The Kerry Effect

[The Rabbi]

Quite often, after President Bush won his reelection, I've asked the people who voted for him the second time around, "why did you vote to reelect him?", and their answer always came back..."Because the Democrats put up Kerry as their candidate".....


Is Obama going to win his reelection in 2012 due to the "Kerry Effect"?

Due to there not being a strong, energetic, and charismatic Republican candidate that can pull Democrats over to vote for him?

He could. Look at Perry, the newest guy Republicans have wood for, or do they ? There is a yacht club ware I work now and again. At some point, any republican politician who wants the big Texas dollars will come and do a meet and greet and ask for money. Perry should have been there already, but has not shown up yet. I dont think folks are as jazzed up about him as the media makes them out to be.

is that the Yacht club were Kerry registered his Boat to avoid Massachusetts taxs?

No. It's a yacht club in Bumfuck TX where NGSamson scrapres barnacles off the hull. At least when he isn't stoned. The combined membership there had a hundred dollars once. That makes them big rollers in NGSamson's book. He is dead set against Perry because Perry won't allow him to get a hunting license for illegal aliens crossing the border.

 

[NGSamson]

You..I like.

You may have different ideas then me..but you aren't seeing the world through tea colored glasses.

No I dont. I install bent mahogany banisters, and I do carpentry on $430,000 yachts. I work for rich folks, and no matter there political bent, they will always talk politics at you. Through small talk with customers you get a sense that there is a split among the Texas money people.

Hmm..that must be a Texas thing.

I've sat in board rooms with CEOs and Executives and rubbed elbows with them at parties.

Most of them seem pretty apoltical. My experience though is the New York Wallstreet scene.

Thats "at work" though. When I talk the owner of a Yacht, Or home, 9 times out of ten they are in shorts and sandals. When I was a company slave Political and religious talk could get you fired.

 

[elvis]

Quite often, after President Bush won his reelection, I've asked the people who voted for him the second time around, "why did you vote to reelect him?", and their answer always came back..."Because the Democrats put up Kerry as their candidate".....


Is Obama going to win his reelection in 2012 due to the "Kerry Effect"?

Due to there not being a strong, energetic, and charismatic Republican candidate that can pull Democrats over to vote for him?

quite possible, although it's more the independents than democrats that the republican must bring over.

 

[NGSamson]

He could. Look at Perry, the newest guy Republicans have wood for, or do they ? There is a yacht club ware I work now and again. At some point, any republican politician who wants the big Texas dollars will come and do a meet and greet and ask for money. Perry should have been there already, but has not shown up yet. I dont think folks are as jazzed up about him as the media makes them out to be.

is that the Yacht club were Kerry registered his Boat to avoid Massachusetts taxs?

No. It's a yacht club in Bumfuck TX where NGSamson scrapres barnacles off the hull. At least when he isn't stoned. The combined membership there had a hundred dollars once. That makes them big rollers in NGSamson's book. He is dead set against Perry because Perry won't allow him to get a hunting license for illegal aliens crossing the border.

BFE Texas ? Ok. But you see, when you own a tiny yacht, it still cost a good deal of money for a half way decent bottom job. We leave those to the border brothers and teens that work there over the summer. I normally do the plumbing and carpentry. Lake wood Yacht club in Sea Brook Texas if far from BFE. Bush Sr. parties there. And they dont think to much of your hero because he has yet to lick there ass for the money. Hutchenson had the same problem when she ran for governor.so she had to beg in Nassau bay. And sure, I poof now and again, and I can because I make my own money, and I sign the checks. Due to that fact, I dont have to kiss ass or take my marching orders from anyone. I am also dead set against Perry because he changes his mind depending on what news outlet is interviewing him. He has approximately the same stance as Bill White. So unlike you, up there in Tennessee, who never even knew who Perry was until you herd about him of fox news, I have lived here for all three of his terms, and developed my opinion from his actions.

 

[NGSamson]

Quite often, after President Bush won his reelection, I've asked the people who voted for him the second time around, "why did you vote to reelect him?", and their answer always came back..."Because the Democrats put up Kerry as their candidate".....


Is Obama going to win his reelection in 2012 due to the "Kerry Effect"?

Due to there not being a strong, energetic, and charismatic Republican candidate that can pull Democrats over to vote for him?

quite possible, although it's more the independents than democrats that the republican must bring over.

And thats why you cant get a true read on the candidates until the primaries are over. Both party's have to pander to there base.

