The John Kennedy assassination ..who's who on the Grassy Knoll

[Bfgrn]

the shooter on the grassy knoll is the cameraman A. Zapruter. Kennedy was wired into an electrical system that malfunctioned when he was shot by L.H. Oswald. The camera Zapruter was holding became a part of that electrical current and actually 'shot' Kennedy in the skull with a uranium/plutonium/high energy actinide metal. That's the black blob seen in front of Kennedy right before his head explodes. He was killed by the electrical properties of radioactive elements, the physics of the Manhattan Project. Oswald was the only shooter of a gun at JFK, and the bullet embedded in JFK was sufficient ground to conduct enough radiation to electrocute his skull, as he was actually wired in via his brain to an x-ray propagator. It's how we now have the MRI, cell phones, and the Internet. Amazing stuff, and a true american tragedy. there was a big coverup in 1984 on CNN of what exactly did it. cnn footage from those years is under lock and key because it determined how the politics would be dealt with... unfortunately, foreign extremists didn't like how we did handle it and conducted the 9/11 attacks. Truely a shame as this accurate description will most likely not become American truth for years to come.

It is pretty amazing the lengths morons will go to just to conform. No independent though allowed. Leftist Oliver Stone produced a movie about the assassination. That is the equivalent of Micheal Moore, so whatever Stone came up with, it MUST be crushed.

I have studied this horrible event for 40 years. Oswald was not the lone assassin. The law of physics disproves that fact at every turn.

Need one? Because ONE is all that's needed to disprove a single assassin with a bolt action rifle killed the President and wounded the Governor. FBI tests for the Warren Commission found that a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 required a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots.

Numerous witnesses including Secret Service agents described a double-bang. The last two shots almost simultaneous. IMPOSSIBLE if a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 requiring a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots did all the carnage.

The Double Bang

FBI tests for the Warren Commission found that a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 required a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots. [62] The HSCA made tests in which the telescopic sight was removed to see how fast the rifle could be fired without aiming. Its tests resulted in firings of 1.65, 1.75, and just over two seconds. [63] The only way that the rifle could be fired this quickly was to simply maneuver the bolt action as fast as possible and shoot. The tests were not done with Oswald's Mannlicher Carcano. Whether Oswald's rifle was in a condition where it could be tested is questionable since "the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we tended to move the rifle off the target," according to one of the Warren Commission testers. [64]

If Oswald were the only shooter there would have to be at least 2.3 seconds between shots, assuming he used the telescopic sight found on the Mannlicher Carcano. The three shots that the Warren Commission claimed were fired from Oswald's rifle could not have been shot faster than 6.9 seconds. Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman described the shots as a "flurry." Two of the shots were often described by witnesses as so closely spaced that theyseemed "simultaneous" and had "practically no time element between them." Additionally, there is a substantial amount of testimony, presented in this article, that describes the later shots as sounding different from the first shot. Governor Connally's initial reaction to the gunfire was "that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle." [65]

A double sound, or bang, is described by three Secret Service agents. Two of these agents sat within feet of Kennedy as occupants of the limousine. A double shot was reported by one of the witnesses standing on the overpass.

Special Agent William Greer, the limousine driver, testified that "the last two shots seemed to be just simultaneously, one behind the other." [66]

The other Secret Serviceman in the limousine was Roy Kellerman. Agent Kellerman sat next to Greer and was intimately familiar with the sound of weapons. He described the first shot like many others had, as sounding like a firecracker. But the other two shots, which he officially reported as a "flurry," sounded different than the first shot. Asked by Mr. Specter if Kellerman could describe the sound of the flurry of shots by way of distinction of the first shot, Kellerman replied " ... if I recall correctly these were two sharp reports, sir." Did they sound different from the first shot, asked Specter. "Yes. Definitely. Very much so." Kellerman added: " ... "Let me give you an illustration ... You have heard the sound barrier, of a plane breaking the sound barrier, bang, bang? That is it. It was like a doublebang --- bang, bang." [67]

In Warren Commission testimony Special Agent Hickey described "two reports which I thought were shots ... that there seemed to be practically no time element between them." [68]

