The John Kennedy assassination ..who's who on the Grassy Knoll

[LA RAM FAN]

You need to pay closer attention. What I said was: There were no TV cameras in Dealey Plaza, only amateur photographers.

should have said was "there were TV "film" cameras in the plaza". in those days they would shoot a roll and have a"runner" take it back to the station for processing.
hence the term "film at eleven"
video tape or rotoscope as it was called then was for the most part too cumbersome to use outdoors.

odd that oswald's assassination was caught on tape.

There were no TV "film" cameras in the plaza. It was the end of the motorcade. The crowds were thin. They were seconds from jumping on the Stemmons Freeway to head the the Trade Mart.

The assassination was caught on a 8 mm Bell & Howell Zoomatic Director Series Model 414 PD home movie camera by amateur photographer Abraham Zapruder.

The Zapruder film was never seen by the public until March 6, 1975 on the ABC late-night television show Good Night America (hosted by Geraldo Rivera), assassination researchers Robert Groden and Dick Gregory presented the first-ever network television showing of the Zapruder home movie. The public's response and outrage to that first television showing quickly led to the forming of the Hart-Schweiker investigation, contributed to the Church Committee Investigation on Intelligence Activities by the United States, and resulted in the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigation.

The only professional photos in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination were taken by James Altgens, an American photographer and field reporter for the Associated Press.

Kid troll Daws only sees what he wants to see.you might as well be talking to a brick wall.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

There were witnesses who saw 2 men fire from the grassy knoll and saw puffs of smoke.

JFK - The Death of Eyewitness Lee Bowers - YouTube

yes anybody who has done any serious research on this knows that a few witnesses said they saw a gunman behind the picket fence with a rifle which was a diversion to get everybodys attention away from Greer. also the laws of physics show this guy slept through junior high school science classes in the fact your head never goes backwards from a rear end shot even Dan Rather the only person allowed to view the zapruder film before the whole world was able to and the only journalist to do so,said Kennedys head went forward.Rather lied because he knew about the laws of physics.when he learned the warren commission said oswald did it,he changed his story and stuck with it.

Anyone who has done any serious research would be aware that people in Dealey Plaza instinctively ran up the grassy knoll where shots were fired.

JFK - Mark Bell JFK Film Enhanced - YouTube

they would also know about the handful or so that saw a gunman behind the picket fence with a rifle who after giving their testimonys to the dallas police were harrrassed and intimidated to change their story and how many people like Lee Bowers who testified to the warren commission and gave information to them that did not go along with their version of events,wound up dying in mysterious deaths and that many credible witnesses were not called to testify and many said the commission altered their testimonys a crime the commission members all should have gone to jail for.

Grodens Book backs up those handful of witnesses as well.He has enhanced photos of the picket fence and you can see a man with a rifle behind it. other witnesses on the knoll also said the gunshots were so loud and just a few feet away from them that they instintively hit the grass covering their kids like at father did with his son and at least one of them was an experienced combat man who served in world war two.so much for that guys case that the head shot came from the dal tech building.there were shots fired from the dal tech building no doubt but the best researchers think it was the shot that hit him in the back that came from the dal tech building.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The gif that's all over the web was enhanced, but this is the original pulled from Groden's clip which was probably done in the eighties or nineties.

I had it enhanced back in January, 2011. It very clearly shows his left arm crossing with the headshot. A lot of well known researchers have known of Greer's guilt for decades and kept it under wraps but the information age finally caught up with this epic blunder committed by government in 1963.

Dailymotion - jfk assassination films-orville nix - a News & Politics video 1:09

that bottom photo CLEARLY shows Greer turning around raising his left arm towards Kennedy.Its even greater when in slow motion like seven has shown here before many times.

Even that wacko John connor on that other board was able to acknowledge that about Greer.something these lone nut theorist trolls refuse to do .

 

[LA RAM FAN]

There were witnesses who saw 2 men fire from the grassy knoll and saw puffs of smoke.

JFK - The Death of Eyewitness Lee Bowers - YouTube

yes anybody who has done any serious research on this knows that a few witnesses said they saw a gunman behind the picket fence with a rifle which was a diversion to get everybodys attention away from Greer. also the laws of physics show this guy slept through junior high school science classes in the fact your head never goes backwards from a rear end shot even Dan Rather the only person allowed to view the zapruder film before the whole world was able to and the only journalist to do so,said Kennedys head went forward.Rather lied because he knew about the laws of physics.when he learned the warren commission said oswald did it,he changed his story and stuck with it.

Anyone who has done any serious research would be aware that people in Dealey Plaza instinctively ran up the grassy knoll where shots were fired.

JFK - Mark Bell JFK Film Enhanced - YouTube

you made a great point about Jesse Curry once to troll agent Candycunt,something that the other trolls like Irrationalist will ignore.it got me to looking more into Curry and here is something else really interesting here involving Curry.

Jesse Curry : Biography

 

[candycorn]

The driver did not kill the President. It is ridiculous.

The driver did kill the President. It is obvious. The grassy knoll is an old and easily debunked theory. It is laughable that kooks still post that nonsense.

If Greer wanted to kill the President, WHY would he do it in broad daylight? He had access to the President in private settings... you really need to THINK. There was another Secret Service agent in the limo along with the President's wife, the Governor of Texas and his wife, plus a carload of very loyal agents in the Queen Mary just behind the President.

Excellent point, totally irrefutable.

 

[katsung47]

My experience that the Feds admitted they killed Kennedy.