 

[Care4all]

Quite often, after President Bush won his reelection, I've asked the people who voted for him the second time around, "why did you vote to reelect him?", and their answer always came back..."Because the Democrats put up Kerry as their candidate".....


Is Obama going to win his reelection in 2012 due to the "Kerry Effect"?

Due to there not being a strong, energetic, and charismatic Republican candidate that can pull Democrats over to vote for him?

quite possible, although it's more the independents than democrats that the republican must bring over.

Agree! Those independents that gave Obama a chance in the last election and those that voted for others, that wrote in a candidate like Ron Paul.

I say those particular independents because the ones that voted for mccain can be assumed as republican votes in the bag, ALREADY, imo....and it is voters that did not vote mccain, that the republican presidential candidate needs in addition to the primarily republican voting citizens.

care

 

[geauxtohell]

Quite often, after President Bush won his reelection, I've asked the people who voted for him the second time around, "why did you vote to reelect him?", and their answer always came back..."Because the Democrats put up Kerry as their candidate".....


Is Obama going to win his reelection in 2012 due to the "Kerry Effect"?

Due to there not being a strong, energetic, and charismatic Republican candidate that can pull Democrats over to vote for him?

quite possible, although it's more the independents than democrats that the republican must bring over.

I think the GOP will have some trouble with that too, as people don't really see Congress as having any sort of magic bullet for the economy. They are seen as part of the problem too.

As this latest venture was a "compromise" they aren't going to be able to lay it at Obama's feet. They tried, it backfired. Congress' confidence level is pretty abysmal too (it usually is, but it is even more abysmal then usual now).

I see a lot of depressed voters in this next election and a lot of people staying home. If the GOP gets fired up, that could make the difference for the lethargic Obama voters who feel he hasn't delivered.

However, whoever emerges as the GOP frontrunner is going to need to come across as a thoughtful, rational, logical, and articulate guy.

Considering the mentality over there, I think it's going to like walking through a minefield for an electable candidate to negotiate the radical GOP primary and then move adequately to the center to win the general.

I don't think Rick Perry is smooth enough to do it. Romney could, but I don't see him surviving the primary.

Bachmann was toast the day after Ames. She hit her high water mark.

So that really leaves a big question mark.

At any rate, The GOP should keep that champaign on ice until the 11th hour. If they think they have this one in the bag, they are frigging nutso.

 

[geauxtohell]

Quite often, after President Bush won his reelection, I've asked the people who voted for him the second time around, "why did you vote to reelect him?", and their answer always came back..."Because the Democrats put up Kerry as their candidate".....


Is Obama going to win his reelection in 2012 due to the "Kerry Effect"?

Due to there not being a strong, energetic, and charismatic Republican candidate that can pull Democrats over to vote for him?

quite possible, although it's more the independents than democrats that the republican must bring over.

And thats why you cant get a true read on the candidates until the primaries are over. Both party's have to pander to there base.

Usually that works. But since the GOP has gone so far to the right, it's going to be hard to get over pandering to the base of the GOP and then making it to the middle.

I don't think Obama is in a good position, but I don't think he's being dumb either by trying to portray himself as the calm voice of reason in the fray that is Washington right now.

 

[kaz]

He didn't slander shit.

Vietnam was a war crime and a slaughter house.

You hysterical lefties just love to squeal "war crime" over everything of which you don't approve. And, have you never heard kerry's comments after he returned?

So you support massacres of entire villages and gang rapes of little girls? That if they are not Americans..correct?

Yes or no.

You voted for Kerry and defend him and he says he participated in that. Are you a hypocrite? Yes or no.

BTW, you watched Platoon too many times. I come from a military family and we have a lot of military friends. They say that the things that happened in Platoon did happen, but they were the extremes. Their only dispute with the movie was it made those things appear to be normal. According to Kerry's congressional testimony he spent a few months on a boat on a river living Platoon until he got out on a technicality without missing a day of service.

 

[kaz]

I don't think Obama is in a good position, but I don't think he's being dumb either by trying to portray himself as the calm voice of reason in the fray that is Washington right now.

He's not dumb for trying it, but anyone who believes it is a complete idiot

 

[Toro]

I dread when I hear the word "Gravitas". It's one of those liberal code words I have no use for.

Well, I'm not a liberal, and its not a code word. Whether or not you have no use for it, I fail to see the relevance. The lack of gravitas destroyed whatever chance Dan Quayle had of becoming President.