Clint Hill, the agent who threw himself into the limousine after the shooting, told the Commission that the second noise he heard was different from the first shot " ... like the sound of shooting a revolver into something hard... almost a double sound." [69]

S.M. Holland carefully watched the motorcade from the railroad overpass. He heard four shots with the third and fourth sounding like a "double shot." He thought some of the shots came from behind the fence on the grassy knoll. "Well it would be like you're firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun... the third shot was not so loud ... the third and fourth shot hit the President." [70]

Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig. "The first shot ... sort of like it reverberated ... well, it was quite a pause between there [the first and second shots] ... It could have been a little longer [than two or three seconds]... " Between the second and third shots there was "no more than two seconds. It was--they were real rapid." [71]

Joe R. Molina. "... Of course, the first shot was fired then there was an interval between the first and second, longer than the second and third." [72]

Seymour Weitzman. "First one, then the second two seemed to be simultaneously." [73]

Ladybird Johnson. " ... suddenly there was a sharp loud report--a shot. It seemed to me to come from the right, above my shoulder, from a building. Then a moment and then two more shots in rapid succession." [74]

Special Agent Forrest V. Sorrels. "There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots." [75]

Congressman Ralph W. Yarborough. "... by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a longer time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots... after the first shot about three seconds another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots ... the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot ..." [76]

Mayor Earle Cabell. "There was a longer pause between the first and second shots than there was between the second and third shots. They were in rather rapid succession." [77]

Special Agent Sam A. Kinney. "I saw the President lean toward the left and appeared to have grabbed his chest with his right hand. There was a second of pause and then two more shots were heard ... " [78]

Special Agent William A. McIntyre. "The Presidential vehicle was approximately 200 feet from the underpass when the first shot was fired, followed in quick succession by two more. I would estimate that all three shots were fired within five seconds. After the second shot, I looked at the President and witnessed his being struck in the head by the third and last shot." [79]

Special Agent George Hickey (in reference to the second and third shots). "At the moment he was almost sitting erect I heard two reports, which I thought were shots and that appeared to me completely different in sound than the first report and were in such rapid succession that there seemed to be practically no time element between them." [80]

Special Agent Warren W. Taylor. "In the instant that my left foot touched the ground, I heard two more bangs and realized that they must be gun shots." [81]

Linda Willis. "Yes, I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time, and then there were two real fast bullets together. When the first one hit, well, the President turned from waving to the people, and he grabbed his throat, and he kind of slumped forward, and then I couldn't tell where the second shot went." [82]

Special Agent Rufus Youngblood. "There seemed to be a longer span of time between the first and the second shot than there was between the second and third shot." [83] " ... from the beginning at the sound of the first shot to the second or third shot, happened with a few seconds." [84]

Robert Jackson. "I would say to me it seemed like three or four seconds between the first and the second, and between the second and third, well, I guess two seconds, they were very close together ... " [85]

Arnold Rowland. "The actual time between the reports I would say now, after having had time to consider the six seconds between the first and second report and two between the second and third." [86]

Luke Mooney. "... The second and third shot was pretty close together, but there was a short lapse there between the first and second shot." [87]

Ms. Mitchell (Mary Ann Mitchell). "... there were three---the second and third being closer together than the first and second ... " [88]

Lee Bowers "I heard three shots. One, then a slight pause, then two very close together ... also reverberation from the shots." [89]

Jean Hill. "There were three shots -- one right after the other, and a distinct pause, or just a moment's pause, and I heard more ... " And concerning the shots that followed the first three Ms. Hill said they were "quicker -- more automatic." [90]

 

[7forever]

Did ya catch that B? He may have been shot twice at the end, but the other would be in the back, not head. He is really describing four shots.

Special Agent William A. McIntyre. "The Presidential vehicle was approximately 200 feet from the underpass when the first shot was fired, followed in quick succession by two more. I would estimate that all three shots were fired within five seconds. After the second shot, I looked at the President and witnessed his being struck in the head by the third and last shot." [79]

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Did ya catch that B? He may have been shot twice at the end, but the other would be in the back, not head. He is really describing four shots.

