The Justice Department Blocked AT&T from Gobbling up T-Mobile

Well no government is telling the private sector they cant merge and own 100% of the market. We dont allow these things most of the time because it hurts capitalism.

See the best way our market works is if you have plenty to choose from. This would kill choice and the free market for the private sector. You get one step closer to these people controlling the rates and nobody else can do shit about it.

Let me guess? You live in a town with one Pharmacy, Restaurant and one gas station right?
Now the local eat and poop might be the only thing around for miles, and they charge 10 bucks for a soda, but hey its all good right? They are the private sector an therefore can do what they like!

I was right, you are fucking stupid. Let me guess you are one of those people who get drunk off mouth wash right?

How would this kill choice? The FCC estimates that most Americans have access to at least 5 different cell providers. They would have access to more if most cities did not work to keep WalMart out of them, but politicians only care about people with money, like unions, not the actual poor people who would benefit from having a WalMart near them.

wow this is a sure flipflop of the typical talking points. Now government only cares about people with money.

How is that a flip flop? That has been my position all along. Please point out anywhere I argued that the government, being run by politicians, cares about people who are poor. That would be you and the other idiots who think people are willing to spend a billion dollars to get a job that pays less than $500,000 care about the little guy.
 
i'm sorry america has standards..If you dont like our standards feel free to move to china.
Just dont complain when you get sick from the toothpaste

No, the problem is that we have unreasonable standards, but the chinese have no standards. So companies (like the one I work for) just find it easier to move my JOB (not me) to China. But I've got standards, man. That's the important thing!

As for the toothpaste, the toothpaste ends up here, anyway. Usually in a dollar store.

I think I'd rather have a job than unreasonable standards like "You didn't properly document your forklift training, so we are going to hit you with a $50,000 fine."

till that forklift goes nuts, cuts off your arm and you sue.

Forklifts never go nuts.
 
wow this is a sure flipflop of the typical talking points. Now government only cares about people with money.

How is that a flip flop? That has been my position all along. Please point out anywhere I argued that the government, being run by politicians, cares about people who are poor. That would be you and the other idiots who think people are willing to spend a billion dollars to get a job that pays less than $500,000 care about the little guy.

Its a flipflop from the typical argument i run into. You know the people saying that the government only cares about taking hard earned money and giving it away(welfare)......Or socialism....


I'll give you sometime, i am sure you will contradict yourself soon enough.

About politicians only caring about rich people? Don't hold your breathe.
 
Wrong. Microsoft used to have a monopoly.

I'm not talking about what some delusional liberal lawyer in a black dress thinks, I'm talking about reality. Are you really this incapable of looking at the facts and drawing your own conclusions, rather than having someone spoonfeed you with what you should think and believe?

Fact: Microsoft has competitors in every branch of business.

Fact: Microsoft always has had competitors in every branch of business. There has not been one period in the history of Microsoft when it has been the only provider on the market in any of its product areas.

See if you can argue the facts, rather than parroting what someone told you.

:lol::lol::lol::lol: I think you mean "reality...as I see it"

Well, that'll teach you to try to think when you're obviously so ill-equipped for it.

I'm NOT talking about "reality as I see it". The existence of Microsoft's competitors is not an opinion or an individual perception. It is objective reality, visible to anyone who isn't currently checking his colon for polyps up close.
 
Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, and never has had one.

Operating system: Linux
Server: Linux
Desktop applications: Apple, Corel, Google, IBM, Novell, Oracle, etc.
Online services: AOL, Google, Yahoo, etc.
Entertainment: Nintendo and Sony

Is there one big company that does all of these things and competes with Microsoft? No, but there doesn't need to be for effective competition to exist and benefit consumers, as it in fact does. Indeed, in some of these areas, Microsoft gets quite soundly and routinely trashed.

That's the point. People talk about "monopolies" and how they "control market share", but the truth is that without government intervention, NO business "controls" anything. All they can do is HAVE the market share . . . for the moment. It is all too easy for a monolithic titan of business to make one misstep and disappear forever, to be replaced by a swarm of newcomers. Go ask Montgomery Ward and the A&P if you don't believe it.

Wrong. Microsoft used to have a monopoly.


WASHINGTON--A federal judge has determined that Microsoft holds a monopoly in computer operating systems, strongly criticizing the company in a decisive statement that could signal the outcome of the landmark antitrust case.

Read more: Judge calls Microsoft a "monopoly" - CNET News

I'm not talking about what some delusional liberal lawyer in a black dress thinks, I'm talking about reality. Are you really this incapable of looking at the facts and drawing your own conclusions, rather than having someone spoonfeed you with what you should think and believe?

