The left has embraced fascism in its purest form

[P@triot]

I guess you didn't know this, but Alan Greenspan admitted before Congress that he screwed up by refusing the regulate the derivatives (CMOs, CDOs, CDSs) that brought the system down.

Yeah...we've heard that before. Every time socialism fails, the socialist cries "we didn't have enough socialism".

Unconstitutional Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are proof that the housing market wasn't operating in the free market. So I ask you yet again to give me an actual example. I'm all ears.

Never mind.

That's what the left says every time they've backed themselves into a corner. But rather than quitting (the primary tenant of the left), why don't you either give an actual example or admit you were wrong and adjust your thinking?

The mere existence of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac prove that banks weren't operating in the free market.

 

[Laslow]

I didn't use that word.

Fine. You do seem to have a preconceived notion that conservatives want a dangerous level of under regulation. You admitted that you too believe that less government is a good concept. I'm not sure why you automatically attribute under regulation to people who want less government.

 

[otto105]

Yeah...we've heard that before. Every time socialism fails, the socialist cries "we didn't have enough socialism".

Unconstitutional Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are proof that the housing market wasn't operating in the free market. So I ask you yet again to give me an actual example. I'm all ears.

That's what the left says every time they've backed themselves into a corner. But rather than quitting (the primary tenant of the left), why don't you either give an actual example of admit you were wrong and adjust your thinking?

The mere existence of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac prove that banks weren't operating in the free market.

How about those banks n 1929!

 

[P@triot]

That was gwb fuckup.

GWB wasn't President when Barack Obama expanded illegal mass surveillance of the American people. Oops! Now what?

Edward Snowden didn't expose anything under GWB - he exposed it all under Democrat Barack Obama. Oops!!

 

[Mac1958]

Yeah...we've heard that before. Every time socialism fails, the socialist cries "we didn't have enough socialism".

Unconstitutional Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are proof that the housing market wasn't operating in the free market. So I ask you yet again to give me an actual example. I'm all ears.

That's what the left says every time they've backed themselves into a corner. But rather than quitting (the primary tenant of the left), why don't you either give an actual example of admit you were wrong and adjust your thinking?

The mere existence of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac prove that banks weren't operating in the free market.

You'll believe what you're told to believe.

I was in the middle of this, in the profession, at the time. I still am. You get your news from propaganda sources.

Enjoy.

 

[otto105]

GWB wasn't President when Barack Obama expanded illegal mass surveillance of the American people. Oops! Now what?

Edward Snowden didn't expose anything under GWB - he exposed it all under Democrat Barack Obama. Oops!!

When was the patriot act signed and by whom?

 

[P@triot]

How about those banks n 1929!

What about them?

They didn't cause a housing collapse like the government did in 2009!

 

[P@triot]

I was in the middle of this, in the profession, at the time. I still am.

So enlighten me instead of whining. I've already given you kudos and agreed with a lot of what you said. But the moment you have proof that you're wrong on something, you pout and quit. How is that helpful?

 

[otto105]

What about them?

They didn't cause a housing collapse like the government did in 2009!

The Great Recession started in 2007 fuckup.

And yes, they did and our government bailed them out.

 

[Mac1958]

Fine. You do seem to have a preconceived notion that conservatives want a dangerous level of under regulation. You admitted that you too believe that less government is a good concept. I'm not sure why you automatically attribute under regulation to people who want less government.

Well yes, the Right wants a dangerous level of under-regulation. That doesn't make them anarchists. It makes them mal-informed and manipulated.

There could not possibly be a better example of this than the 2008/2009 Meltdown, but I know that you probably don't know what I'm talking about. I just had this conversation with another person on this thread, and I'm tired of trying to explain what is easily found elsewhere.

 

[Mac1958]

So enlighten me instead of whining. I've already given you kudos and agreed with a lot of what you said. But the moment you have proof that you're wrong on something, you pout and quit. How is that helpful?

I realize that I'm wasting my time. I already told you, I wouldn't try to convince you of anything.

I've done this a thousand times here, and I'm done with it. It's depressing.

 

[P@triot]

The Great Recession started in 2007 fuckup.

Bwahahaha! When Bush left office, unemployment was at 7% and change. Not even remotely close to a "recession".