Special Agent William A. McIntyre. "The Presidential vehicle was approximately 200 feet from the underpass when the first shot was fired, followed in quick succession by two more. I would estimate that all three shots were fired within five seconds. After the second shot, I looked at the President and witnessed his being struck in the head by the third and last shot." [79]

I could explain where you're going wrong using that quote, but it's more fun watching you flail helplessly.

 

[theHawk]

Need one? Because ONE is all that's needed to disprove a single assassin with a bolt action rifle killed the President and wounded the Governor. FBI tests for the Warren Commission found that a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 required a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots.

Numerous witnesses including Secret Service agents described a double-bang. The last two shots almost simultaneous. IMPOSSIBLE if a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 requiring a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots did all the carnage.

The last two shots were simultaneous? What the hell are you talking about? The second shot (that struck Kennedy through the neck and also the governor) took place at 223 and the third was a few seconds later (313). With the first missed shot at about 160, it was 8.3 seconds for three shots, not 6 seconds. And guess how many empty rounds were found with the rifle? Three!

And why are you conspiracy nuts always using vague interviews of people that were there, as if any of those people had a stopwatch and was timing the shots. There is NO evidence there was ever a second gunman, NONE.

Oswald was a radical leftwing nut just like you conspiracy nuts. He tried to kill a retired general in April of 1963 because he was too right wing, and he killed JFK because he wasn't left wing enough.

 

[Bfgrn]

Need one? Because ONE is all that's needed to disprove a single assassin with a bolt action rifle killed the President and wounded the Governor. FBI tests for the Warren Commission found that a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 required a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots.

Numerous witnesses including Secret Service agents described a double-bang. The last two shots almost simultaneous. IMPOSSIBLE if a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 requiring a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots did all the carnage.

The last two shots were simultaneous? What the hell are you talking about? The second shot (that struck Kennedy through the neck and also the governor) took place at 223 and the third was a few seconds later (313). With the first missed shot at about 160, it was 8.3 seconds for three shots, not 6 seconds. And guess how many empty rounds were found with the rifle? Three!

And why are you conspiracy nuts always using vague interviews of people that were there, as if any of those people had a stopwatch and was timing the shots. There is NO evidence there was ever a second gunman, NONE.

Oswald was a radical leftwing nut just like you conspiracy nuts. He tried to kill a retired general in April of 1963 because he was too right wing, and he killed JFK because he wasn't left wing enough.

Vague interviews? Many of the people who said the cadence was: bang.....................bang..bang
were Secret Service agents like Win Lawson who was in the car directly in front of the President's limousine.

Need another? Because ONE is all that's needed to disprove a single assassin with a bolt action rifle killed the President and wounded the Governor.

The second shot did not strike Kennedy in the neck. A bullet struck the President in the BACK, at the level of the third thoracic vertebrae. In the autopsy, the wound was probed and the bullet never entered the plural cavity. It was a shallow wound and at a steep 45 degree downward angle. The only way someone on the 6th floor or the TSBD building could inflict that wound would be to fire when the limousine was almost directly under the window. That would have been well before the President showed any evidence of being hit.

My problem with the assassination of President Kennedy and the official state version of the truth is that the evidence doesn't support the conclusion.

If you are going to play the 'why, why not' card, then why would the Warren Commission start with the single bullet theory. That should have evolved after exhaustive investigations into the most likely explanation...a second gunman. The overwhelming evidence points to different bullets hitting the president and the Governor. The Warren Commission reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes.

I will provide some facts that should create a great deal of doubt in any thinking person.

The Warren Commission never examined autopsy photos of the president's wounds. They were provided artist renderings (CE385, 86) of his wounds produced by H.A. Rydberg under the direction of JFK autopsy physician Dr. James Humes, these drawings made by Rydberg represent the Commission's view of the paths of two bullets that struck Kennedy....

Here is the official version of the truth

Warren Commission Exhibits...the state's version of the President's wounds...

CE385

CE386

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NOW...

Here is the autopsy face sheet (note the location of the body wound (7x4) that is the SBT first wound)

Here is the President's jacket and shirt...

Here is an autopsy photo of the back wound...

