Federal judge blocks Elon Musk's DOGE from Accessing Treasury Department records

[toobfreak]

Democrats abused their power and violated the trust of the people and now they are paying for that mistake....

CORRECTION Ram: Democrats have been abusing their power for 30 years increasingly violating the trust of the people, until they finally ran into that one person willing and able to call them out for it and expose them.

 

[Oddball]

 

[d0gbreath]

Sincerely doubt they'll cooperate.

They really should, because it's obviously a trap. Go ahead, get caught with it later.

 

[Leo123]

Why are you against cutting waste and fraud of your tax dollars?... can't you imagine what that money can do for our nation?... we have people living in the streets...

They're just TDSers with a huge infection of hate. They'll do or say anything to denigrate Trump, Musk and their efforts to gain control of the out of control spending by the Democrats

 

[toobfreak]

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Looks like they need to go back and get more acting lessons from Hollywood.

 

[Leo123]

Looks like they need to go back and get more acting lessons from Hollywood.

That's an insurrection!!! Arrest all of them including gorilla-face. (you know who I mean)

 

[TemplarKormac]

They really should, because it's obviously a trap. Go ahead, get caught with it later.

If Hunter Biden's laptop is any indication....

 

[toobfreak]

That's an insurrection!!! Arrest all of them including gorilla-face. (you know who I mean)

Maxine Waters--- the really sad face of progressive politics. She reminds me of the grandmother in The Jeffersons.

 

[d0gbreath]

If Hunter Biden's laptop is any indication....

Not even close to being on the same scale.

 

[Oddball]

Looks like they need to go back and get more acting lessons from Hollywood.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Obama appointed judge. Defy the judge.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The ruling was issued ex parte. In other words, Trump and his team were not present to defend against the suit brought against them by the Democrat Attorneys General. Ex parte rulings ignore the due process rights of the defendants and should thus themselves be ignored.

Grok:

1. Definition of Ex Parte Hearing: An ex parte hearing is one where only one party to a lawsuit is present or represented. This is generally reserved for emergency situations where immediate action is necessary, or when informing the other party would defeat the purpose of the order (e.g., in cases of potential harm or asset dissipation).
2. Due Process Requirement: The U.S. Constitution guarantees due process, which includes the right to notice, the opportunity to be heard, and a fair trial. This means that typically, both parties should be notified of any legal proceedings that could affect them, and given a chance to present their case before a decision is made.
3. Application to This Case: In the scenario described, Judge Engelmayer's order was issued ex parte, meaning that:
   • Notice: Trump's legal team was not warned about the hearing or the potential order. This lack of notice means they did not have the opportunity to prepare or respond to the allegations or the proposed restrictions.
   • Opportunity to Be Heard: Since Trump's lawyers weren't present, they couldn't argue against the order or present evidence or legal arguments in favor of maintaining access to Treasury data. This directly contravenes the principle of due process where all parties should have the chance to present their side.
   • Fairness: The decision was made based on arguments presented only by Democratic Attorneys General, which suggests a one-sided view was considered. Fairness in due process implies a balanced consideration of arguments from all affected parties.
4. Implications of Ignoring Due Process:
   • Legal Validity: Orders issued without adhering to due process can be challenged on constitutional grounds. The lack of due process could make this order legally vulnerable if appealed.
   • Precedent and Judicial Overreach: If such an order stands without challenge, it might set a precedent for future ex parte decisions in non-emergency situations, potentially leading to judicial overreach where judges could make significant decisions affecting government operations without full legal scrutiny.
   • Public Trust in Judiciary: Ignoring due process can erode public trust in the judicial system, especially in politically charged cases where transparency and fairness are crucial for maintaining legitimacy.
5. Potential Responses:
   • Appeal: The Trump administration could appeal this decision, arguing the violation of due process. An appeal would allow for a full hearing where both sides can argue their case.
   • Supreme Court Intervention: As suggested in the X posts, escalating the case to the Supreme Court could provide an avenue for addressing the due process concerns and potentially reversing or modifying the order.
   • Defiance: Although legally risky, some commentators suggest defying the order, which would be a significant escalation, highlighting the tension between executive and judicial branches.

In conclusion, the ex parte nature of Judge Engelmayer's order in this case indeed suggests that due process was ignored, as it deprived the affected political appointees, including Treasury Secretary Bessent, of the chance to defend their position before an impactful decision was made. This situation underscores the importance of due process in maintaining the integrity of legal proceedings, especially in matters involving significant governmental powers and responsibilities.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Not even close to being on the same scale.

When it involves the son of a sitting president, it exceeds this scale a thousandfold. It demonstrated how compromised he was. What didn't happen were the consequences.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Obama appointed judge. Defy the judge.

Ex parte rulings violate due process. Ignore them.

 

[beagle9]

You wouldn't bat an eye, honestly.

Correct, because we know what Soros would be looking for, and who his target's would be.

 

[pknopp]

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What kind of fraud do you suppose the Federal Judge is undertaking and if he is, why isn't Trump addressing it?

 

[Oddball]

Maxine Waters--- the really sad face of progressive politics. She reminds me of the grandmother in The Jeffersons.

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[Coyote]

You wouldn't bat an eye, honestly.

I don’t think Soros is the boogie-Bear you all make him, BUT neither he nor any of his minions, lacking adequate security clearances, with NO ethics training and having signed NO ethics agreements or anything normal federal employees have to do to access those systems, should be anywhere near them. So yes, darling, I WOULD bat an eye or 2 or 3.

Now. How would YOU react? Hmmm?

 

[beagle9]

Musk is calling for a Judge to be impeached for obstruction and ordering evidence to be destroyed. Stay tuned.

 

[beagle9]

I don’t think Soros is the boogie-Bear you all make him, BUT neither he nor any of his minions, lacking adequate security clearances, with NO ethics training and having signed NO ethics agreements or anything normal federal employees have to do to access those systems, should be anywhere near them. So yes, darling, I WOULD bat an eye or 2 or 3.

Now. How would YOU react? Hmmm?

To bad so sad, because Trump is the commander and chief, and he can order audits and investigations into government agencies in which he is formerly (as the president), put in charge of by the American people.