Fact: Microsoft has competitors in every branch of business.

Fact: Microsoft always has had competitors in every branch of business. There has not been one period in the history of Microsoft when it has been the only provider on the market in any of its product areas.

See if you can argue the facts, rather than parroting what someone told you.


You'll have to forgive myself and the judge for using the legal definition of the word "monopoly" instead of yours.
 
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I can't believe we're being preached to about capitalism by a bunch of liberals who are doing it to cheer on the government controlling the marketplace. It's surreal. I expect Rod Serling to show up in the corner any minute now.

jesus you Stephanie's sister? you understand why we have regulations right?
you only buy lead paint toothpaste huh.

THere are reasonable regulations and not reasonable regulations.

The problem is we get the toothpaste with anti-freeze in it from China, while the American company that makes toothpaste closes its doors because OSHA slapped it with a bunch of fines because someone didn't fill out the right form for forklift training.

Ever thought that maybe if someone didn't fill out a form for forklift training - maybe, just maybe, they weren;'t trained to operate a forklift?
 
Seriously?

Ever heard of Microsoft?

Seriously?

Microsoft was never a monopoly.

FYI, the government alleged that Microsoft used anti competitive tactics by including features in its OS that other companies were trying to charge people for. They were also accused of forcing manufacturers who wanted to use Microsoft products from offering other computers with products from other companies that sold operating systems.

They were trying to stifle competition in some ways, but they were never a monopoly. Now they get the government to help them maintain their market share by forcing companies that a completely free (to them) OS to pay them for the patents they infringe on by using something that no one sells commercially.

Do you honestly want to try to use them as an example of something the government did right?

I think there is an important issue that Microsoft became kind of close to a monopoly because the market demanded it.

I write up a spreadsheet on Excel. I send it out to ten vendors. One is using Lotus 1-2-3. Another is using Gnumeric. Another is using Visicalc. The market demanded everyone use the same software..


Demanding that everyone use the same software isn't the same as demanding that not only should everyone use the same piece of software for a given task - but ALL software should be written by ONE entity.

That's kinda like communism - 'cept the people don't own it.


The fact that Windows is such a shitty operating system is proof enough that the market is often WRONG. I haven't used an anti-virus software in almost a decade and haven't gotten a single virus. - BECAUSE I DON'T RUN WINDOWS - and any time I have to boot up a Windows system for whatever reason - at work or helping a friend or family member with their computer - I get a little panic attack just thinking about how long I'm going to sit their waiting... waiting ... waiting ....
 
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jesus you Stephanie's sister? you understand why we have regulations right?
you only buy lead paint toothpaste huh.

THere are reasonable regulations and not reasonable regulations.

The problem is we get the toothpaste with anti-freeze in it from China, while the American company that makes toothpaste closes its doors because OSHA slapped it with a bunch of fines because someone didn't fill out the right form for forklift training.

Ever thought that maybe if someone didn't fill out a form for forklift training - maybe, just maybe, they weren;'t trained to operate a forklift?

Did you ever think that people were driving forklifts for years before OSHA suddenly decided people needed extra training? I wonder if the accident rate has gone down, ir up, after OSHA got involved. My guess, after watching graduates of the new training programs, is that they went up.
 
Did you ever think that people were driving forklifts for years before OSHA suddenly decided people needed extra training? I wonder if the accident rate has gone down, ir up, after OSHA got involved. My guess, after watching graduates of the new training programs, is that they went up.

Hey - why use real facts when you can just guess and make it up?
 
Wrong. Microsoft used to have a monopoly.

I'm not talking about what some delusional liberal lawyer in a black dress thinks, I'm talking about reality. Are you really this incapable of looking at the facts and drawing your own conclusions, rather than having someone spoonfeed you with what you should think and believe?

Fact: Microsoft has competitors in every branch of business.

Fact: Microsoft always has had competitors in every branch of business. There has not been one period in the history of Microsoft when it has been the only provider on the market in any of its product areas.

See if you can argue the facts, rather than parroting what someone told you.


You'll have to forgive myself and the judge for using the legal definition of the word "monopoly" instead of yours.

The judge did not use the legal definition. If he had he would never have issued that finding of fact, he would have tossed the suit before it got to trial.
 
Monopoly? Puhleeze. As I understand it, T-Mobile is the #4 wireless provider, and AT&T is #2. For those of us who can count, that means there's a #1 and a #3, at least. Hardly a monopoly, and hardly likely to allow a merged company to start hiking prices and blowing off the need for technological advances.