Here is the Death Certificate signed by the President's personal physician Dr. Burkley. Note the description of the second wound 'in the posterior back at about the level of the thrird thoracic vertebra'

You don't need to be a doctor or a scientist to see the anomalies and contradictions...

 

[theHawk]

OK, so the bullet actually went in through his upper back/shoulder, and out just below his neck. If you're saying that shot came from the front, it would had been fired from a low angle, within the limosine? If it came from a high angle then the bullet would of continued downward and the bullet would of struck the car somewhere behind him, but this did not happen since there is no bullet hole or dent in the rear of the vehicle.

I don't know where you get this 45 degree angle from either, nothing in the autopsy shows that.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Some people just can't handle the fact that a left wing communist loon is responsible for the assassination.

Just like some people can't believe that radical islamists hijacked planes on 9/11 and crashed them.


Since it doesn't fit their agenda, some people have to make up excuses and come up with conspiracy theories to deflect off the real perps.

some people cant handle the truth that the CIA killed him and the driver shot him.they cant believe their government could do such a thing and are closed minded to the facts

since it doesnt fit their agenda that there was a conspiracy,some people live in denial and have to make up excuses and come up with coincidence theories to deflect from the real perps,the CIA.

some people ignore the laws of physics

oh and since you bring up 9/11,same thing, about the CIA,cant believe their own government coud do such a thing and are closed minded about the facts and ignore the laws of physics and expert witness testimonys that explosives brought down the towers and neocons in the Bush administration orchestrated it all.

you have no answers for these facts in these videos and this post that prove a conspiracy existed and oswald was innocent. the people who believe 19 muslims were behind 9/11 and that oswald did it,need to get off that weed they been smoking.


oh and by the way,your obviously ignorant to the fact that even the government itself admitted in the 70's that the warren commissions conclusions that oswald was the lone assassin were wrong when confronted with facts that there were at least 5 shots as recorded from a policemens dictablet that day inadvertantly.

they were forced to admit a second shooter was involved when that evidence surfaced,concluding that his death was the result of a probable conspiracy but were unable to locate the 2nd shooter.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...-70-s-there-was-a-conspiracy-to-kill-jfk.html

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j35UxRKDW-s]The Day The Dream Died JFK Conspiracy Documentary - YouTube[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyvRfeLDsB4]Two Men In Dallas - Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

anyone who thinks oswald shot kennedy is a complete idiot or a disinformation agent troll like rightwinger.The facts are overwhelming that oswald was innocent and there were many forces behind his assassination.these are the facts the lone nut theorists cant get around that exonerate oswald and prove he was innocent and there was a conspiracy that nobody has ever been able to debunk.

cause again,like i said,not ONE SINGLE lone nut theorist has even attempted to debunk these facts below.all they say is they believe oswald did it without showing any evidence that supports their belief that hasnt been shreadded to pieces.Here again are the facts below that prove there was a conspiracy and oswald was innocent that the lone nut theorists all refuse to address cause they know they cant counter them.


1.no your just afraid of the truth, been brainwashed by our corrupt school system and only see what you WANT to see which is why you will ignore all these facts as we both know.there were many people who came forward who gave versions different than the governments who wound up dying in mysterious deaths.

2.some witnesses to the tippet shooting reported seeing TWO men fire at tippet and their descriptions did not fit oswald.neither did the descrptions of the few witnesses who said they saw oswald in the 6th floor window.matter of fact,a film taken of the event that was focused on the 6th floor window,shows TWO figures moving around.

3.oswald was sure nonchalent about getting in position and getting up there to shoot the president in the fact that his limo was suppose to arrive at 12:20 where a witness in the book depository said she saw oswald at 12:25 in the second floor room drinking a coke and the limo was running late and did not arrive till 12:30 TEN MINUTES LATE!!. so oswald is all of a sudden a psychic and knows Jfk is going to run late all of a sudden? your funny.

4.witnesses claimed the warren commission altered many of their testimonys,a crime itself that the commission members should have all gone to jail for:yep,no conspiracy there.
the most important one they altered was sandra stiles and another girl who gave testimony they were walking down the stairs in the same timeframe the commission said oswald went down the stairs.in later years after refusing to admit their time frame was wrong,they received harrassment by the police and eventually changed their names and address to get away from that harrassment.