Barack Obama and the Democrats drove that shit up over 10%.

 

[P@triot]

I realize that I'm wasting my time.

Again, what the left says every time they are proven wrong.

The banks were not operating in the free market. You know it. I know it. Everyone here knows it.

 

[otto105]

Again, what the left says every time they are proven wrong.

The banks were not operating in the free market. You know it. I know it. Everyone here knows it.

What the banks were handing out money like it was candy. How is that not free

 

[Laslow]

Well yes, the Right wants a dangerous level of under-regulation. That doesn't make them anarchists. It makes them mal-informed and manipulated.

There could not possibly be a better example of this than the 2008/2009 Meltdown, but I know that you probably don't know what I'm talking about. I just had this conversation with another person on this thread, and I'm tired of trying to explain what is easily found elsewhere.

It is fair for you not to agree with the Right on the 2008/2009 Meltdown. I just hope you don't automatically lump people who want less government as manipulated fools. Conservatism is a solid principle, and one I do not see worthy of ridicule. You can disagree with how it is applied or if it needs to be applied, but it seems you are smearing a large number of people for no reason.

 

[Mac1958]

It is fair for you not to agree with the Right on the 2008/2009 Meltdown. I just hope you don't automatically lump people who want less government as manipulated fools. Conservatism is a solid principle, and one I do not see worthy of ridicule. You can disagree with how it is applied or if it needs to be applied, but it seems you are smearing a large number of people for no reason.

As I said before, what bothers me is binary thinking, and that's damn near all I see from the Right currently. The Left is bad enough as it is. This is at a whole new level.

 

[j-mac]

Holy crap. The alternate universe speaks.

Well, tell me where I'm wrong....

 

[Laslow]

I'm going to start a thread on the 'Right Wing Echo Chamber' in the media section.

 

[j-mac]

Under-regulation, obviously. As we saw with the 2008/2009 Meltdown. I know you don't know what I'm talking about.

Trumpsters have been trained to believe that proper regulation is always bad, that it's the bane of capitalism. In reality, it's a critical component of capitalism.

Again, I know you don't know what I'm talking about, and I wouldn't try to convince someone like you of anything. You asked, I answered.

Yeah, wasn't it great during the Obama administration, EPA fining people for cleaning up a puddle after a storm, or Seizing their land....Weren't those great times?

 

[task0778]

I didn't vote Democrat over Republican in reality. I had to vote against Trumpism (not the individual, the movement), and voting directly against it was/is the only option.

What I have been seeing over the last couple of decades in this country is a mad dash to lower standards and expectations at every opportunity. The Left has done it with the culture and with minorities, and now the Right is doing it with its political leaders. It began with Palin.

Look, you're being civil, and I very much appreciate that. I'm not trying to change your mind, but you've asked a reasonable question. So:

1. Trump, Boebert, MTG, Santos -- these people shouldn't be anywhere near the halls of legislative power. Yes, I have real problems with some Democrats, but this has gone too far. Just as the Left elevated people like Kim freaking Kardashian on the basis of NOTHING, these people have been elevated for the wrong reasons.

2. This right wing media-driven alternate universe has created this generation of mal-informed, paranoid, angry people who exist within their own separate information ecosystem. A country cannot survive like this, and our elected "leaders" have cravenly sold their soul to enable it.

3. Anything that makes people really, truly believe that Donald Trump is a brilliant, patriotic, honest Christian man is perverting minds. And again, I'm not talking about the individual, I'm talking about whatever the hell it is that has done this to so many people.

4. You may have been waiting for this, but this blatant love affair with White Christian Nationalists only confirms my concerns. Trump's supporters will deny it exists, and that only makes me more concerned because that only enables more of it. It's not being hidden very well.

If you asked me the same question tomorrow, I'd probably answer it in a different way. I'm still trying to get my head around this, but I know that I have to vote against it. I refuse to believe that we aren't better than this. We have to be better than this arrogant, ignorant, paranoia. The issues are secondary.

Okay, thanks for the explanation. Can't say as I agree with much of what you're saying, but I'm not sure if this thread has already been hijacked and maybe if you're interested in a further discussion with somebody who isn't going to throw crap at you then we can open our own thread somewhere about Trumpism and where the parties differ.