the lesson of Hiroshima

[Wolfstrike]

when we say the war is over and you need to surrender, just surrender.

you can shove the idea that you're going to occupy mainland Asia and continue the war until the last man.

 

[nuhuh]

when we say the war is over and you need to surrender, just surrender.

you can shove the idea that you're going to occupy mainland Asia and continue the war until the last man.

I would honestly hope that the lesson of Hiroshima has more elements of morality than that. Yes, the bomb had the intended effect, I wish Harry Truman or whoever selected those two quiet cities, had paused long enough to consider alternative strike options. But it is what it is and now we can only hope that some future maniac with deadly resources cuts us some slack and doesn't do the same thing to us. Ayn Rand said that morality was not intended to inflict suffering and pain but was intended to sponsor life and prosperity. Let us hope that the next bully understands at least that much.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

With out the bombs one of two things would have happened. The most likely would have been the Invasion of main land Japan which would have seen MILLIONS of dead Japanese and hundreds of thousands of Allied casualties. The other thing that might have happened would have been no invasion and the starvatiion of millions of Japanese as they had no way to feed their people or warm their homes in the coming winter.

The Japanese Army controlled the Government and had NO INTENTION of surrendering, In fact all they offered was a ceasefire and a return to November 1941 start lines. Even after the first bomb they refused to surrender and after the second they again refused, Only the intervention of the Emperor changed that and then the army attempted a coup to stop him.

 

[Coyote]

Move to Military

 

[whitehall]

Lesson #2, when a country is clearly defeated and civilians are being slaughtered daily with incendiary bombs, the duty of the winning side is to try to end the carnage. Little timid Harry Truman was apparently influenced by the ghost of FDR and refused to negotiate with the Bushido holdouts who seemed to be in charge so the Japanese had no other choice but to negotiate peace terms with Joe Stalin of all people. Americans have the right (some would say the duty) to judge the conduct of the people who were in charge during WW2 and judge the concept of killing civilians to achieve military victory. We need to consider that the media sources at the time had become a propaganda arm of the government and they can't be trusted to tell the truth. Harry Truman might have been pressured by the egghead scientists and maniacs in the military to use the weapon they worked so hard to develop while the U.S still had the chance.

 

[waltky]

It shortened the war and saved thousands of lives...

Last Surviving Crew Member Has 'No Regrets' About Bombing Hiroshima
August 6, 2018 • Russell Gackenbach was a 22-year-old second lieutenant on Aug. 6, 1945, when he flew in the Necessary Evil, one of three planes in the mission that dropped the first nuclear weapon used in warfare.

On Aug. 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima. It was the first time a nuclear weapon had been used in warfare. There were three strike planes that flew over Hiroshima that day: the Enola Gay, which carried the bomb, and two observation planes, the Great Artiste and the Necessary Evil. Russell Gackenbach was a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army Air Corps and a navigator on the mission. Today, the 95-year-old is the only surviving crew member of those three planes.

Preparation

Gackenbach enlisted in the Army Aviation Cadet Program in 1943. After completing his training, he was approached by Col. Paul Tibbets, who was recruiting officers for a special mission. Tibbets said it would be dangerous but if they were successful, it could end the war. The 509th Composite Group, lead by Tibbets, spent months training in Wendover, Utah, before being shipped off to an American air base on the Pacific island of Tinian. Their planes were reconfigured B-29 Superfortress bombers. They had different engines, fewer guns and a larger bomb bay. The Enola Gay carried the weapon, nicknamed "Little Boy." It weighed nearly 10,000 pounds and could produce an explosive force equal to an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 tons of TNT.

The flight

The planes took off around 2 a.m. on Aug. 6, 1945. Gackenbach was part of the 10-man crew that flew on the Necessary Evil. "We were told that once the explosion occurred, we should not look directly at it, that we should not go through the cloud," he says. "We were not told anything about the cloud, just [told] don't go through it." As they made their final approach to Hiroshima, they were flying 30,000 feet over the city. Then, the radio went dead: that was the signal from the Enola Gay that the bomb had been released. The first thing Gackenbach saw was a blinding light and then the start of a mushroom cloud. He got out of his seat, quickly picked up his camera and took two photographs out the navigator's side window.

Gackenbach, whose duties included documenting the event with his camera, is the last surviving member of the Hiroshima mission.​

The plane circled twice around the mushroom cloud and then turned to head home. "Things were very, very quiet," Gackenbach says. "We just looked at each other; we didn't talk. We were all dumbfounded." The casualties on the ground were staggering. An estimated 80,000 people were killed instantly. Another 80,000 died from effects of the bomb in the months and years following. Hiroshima was destroyed. Three days later, the U.S. dropped a second atomic bomb, on the city of Nagasaki. And on Aug. 15, Japan announced its surrender, bringing an end to World War II. Gackenbach was discharged in 1947 and went on to work as a materials engineer for 35 years. In 2011, he returned to Japan to visit the Hiroshima Peace Memorial. "After 73 years, I do not regret what we did that day. All war's hell," he said. "The Japanese started the war; it was our turn to finish it."

SOURCE

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Lesson #2, when a country is clearly defeated and civilians are being slaughtered daily with incendiary bombs, the duty of the winning side is to try to end the carnage. Little timid Harry Truman was apparently influenced by the ghost of FDR and refused to negotiate with the Bushido holdouts who seemed to be in charge so the Japanese had no other choice but to negotiate peace terms with Joe Stalin of all people. Americans have the right (some would say the duty) to judge the conduct of the people who were in charge during WW2 and judge the concept of killing civilians to achieve military victory. We need to consider that the media sources at the time had become a propaganda arm of the government and they can't be trusted to tell the truth. Harry Truman might have been pressured by the egghead scientists and maniacs in the military to use the weapon they worked so hard to develop while the U.S still had the chance.

Followers of the Bashido are very difficult to admit defeat. Even defeat, the Japanese are hard pressed. This reminds me of the Black Night.