6.witnesses that were there that day have come forward years later identifying themselves in the photos that they were there that day saying they saw a rifleman behind the picket fence.they kept quiet because of all the people who started dying who gave versions different than the governments.they are old and no longer afraid of them anymore and they are talking.Plus Grodens book THE KILLING OF A PRESIDENT indeed shows a pic of a rifleman behind the picket fence.you cant find it on the computer but its in that book.

7.many photographer experts have concluded the zapruder film has been altered which is why you dont see Greer the driver who had connections to to the CIA,turn around and fire the fatal head shot to the head. some of the surgeons said that the bullet that killed him came from a HANDGUN shot at close range so the driver indeed did it.the man behind the picket fence was a diversion to get everyones attention away from him.

8.they have also concluded the autopsy photos were altered as well.

9 at least two days before the assassination,Rose Cheramie,a lady whom a highway police officer found off to the side of the highway dumped from a car in Lousiana,was taken into a hospital and told the doctors while she was still awake before they sedated her,that there was a plot of MEN traveling to dallas to kill Kennedy.the doctors did not take her seriously since they found her to be on drugs but after the assassination,they then took her serious and notified the dallas police and of course she later on died mysteriously after that.How conveinient for the warren commission,yep no conspiracy there.

10.all the dallas doctors said the head wound and neck wound were both ENTRANCE wounds.

11.you clearly dont know anything at all about the laws of physics since a persons head goes FORWARD if shot from behind.Not ony have many people come on before and posted in the JFK section saying they are hunters and have never seen an animals head go backwards when shot from behind,but an experienced sniper from vietnam who had several DOZEN of sniper kills and was one of the most highly decorated,wrote a book about it as well saying he has never seen a mans head go backwards after shooting them from behind.

12.oh and this photo clearly shows this marine sniper and myself unlike you people who are in denial and have been brainwashed by the media,know what we are talking about in the fact his head is going forward after being shot from behind as well.the proof is in the pudding.

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13.finally, the hughes film which was taken in dealy plaza by cant remember his first name but last name was Hughes,his film was focused on the alleged 6th floow window and close up photos that have been shown at seminars in dallas over the years show closeups taken seconds before,during,and after the shooting and there is NOBODY in that window!!!!!!


Now if you were saying he was PART of a conspiracy,you would have a case because of these facts below of unnaccountable bullets found at the scene and photographed but as I just proved,that falls apart as well cause of the testimony of the two ladies going down the stairs in the same timeframe the warren commission said oswald went down.

14.these are the facts you cant get around that there WAS a conspiracy.

love the logic of the lone nut theorists.the warren commission was so biased of an investigation its a sick joke It doesnt even touch on many key facts such as several of the witnesses testimony were altered by the warren commission,itself an illegal act,or the many unnaccountable bullets found that day like an entrance shot to the windshield that forensic officers said was an indeed an entrance shot,or the bullet photographed in the doorframe,or the one on the curb that was replaced two days later and plastered over with,or the one on the street marked by an officer,and the one in the street sign seen in the zapruder film that witnesses saw which was taken down and replaced a day later, or the one where a police officer is seen picking it up one off the grass and putting it in his pocket and walking away with it illegally removing evidence

and according to two women, they altered the testimony of two theirs of having gone down the same stairway the warren commission said oswald went down during the same timeframe.altering their timeframe they gave.

again they altered many witnesses testimony.a crime itself.

you all are also ignorant of the testimony of Rose Cherimae, whom you see in the beginning of the film JFK she was a woman found on the side of a highway in Louisiana by a highway patrol officer who was taken to a hospital and told doctors a couple days before the assassination that there was a plot to kill kennedy.that there were MEN traveling to dallas to kill kennedy.they did not take her serious at first because she was found to be on drugs, but after the assassination,they then took her seriously and called the dallas police,and how conveinent for the government that she ended up dying mysteriously after that.

many witnesses who came forward and gave testimony that did not fit the governments version of events ended up dying mysteriously.in fact,some witnesses kept quiet for many years because they were afraid of winding up as mysterious deaths if they camer forward and talked about a gunman they saw firing a rifle behind the picket fence.Now they are old and close to death so they dont care anymore and are no longer afraid.

you lone nut theorists have no answers for any of these facts.

