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"13. .... in an NPR story last year: Even the lowest-paid immigrants scrape up enough money for tutoring, because those high schools are seen as the ticket to a better life for their children. Thus, one immigrant family featured in the NPR story had spent $5,000 per year, of the parents combined $26,000 income as garment workers, to send their three sons to tutoring.
Their oldest boy, now a student at Stuyvesant, said of his mother, who did not speak English and, like her husband, did not finish high school in China:
Basically, she just worked every day . . . and saved up the money.
The Plot Against Merit by Dennis Saffran, City Journal Summer 2014
You Liberals would be well advised to look to apply the above to your destructive welfare policies.
Recipients should not be held to any less.
You post that as if it's a good thing. Disgusting.
It is a good thing.
It demonstrates that a family CAN do what it needs to do when it wants to.
Heck, when I was broke, I worked 7 days a week....2 jobs PLUS going to the library studying up on how to start a business..(we did not have internet back then).
The first 2 years of my business, I made very little money, but never saw a day off.
I sold it after 5 years....and then started 2 more.
Rags to riches....cause I wanted to.
Read the thread idiot.
No one has claimed test RESULTS being manipulated until you just did. Again, post a link proving your position.
The manipulation occurs when some students can hire professional tutoring schemes to artificially jack up their scores by doing one thing and one thing only -
training the kids on how to take that one specific test.
You post that as if it's a good thing. Disgusting.
It is a good thing.
It demonstrates that a family CAN do what it needs to do when it wants to.
Heck, when I was broke, I worked 7 days a week....2 jobs PLUS going to the library studying up on how to start a business..(we did not have internet back then).
The first 2 years of my business, I made very little money, but never saw a day off.
I sold it after 5 years....and then started 2 more.
Rags to riches....cause I wanted to.
If struggling to survive and suffering the pain and stress and hardship of deprivation and poverty is a good thing,
what's the bad thing at the other end of the spectrum?
A life of privilege and ease and plenty, with little effort to obtain it,
much as in the life PoliticalChic lives????
No one has claimed test RESULTS being manipulated until you just did. Again, post a link proving your position.
The manipulation occurs when some students can hire professional tutoring schemes to artificially jack up their scores by doing one thing and one thing only -
training the kids on how to take that one specific test.
"...some students can hire professional tutoring schemes...."
13. .... in an NPR story last year: Even the lowest-paid immigrants scrape up enough money for tutoring, because those high schools are seen as the ticket to a better life for their children. Thus, one immigrant family featured in the NPR story had spent $5,000 per year, of the parents combined $26,000 income as garment workers, to send their three sons to tutoring.
Their oldest boy, now a student at Stuyvesant, said of his mother, who did not speak English and, like her husband, did not finish high school in China:
Basically, she just worked every day . . . and saved up the money.
The Plot Against Merit by Dennis Saffran, City Journal Summer 2014
Obviously, all students can hire professional tutoring schemes....
You post that as if it's a good thing. Disgusting.
It is a good thing.
It demonstrates that a family CAN do what it needs to do when it wants to.
Heck, when I was broke, I worked 7 days a week....2 jobs PLUS going to the library studying up on how to start a business..(we did not have internet back then).
The first 2 years of my business, I made very little money, but never saw a day off.
I sold it after 5 years....and then started 2 more.
Rags to riches....cause I wanted to.
Nonsense. There is nothing good about an American family with 2 earners making 26,000 a year, in what sounds like a sweatshop scenario,
and on top of that having to spend 20% of their income just to get their kids a decent education.
Nothing.
It is a good thing.
It demonstrates that a family CAN do what it needs to do when it wants to.
Heck, when I was broke, I worked 7 days a week....2 jobs PLUS going to the library studying up on how to start a business..(we did not have internet back then).
The first 2 years of my business, I made very little money, but never saw a day off.
I sold it after 5 years....and then started 2 more.
Rags to riches....cause I wanted to.
If struggling to survive and suffering the pain and stress and hardship of deprivation and poverty is a good thing,
what's the bad thing at the other end of the spectrum?
A life of privilege and ease and plenty, with little effort to obtain it,
much as in the life PoliticalChic lives????
To me, being broke and with no one to lean on was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. It motivated me to do what I had to do.
I am not saying poverty is a good thing. I am saying that the motivation created by having nowhere to turn is priceless....
it opens ones mind to possibilities
It allows one to be more creative
it allows one to apply all of ones talents
it forces one to FIND those talents
It forces one to reach back
Poverty sucks....I experienced it.
But it is what made me who I am today. Retired and barely 55.
The manipulation occurs when some students can hire professional tutoring schemes to artificially jack up their scores by doing one thing and one thing only -
training the kids on how to take that one specific test.
"...some students can hire professional tutoring schemes...."
13. .... in an NPR story last year: Even the lowest-paid immigrants scrape up enough money for tutoring, because those high schools are seen as the ticket to a better life for their children. Thus, one immigrant family featured in the NPR story had spent $5,000 per year, of the parents combined $26,000 income as garment workers, to send their three sons to tutoring.
Their oldest boy, now a student at Stuyvesant, said of his mother, who did not speak English and, like her husband, did not finish high school in China:
Basically, she just worked every day . . . and saved up the money.
The Plot Against Merit by Dennis Saffran, City Journal Summer 2014
Obviously, all students can hire professional tutoring schemes....
No they can't, and why should they have to? It's a public school; your ability to succeed is supposed to be equality of opportunity isn't it?
Isn't public school supposed to offer equal opportunity regardless of one's ability to pay?
If struggling to survive and suffering the pain and stress and hardship of deprivation and poverty is a good thing,
what's the bad thing at the other end of the spectrum?