And that's completely leaving aside the fact that there's no way to HAVE a monopoly in a market like the US without government intervention. :eusa_hand:

you always this stupid?

Scroll through her posts if you want a solid laugh. She's a real classy lady.

Pot, kettle, black
 
No one from the left can offer ANY justification for stopping this merger. Jobs are apparently only important when they fit into your talking points.

Let T-Mobile go under Fuck the jobs. Do I got your position right?
 
Wrong. Microsoft used to have a monopoly.

I'm not talking about what some delusional liberal lawyer in a black dress thinks, I'm talking about reality. Are you really this incapable of looking at the facts and drawing your own conclusions, rather than having someone spoonfeed you with what you should think and believe?

Fact: Microsoft has competitors in every branch of business.

Fact: Microsoft always has had competitors in every branch of business. There has not been one period in the history of Microsoft when it has been the only provider on the market in any of its product areas.

See if you can argue the facts, rather than parroting what someone told you.


You'll have to forgive myself and the judge for using the legal definition of the word "monopoly" instead of yours.

No, I never forgive blind, partisan stupidity.

By the way, just because a judge said it doesn't make it the "legal definition" . . . not that I think YOU have any clue about ANY definition of the word.
 
till that forklift goes nuts, cuts off your arm and you sue.

Guy, I've worked in logistics and manufacturing ever since I got out of the army in 1992.

I've never seen anyone injured by a forklift.

but usually, when OSHA comes around (after a dirtbag we just fired calls them up) that's what they always find and ding us for. Yup. You didn't document your forklift licensing.

Now they are developing forklifts that drive themselves, which will no doubt eliminate more jobs.

Good show.
 
No one from the left can offer ANY justification for stopping this merger. Jobs are apparently only important when they fit into your talking points.

Let T-Mobile go under Fuck the jobs. Do I got your position right?

I find the Government's position on this baffling, especially since T-Mobile wants the merger just as bad as AT&T does.

I should point out that when I called T-Mobile the other night, I spent five minutes getting shunted through computers before I talked to some customer service babe in the Philippines. So I'm not seeing what the supposed jobs issue here is.
 
Scroll through her posts if you want a solid laugh. She's a real classy lady.

Pot, kettle, black

funny... unless you're someone's sock, you've been here for one post. so i'm gonna say your opinion is meaningless. i suspect so will the person you were addressing.

OMG! Its the Post Count Police!

Here's a tip for you, 'tard. You're going to have to bring it with a LOT more effort than that. But, please... by all means. Keep posting responses devoid of any coherent thought-process and I'll keep knocking you down.
 
Seriously?

Microsoft was never a monopoly.

FYI, the government alleged that Microsoft used anti competitive tactics by including features in its OS that other companies were trying to charge people for. They were also accused of forcing manufacturers who wanted to use Microsoft products from offering other computers with products from other companies that sold operating systems.

They were trying to stifle competition in some ways, but they were never a monopoly. Now they get the government to help them maintain their market share by forcing companies that a completely free (to them) OS to pay them for the patents they infringe on by using something that no one sells commercially.

Do you honestly want to try to use them as an example of something the government did right?

I think there is an important issue that Microsoft became kind of close to a monopoly because the market demanded it.

I write up a spreadsheet on Excel. I send it out to ten vendors. One is using Lotus 1-2-3. Another is using Gnumeric. Another is using Visicalc. The market demanded everyone use the same software..


Demanding that everyone use the same software isn't the same as demanding that not only should everyone use the same piece of software for a given task - but ALL software should be written by ONE entity.

That's kinda like communism - 'cept the people don't own it.


The fact that Windows is such a shitty operating system is proof enough that the market is often WRONG. I haven't used an anti-virus software in almost a decade and haven't gotten a single virus. - BECAUSE I DON'T RUN WINDOWS - and any time I have to boot up a Windows system for whatever reason - at work or helping a friend or family member with their computer - I get a little panic attack just thinking about how long I'm going to sit their waiting... waiting ... waiting ....

What?! How do you manage not to run Windows? You mean there are other operating systems out there besides the one written by Microsoft?! But . . . but . . . they're a MONOPOLY, aren't they?

:eusa_whistle:
 
One joke I heard was that it would be horrible if the merger meant we got AT&T's coverage and T-Mobile's customer service out of the deal.

In the 30 years since they did us this big favor and broke up AT&T's monopoly, we've seen these fly by night phone companies come and go, people invested and lost their shirts, and land lines are slowly being replaced by wireless networks. But soon it will be down to just Verizon and AT&T.
 

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