Laughable. Just because the first doctor to examine him thought the entrance wound was in front, doesn't make it a fact.

Most all of your points are about witnesses who years later supposedly came out with bullshit stories. Why would they be afraid to come out the day it happened? Its pure nonesense to believe any witness that waited years to come forward when a President was assassinated.

The "Magic Bullet" conspiracy theory has been debunked so many times. The governer and Kennedy were both struck at the exact same time (frane 223), as the bulge coming out of the governors chest moved his jacked is noticeable in the frame. There is no way two gunners from different positions could of inflicted these wounds at the exact same time.
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Oswald killed him. Its been demonstrated that a sniper at that distance and angle can hit a slow moving target easily, and yes a skull hit at that angle will explode in the exact manner as seen on in the film. Its been proven time and again, but nutjobs can't believe it can be that "easy" to kill a President.

Besides, if the CIA wanted to killl him, all they had to do was sabotage his airplane at any time. Planting multiple snipers in broad daylight in public? The notion is just so rediculous, and there is ZERO evidence to back it up.

Oswald was a leftwing nutjob, and its hard for modern leftwing nutjobs to accept he killed JFK.

Nice game of dodgeball you play. you dodged everyone of those facts I listed and proved you didnt even bother to watch those two videos since they debunk that propaganda piece people like you have been brainwashed to believe in.those two videos have facts in there that beyond conspiracy did not cover and ignored. thanks for proving you only see what you WANT to see and your in denial.

according to YOUR logic,one of the men on the HSCA investigation committe never wrote a book talking about how he resigned because the committe ignored and did not pursue any evidence that pointed towards government involvement.He just made it up talking about how two CIA men came forwward when the HSCA investigation was winding down and said-we did it where do you want to go with this investigation? which they did not pursue.that never happpened,

nor did it ever happen that E HOWRD HUNT a CIA operative under richard nixon when he was vice president and ran covert operations for him,and was arressted in the watergate burglury and denied for years that he was in dallas texas that day,according to YOUR logic,his son never tape recorded him confessing he lied all those years ADMITTING he was in dallas that day as part of a CIA operation to kill him.

I would post the video of Hunt confessing this but as you just proved,you only see what you WANT to see and only watch vidoes that supports the warren commission fairy tale that oswald did it.

you clearly have no debating skills.you did not counter one bit of information presented in those two videos or any of those facts I listed.you wouldnt last one minute in a debating hall.you got to actually address the information your opponent presents.till you learn to do that,this is what I have to say to your pathetic lies

 

[LA RAM FAN]

the shooter on the grassy knoll is the cameraman A. Zapruter. Kennedy was wired into an electrical system that malfunctioned when he was shot by L.H. Oswald. The camera Zapruter was holding became a part of that electrical current and actually 'shot' Kennedy in the skull with a uranium/plutonium/high energy actinide metal. That's the black blob seen in front of Kennedy right before his head explodes. He was killed by the electrical properties of radioactive elements, the physics of the Manhattan Project. Oswald was the only shooter of a gun at JFK, and the bullet embedded in JFK was sufficient ground to conduct enough radiation to electrocute his skull, as he was actually wired in via his brain to an x-ray propagator. It's how we now have the MRI, cell phones, and the Internet. Amazing stuff, and a true american tragedy. there was a big coverup in 1984 on CNN of what exactly did it. cnn footage from those years is under lock and key because it determined how the politics would be dealt with... unfortunately, foreign extremists didn't like how we did handle it and conducted the 9/11 attacks. Truely a shame as this accurate description will most likely not become American truth for years to come.

okay your clearly trolling.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

 

[LA RAM FAN]

OK, so the bullet actually went in through his upper back/shoulder, and out just below his neck. If you're saying that shot came from the front, it would had been fired from a low angle, within the limosine? If it came from a high angle then the bullet would of continued downward and the bullet would of struck the car somewhere behind him, but this did not happen since there is no bullet hole or dent in the rear of the vehicle.