A life of privilege and ease and plenty, with little effort to obtain it,
much as in the life PoliticalChic lives????
To me, being broke and with no one to lean on was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. It motivated me to do what I had to do.
I am not saying poverty is a good thing. I am saying that the motivation created by having nowhere to turn is priceless....
it opens ones mind to possibilities
It allows one to be more creative
it allows one to apply all of ones talents
it forces one to FIND those talents
It forces one to reach back
Poverty sucks....I experienced it.
But it is what made me who I am today. Retired and barely 55.
Well then taking away all Medicaid and taking away free public education should be one of our first steps in this mission to build character among the poor shouldn't it?
I mean, trying to survive a disease or injury that your parents cannot afford treatment for should be the greatest thing that might ever happen to a child, don't you think?
"...some students can hire professional tutoring schemes...."
13. .... in an NPR story last year: Even the lowest-paid immigrants scrape up enough money for tutoring, because those high schools are seen as the ticket to a better life for their children. Thus, one immigrant family featured in the NPR story had spent $5,000 per year, of the parents combined $26,000 income as garment workers, to send their three sons to tutoring.
Their oldest boy, now a student at Stuyvesant, said of his mother, who did not speak English and, like her husband, did not finish high school in China:
Basically, she just worked every day . . . and saved up the money.
The Plot Against Merit by Dennis Saffran, City Journal Summer 2014
Obviously, all students can hire professional tutoring schemes....
No they can't, and why should they have to? It's a public school; your ability to succeed is supposed to be equality of opportunity isn't it?
Isn't public school supposed to offer equal opportunity regardless of one's ability to pay?
That's another story.
Blame the teachers.
Where I live, they charge between 65 and 90 an hour to tutor. They have permission to tutor as long as they offer 1/2 hour a day after school hours for general extra help. SO by 3:30, most of them are out and tutoring for cash.
So yeah, only the rich get the advantage of tutors.
You blame the rich for that? Not the teachers?
How is that SHSAT test results manipulated link search coming NYC? No luck on my search.
How is that SHSAT test results manipulated link search coming NYC? No luck on my search.
How is that SHSAT test results manipulated link search coming NYC? No luck on my search.
No they can't, and why should they have to? It's a public school; your ability to succeed is supposed to be equality of opportunity isn't it?
Isn't public school supposed to offer equal opportunity regardless of one's ability to pay?
That's another story.
Blame the teachers.
Where I live, they charge between 65 and 90 an hour to tutor. They have permission to tutor as long as they offer 1/2 hour a day after school hours for general extra help. SO by 3:30, most of them are out and tutoring for cash.
So yeah, only the rich get the advantage of tutors.
You blame the rich for that? Not the teachers?
We are talking about a test that kids take to get into special schools. These sorts of tests are now notorious for being susceptible to being trained to.
They do it on SATS now too. You pay someone to train you for the test. It doesn't make the kid smarter, in a general sense, it doesn't make him a better candidate.
It only makes him a better test taker for that specific test.
The manipulation occurs when some students can hire professional tutoring schemes to artificially jack up their scores by doing one thing and one thing only -
training the kids on how to take that one specific test.
"...some students can hire professional tutoring schemes...."
13. .... in an NPR story last year: Even the lowest-paid immigrants scrape up enough money for tutoring, because those high schools are seen as the ticket to a better life for their children. Thus, one immigrant family featured in the NPR story had spent $5,000 per year, of the parents combined $26,000 income as garment workers, to send their three sons to tutoring.
Their oldest boy, now a student at Stuyvesant, said of his mother, who did not speak English and, like her husband, did not finish high school in China:
Basically, she just worked every day . . . and saved up the money.
The Plot Against Merit by Dennis Saffran, City Journal Summer 2014
Obviously, all students can hire professional tutoring schemes....
No they can't, and why should they have to? It's a public school; your ability to succeed is supposed to be equality of opportunity isn't it?
Isn't public school supposed to offer equal opportunity regardless of one's ability to pay?
The question will surely break down along the usual lines: Liberals, equality of numbers is the only consideration.
Normal folks: merit should be rewarded.
"...some students can hire professional tutoring schemes...."
13. .... in an NPR story last year: Even the lowest-paid immigrants scrape up enough money for tutoring, because those high schools are seen as the ticket to a better life for their children. Thus, one immigrant family featured in the NPR story had spent $5,000 per year, of the parents combined $26,000 income as garment workers, to send their three sons to tutoring.
Their oldest boy, now a student at Stuyvesant, said of his mother, who did not speak English and, like her husband, did not finish high school in China:
Basically, she just worked every day . . . and saved up the money.
The Plot Against Merit by Dennis Saffran, City Journal Summer 2014
Obviously, all students can hire professional tutoring schemes....
No they can't, and why should they have to? It's a public school; your ability to succeed is supposed to be equality of opportunity isn't it?
Isn't public school supposed to offer equal opportunity regardless of one's ability to pay?
That's another story.
Blame the teachers.
Where I live, they charge between 65 and 90 an hour to tutor. They have permission to tutor as long as they offer 1/2 hour a day after school hours for general extra help. SO by 3:30, most of them are out and tutoring for cash.
So yeah, only the rich get the advantage of tutors.
You blame the rich for that? Not the teachers?
How is that SHSAT test results manipulated link search coming NYC? No luck on my search.
there is no doubt an standardized testing is unfair to the less fortunate.
Where I live, you cant walk a block without seeing a dozen ads for SAT tutors...
The financially less fortunate can not afford what they charge. That is a given. Heck, even I thought twice before paying for my kids to be tutored....but I did it.
