means the Chinese government and is pushing lies and disinformation to fools like you. "The Epoch Times is founded by John Tang and a group of Chinese-American Falun Gong practitioners."




The Epoch Times is in the business of deliberately publishing fake news to prop up far right wing dogma. It's propaganda, not fact.
There are German underpinnings to Chinese thought. Thus, the Goethe Reading Room in Pyongyang.
 

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