I don't know where you get this 45 degree angle from either, nothing in the autopsy shows that.

wow your clearly in denial. a 6th floor window and no 45 degree angle? yep your in denial. and sorry to break your heart but there was no entrance wound in the neckonly in the throut..

then congressmen Gerald Ford moved the back wound up a few inches to the neck and it was even in the lamestream media amazingly a few years ago,that he secretly recorded the warren commission hearings and gave them to J edgar Hoover.that was his reward for participating in the coverup,the office of the presidency.

you are also ignorant of the fact that all the dalls doctors said both the wound to the head and the neck were ENTRANCE wounds. you wont read any of this of course since you prove you play a nice game of dodgeball all the time when you are cornered,running away from all those facts I listed earlier.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

In fact all the initial reports that first came out that day,the newspapers in fact were quoting the doctors saying he had an ENTRANCE wound to the front of the neck in all the newspapers.

Then when the newspapers dicovered the lies of the FBI that oswald was the lone assassin from the school book depository,Time Life magazine ran a special the following week saying that Kennedy received the entrance wound to the throut because he was turning around looking at the depository,then when film footage emerged showing that to be a lie,that he never turned around to look backwards,thats when the media THEN changed their story AGAIN a to a NEW lie,that oswald was shot in the back of the neck.

It was one lie concocted after another from the very begginning and all you lone nut theorists are making yourselves look like idiots living in denial playing dodgeball refusing to address the facts that prove the warren commission was a fairy tale.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

In fact all the initial reports that first came out that day,the newspapers in fact were quoting the doctors saying he had an ENTRANCE wound to the front of the neck in all the newspapers.

Then when the newspapers dicovered the lies of the FBI that oswald was the lone assassin from the school book depository,Time Life magazine ran a special the following week saying that Kennedy received the entrance wound to the throut because he was turning around looking at the depository,then when film footage emerged showing that to be a lie,that he never turned around to look backwards,thats when the media THEN changed their story AGAIN a to a NEW lie,that oswald was shot in the back of the neck.

It was one lie concocted after another from the very begginning and all you lone nut theorists are making yourselves look like idiots living in denial playing dodgeball refusing to address the facts that prove the warren commission was a fairy tale.

Please link to any story claiming that Oswald was shot in the back of the neck.

Thankies.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The logic of people like the hawk obviousy think this guy is a tin foli hatter as were all the dallas doctors. comedy gold.the hawk and the other lone nut theorists really need to get that comedy club going.

or they could do the mature thing and admit they skipped through junior high school science classes and admit they have been brainwashed,based on how net people can hide behind the computer though,i doubt he is mature enough to do that though.

Last surviving FBI agent at JFK autopsy who 'did not believe the single bullet theory' dies | Mail Online

 

[PredFan]

I'm probably wasting my time but here's a public service announcement designed to help you all seem not so ignorant:

1. Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy.
2. Aliens did not crash at Roswell.
3. We did actually land on the moon.
4. Al Queda operatives flew three planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
5. Those two kids blew up the Boston Marathon.

You're welcome.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I'm probably wasting my time but here's a public service announcement designed to help you all seem not so ignorant:

1. Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy.
2. Aliens did not crash at Roswell.
3. We did actually land on the moon.
4. Al Queda operatives flew three planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
5. Those two kids blew up the Boston Marathon.

You're welcome.

predfan obviously has reading comprehension problems just like The Hawk does.

that seems to be a common trait with all lone nut theorists.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...-70-s-there-was-a-conspiracy-to-kill-jfk.html

predfan cant refute the facts so like all lone nut theorists,he can only troll in defeat.comedy gold.

 

[Bfgrn]

I'm probably wasting my time but here's a public service announcement designed to help you all seem not so ignorant:

1. Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy.
2. Aliens did not crash at Roswell.
3. We did actually land on the moon.
4. Al Queda operatives flew three planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
5. Those two kids blew up the Boston Marathon.

You're welcome.

4 out of 5 is a good average. And it is deceitful and ignorant to try to lump them together.