I also have always wondered about this bit of silliness that being a success in business would automatically translate into a successful presidency. If that were the case, Bush-41, bush-43 and Carter would have all been great presidents, because they were successful businessmen.

Of course, it doesn't work that way. Someone obstructs you in the business world, they don't have jobs very long. Someone obstructs you in politics, they get to be the favorite guest on The Daily Show and MSNBC.

First, I never said success as a business person would translate into success as a President. In fact, it can be a hinderance. But it is a positive for someone running for the Republican nomination, especially right now when the country is struggling economically. The country is looking at those who have economic experience. Romney oozes that in spades. Perry, after all, isn't at the top of the polls because he's a Tea Party evangelical (though it certainly helps). He's at the top of the polls because Texas led in job creation.

And I don't think the attack line on Romney destroying jobs is going to work. It can, but I don't think the Democrats are skillful and clever enough. Bain Capital made its name as a growth capital firm, i.e. it successfully funded growing businesses that hired a lot of people. I don't have any hard numbers, but I would be willing to bet a fair amount of money that while Romney was there, the firm's portfolio companies hired multiples more people than they fired. THAT is the narrative I expect Romney to pursue. Successful businessman who knows how to create jobs. That is very appealing to a country experiencing 9% employment. Assuming, of course, he can get through the primaries.

Bush I was a good businessman. Bush II was not. Carter was a good farmer.

 

[geauxtohell]

You hysterical lefties just love to squeal "war crime" over everything of which you don't approve. And, have you never heard kerry's comments after he returned?

So you support massacres of entire villages and gang rapes of little girls? That if they are not Americans..correct?

Yes or no.

You voted for Kerry and defend him and he says he participated in that. Are you a hypocrite? Yes or no.

BTW, you watched Platoon too many times. I come from a military family and we have a lot of military friends. They say that the things that happened in Platoon did happen, but they were the extremes. Their only dispute with the movie was it made those things appear to be normal. According to Kerry's congressional testimony he spent a few months on a boat on a river living Platoon until he got out on a technicality without missing a day of service.

Wow. You come from a "military family and have lots of military friends"? That almost means something.

BTW, you realize Oliver Stone volunteered to go to Viet Nam and served as an Infantryman there? Perhaps it's further ironic that Stone served in the 25th ID, the same unit portrayed in Platoon. Perhaps Stone knows something you don't having actually been there.

Say what you want about Stone. The man is not a coward.

 

[geauxtohell]

I don't think Obama is in a good position, but I don't think he's being dumb either by trying to portray himself as the calm voice of reason in the fray that is Washington right now.

He's not dumb for trying it, but anyone who believes it is a complete idiot

Compared to the relative hysteria of congress, he's come across as pretty magnanimous.

 

[Unkotare]

I also have always wondered about this bit of silliness that being a success in business would automatically translate into a successful presidency. .

That's because you are a moron in addition to being a bigot.

 

[kaz]

So you support massacres of entire villages and gang rapes of little girls? That if they are not Americans..correct?

Yes or no.

You voted for Kerry and defend him and he says he participated in that. Are you a hypocrite? Yes or no.

BTW, you watched Platoon too many times. I come from a military family and we have a lot of military friends. They say that the things that happened in Platoon did happen, but they were the extremes. Their only dispute with the movie was it made those things appear to be normal. According to Kerry's congressional testimony he spent a few months on a boat on a river living Platoon until he got out on a technicality without missing a day of service.

Wow. You come from a "military family and have lots of military friends"? That almost means something.

BTW, you realize Oliver Stone volunteered to go to Viet Nam and served as an Infantryman there? Perhaps it's further ironic that Stone served in the 25th ID, the same unit portrayed in Platoon. Perhaps Stone knows something you don't having actually been there.

Say what you want about Stone. The man is not a coward.

You lectured me and yet you didn't contradict my post, dumb ass

 

[Missourian]

is that the Yacht club were Kerry registered his Boat to avoid Massachusetts taxs?

No. It's a yacht club in Bumfuck TX where NGSamson scrapres barnacles off the hull. At least when he isn't stoned. The combined membership there had a hundred dollars once. That makes them big rollers in NGSamson's book. He is dead set against Perry because Perry won't allow him to get a hunting license for illegal aliens crossing the border.