Any citizen who has studied the physical, medical, forensic and expert witness testimony in the assassination of President Kennedy and then makes a blanket statement that Oswald acted alone is a first class brainwashed conformist and statist. The government LIED to us. Something you right wing turds tell us every day, EXCEPT in this case. Even though we have verification that the White House, the FBI and the Justice Department decided the day after Oswald was silenced: "The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

Memo from Nicholas deB. Katzenbach, Deputy Attorney General

November 25, 1963

MEMORANDUM FOR MR. MOYERS

It is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy's Assassination be made public in a way which will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now.

1. The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial.

2. Speculation about Oswald's motivation ought to be cut off, and we should have some basis for rebutting thought that this was a Communist conspiracy or (as the Iron Curtain press is saying) a right-wing conspiracy to blame it on the Communists. Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat-- too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.). The Dallas police have put out statements on the Communist conspiracy theory, and it was they who were in charge when he was shot and thus silenced.

3. The matter has been handled thus far with neither dignity nor conviction. Facts have been mixed with rumour and speculation. We can scarcely let the world see us totally in the image of the Dallas police when our President is murdered.

I think this objective may be satisfied by making public as soon as possible a complete and thorough FBI report on Oswald and the assassination. This may run into the difficulty of pointing to in- consistencies between this report and statements by Dallas police officials. But the reputation of the Bureau is such that it may do the whole job. The only other step would be the appointment of a Presidential Commission of unimpeachable personnel to review and examine the evidence and announce its conclusions. This has both advantages and disadvantages. It think it can await publication of the FBI report and public reaction to it here and abroad.

I think, however, that a statement that all the facts will be made public property in an orderly and responsible way should be made now. We need something to head off public speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort.

Nicholas deB. Katzenbach

Deputy Attorney General

 

[Rat in the Hat]

In fact all the initial reports that first came out that day,the newspapers in fact were quoting the doctors saying he had an ENTRANCE wound to the front of the neck in all the newspapers.

Then when the newspapers dicovered the lies of the FBI that oswald was the lone assassin from the school book depository,Time Life magazine ran a special the following week saying that Kennedy received the entrance wound to the throut because he was turning around looking at the depository,then when film footage emerged showing that to be a lie,that he never turned around to look backwards,thats when the media THEN changed their story AGAIN a to a NEW lie,that oswald was shot in the back of the neck.

It was one lie concocted after another from the very begginning and all you lone nut theorists are making yourselves look like idiots living in denial playing dodgeball refusing to address the facts that prove the warren commission was a fairy tale.

Please link to any story claiming that Oswald was shot in the back of the neck.

Thankies.

Bump for Rimjob to ignore again.

 

[7forever]

The JFKHistory forum is now closed. It's primary function was to lend a bit of badly
needed sanity to the JFK case, but in recent times it has done exactly the opposite. I
do want to thank everyone who has contributed over the years - even those whose beliefs
are extreme.

Robert Harris

 

[LA RAM FAN]

edit out.wrong thread by mistake.

 

[7forever]

It's not about rubbing it in, but setting the record straight. Many eye, ear, and nose witnesses supported a shot in or around the Presidential limo. The three films showing all or parts of the assassination confirm these accounts.

Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. "The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire", he said. "The Senator was two or three cars behind Jfk's, with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital.

Royce Skelton's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses) Posner vs Harris

(Skelton was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BALL - Did you see the President's car turn on Elm Street?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes, sir; I saw the car carrying the Presidential flag turn.
Mr. BALL - And did you hear something soon after that?
Mr. SKELTON - Just about the same time the car straightened up - got around the corner - I heard two shots, but I didn't know at the time they were shots.
Mr. BALL - Where did they seem to come from?
Mr. SKELTON - Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still to far from where I was.
Mr. BALL - Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing?
Mr. SKELTON - No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there - more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumb balls that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement.
Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction?
Mr. SKELTON - Towards the President's car.
Mr. BALL - From the President's car.
Mr. SKELTON - right around the motorcycles and all that - I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away.
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. SKELTON - I stood there from about 12:15 until the time the President was shot.
Mr. BALL - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. SKELTON - I think I heard four - I mean - I couldn't be sure.
Mr. BALL - You think you heard four?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.