BFE Texas ? Ok. But you see, when you own a tiny yacht, it still cost a good deal of money for a half way decent bottom job. We leave those to the border brothers and teens that work there over the summer. I normally do the plumbing and carpentry. Lake wood Yacht club in Sea Brook Texas if far from BFE. Bush Sr. parties there. And they dont think to much of your hero because he has yet to lick there ass for the money. Hutchenson had the same problem when she ran for governor.so she had to beg in Nassau bay. And sure, I poof now and again, and I can because I make my own money, and I sign the checks. Due to that fact, I dont have to kiss ass or take my marching orders from anyone. I am also dead set against Perry because he changes his mind depending on what news outlet is interviewing him. He has approximately the same stance as Bill White. So unlike you, up there in Tennessee, who never even knew who Perry was until you herd about him of fox news, I have lived here for all three of his terms, and developed my opinion from his actions.

I've been to Seabrook...nice area over there.

I delivered a small barge over there once.

There is a TA truckstop just up 59, used to be a Rip Griffin...still stop in there when I'm down that way.

Perry is the only candidate vying for the nomination that I am excited about.

It certainly doesn't hurt his prospects that he isn't kissing ass at the yacht club.

 

[geauxtohell]

You voted for Kerry and defend him and he says he participated in that. Are you a hypocrite? Yes or no.

BTW, you watched Platoon too many times. I come from a military family and we have a lot of military friends. They say that the things that happened in Platoon did happen, but they were the extremes. Their only dispute with the movie was it made those things appear to be normal. According to Kerry's congressional testimony he spent a few months on a boat on a river living Platoon until he got out on a technicality without missing a day of service.

Wow. You come from a "military family and have lots of military friends"? That almost means something.

BTW, you realize Oliver Stone volunteered to go to Viet Nam and served as an Infantryman there? Perhaps it's further ironic that Stone served in the 25th ID, the same unit portrayed in Platoon. Perhaps Stone knows something you don't having actually been there.

Say what you want about Stone. The man is not a coward.

You lectured me and yet you didn't contradict my post, dumb ass

I didn't see any point of contradicting your opinion based on having 1.) Watched Platoon 2.) "come from a military family" and 3.) "have several friends that were military"

Contrasted with Oliver Stone's first hand account of Viet Nam, the dumbassery seemed self evident. Though I don't believe Stone ever meant Platoon to be anything other than semi-autobiographical. I think the village scene was borrowed from My Lai.

BTW, a "Platoon" is an Infantry unit. Kerry was in the Navy. You are welcome.

 

[kaz]

I don't think Obama is in a good position, but I don't think he's being dumb either by trying to portray himself as the calm voice of reason in the fray that is Washington right now.

He's not dumb for trying it, but anyone who believes it is a complete idiot

Compared to the relative hysteria of congress, he's come across as pretty magnanimous.

To a Socialist, sure. To anyone else, not.

 

[kaz]

Wow. You come from a "military family and have lots of military friends"? That almost means something.

BTW, you realize Oliver Stone volunteered to go to Viet Nam and served as an Infantryman there? Perhaps it's further ironic that Stone served in the 25th ID, the same unit portrayed in Platoon. Perhaps Stone knows something you don't having actually been there.

Say what you want about Stone. The man is not a coward.

You lectured me and yet you didn't contradict my post, dumb ass

I didn't see any point of contradicting your opinion based on having 1.) Watched Platoon 2.) "come from a military family" and 3.) "have several friends that were military"

Contrasted with Oliver Stone's first hand account of Viet Nam, the dumbassery seemed self evident. Though I don't believe Stone ever meant Platoon to be anything other than semi-autobiographical. I think the village scene was borrowed from My Lai.

BTW, a "Platoon" is an Infantry unit. Kerry was in the Navy. You are welcome.

Again a "rebuttal" in which you contradicted nothing in my post.

I'll type slow for you since you are...slow. What...point...did....I....make....you...disagree....with?????

You said you didn't see a "point" in contradicting my post, but everything you said was consistent with my post.

 

[Ernie S.]

the swift boat liars SHOULD be blamed for Kerry's loss. well, his refusal to take them seriously until it was too late, anyway.

What specifically did the Swift Boat guys say that wasn't true, exactly? .

The Fact is they never proved anything the Swift Boaters were saying was lies. Not once, They just think now almost 8 years later they can get away with dismissing them as liars and blaming Kerry not responding to them on his loss.

Just another Example of Liberals having a real time living with in reality.

I have a buddy that served on a swift boat in Nam. He wasn't on Kerry's boat, but he knew him and hung out with Kerry's men. His only personal comment about Kerry was that he was pretty self absorbed. He confirms what has been said about him. Hearsay, yes, but good enough for me.