17. They killed President Kennedy

After I found I became the murder target of law enforcement agency, I visited D.A.'s office, DEA, FBI, Federal attorney's office.... .But they denied any involvement. Some government department suggested me to ask for help from local police department. Local police department said they need solid evidence such as gun, bullet. But how could I hold microwave in the air if they shoot it next door. I could only complain this to people I knew.

I had a customer whom came every half year or so. One Saturday, she came to buy something. I talked about events happened recently and expressed disappointment about system. She didn't say anything and left.

Next day, I was surprised to see her coming again. She didn't buy anything. She simply talked about the murdering issue I told her yesterday and left right away after leaving a word:" So what, they even killed President Kennedy."

I was shocked. Obviously she was coming to deliver the word of scorn and intimidation for FBI. There was no DEA when JFK was assassinated.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here just before Katsung posted.

happened yesterday at 2:26 am.

 

[daws101]

My experience that the Feds admitted they killed Kennedy.

17. They killed President Kennedy

After I found I became the murder target of law enforcement agency, I visited D.A.'s office, DEA, FBI, Federal attorney's office.... .But they denied any involvement. Some government department suggested me to ask for help from local police department. Local police department said they need solid evidence such as gun, bullet. But how could I hold microwave in the air if they shoot it next door. I could only complain this to people I knew.

I had a customer whom came every half year or so. One Saturday, she came to buy something. I talked about events happened recently and expressed disappointment about system. She didn't say anything and left.

Next day, I was surprised to see her coming again. She didn't buy anything. She simply talked about the murdering issue I told her yesterday and left right away after leaving a word:" So what, they even killed President Kennedy."

I was shocked. Obviously she was coming to deliver the word of scorn and intimidation for FBI. There was no DEA when JFK was assassinated.

"that was a good story uncle Kat ,NOW PLEASE ,PLEASE PLEASE TELL US THE ONE ABOUT HOW THE VIKINGS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR "!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

still another fart from a different troll.

 

[Obamerican]

still another fart from a different troll.

 

[7forever]

If Greer moving his left arm over his shoulder was innocent then why did they add silly fake reflections to cover those movements in Zapruder?. The nix and muchmore films show his left arm extending over, contradicting Zapruder in the most important way. Notice the fake hand change in size, color, and shape.

FAKE BULLSHIT FROM THE 60'S.

Greer's arm crossing in Nix...CASE CLOSED..

 

[LA RAM FAN]

the smell of candyfags fart so close to you must smell really bad seven.

 

[percysunshine]

Not many people know this, but the original reports were conflicting and confused.

It was a greasy knoll...not a grassy knoll. The Italians were involved.

 

[7forever]

There was a hole in the windshield that was captured by James Altgens at frame 255, but there was a wagon wheel crack that was photographed later, is fake and has nothing to do with the real hole photographed only 1.5 seconds after the bullet came through the winshield, as has been proven over and over. There will always be a hole in the windshield.

 

[Bfgrn]

There was a hole in the windshield that was captured by James Altgens at frame 255, but there was a wagon wheel crack that was photographed later, is fake and has nothing to do with the real hole photographed only 1.5 seconds after the bullet came through the winshield, as has been proven over and over. There will always be a hole in the windshield.

Do you have the video of the driver standing on the hood firing through the windshield and then leaping to the trunk lid to shoot Governor Connally?

 

[derk]

Not here go back to pottersville. It was safe there and you were with like minded conspirarists. They will rationalize your fears and give voice to those voices inside you that are yet free. Seriously go see, we'll wait.

 

[SigTurner]

Did I already say that the head shot came from the Dal-Tex building across the street? I cannot find my post.

Anyway, as the Zapruder film clearly shows, JFK was indeed hit from behind (you can actually see the mass of energy and brain tissue emerging from the front of his head before his head jerks backwards).

What is more, JFK is already holding his throat while Connelly is turning around to see what's the matter. As much as the Magic Bullet Theory is plausible, it is negated by the video evidence: if JFK is already holding his throat, then Connelly should already be knocked over into Mrs. Connelly's arms. He is not. Ergo, there was a fourth shot.

The fourth shot, the one which hit JFK in the head, was obviously a round of much different physical qualities than the rounds fired by Oswald from TSBD. This round exploded into a cloud of fragments (which are visible in the X-rays of JFK's brain) much more consistent with a JHP (jacketed hollow point) round than a FMJ (full metal jacket) round, such as Oswald was using. Indeed, to this day, there remains considerable controversy over the entrance and exit wounds of the head shot. This could only have been precipitated by the effects of a JHP round. The effects of a full metal jacket round would have been much more distinctive.

Since it would not make much sense for Oswald to be using two different types of ammo, and it would have been impossible for Oswald to have fired four shots, there was obviously another shooter involved. This rather poignant discrepancy might explain why it would have been necessary for the remains of JFK's brain to go missing following the autospy.

As far as the Grassy Knoll Theory goes, it is utter nonsense; perhaps thrown into the mix by the conspirators themselves (much like the needless "magic bullet" controversy) just to obfuscate the obvious. No trained sniper of any substance would have taken position behind the fence by the grassy knoll. This is probably the worst of all possible positions in Dealey Plaza. It is far too exposed, and way, way, wayyyy too awkward for a one shot, one kill assignment of this magnitude.

 

[Bfgrn]

Did I already say that the head shot came from the Dal-Tex building across the street? I cannot find my post.

Anyway, as the Zapruder film clearly shows, JFK was indeed hit from behind (you can actually see the mass of energy and brain tissue emerging from the front of his head before his head jerks backwards).

What is more, JFK is already holding his throat while Connelly is turning around to see what's the matter. As much as the Magic Bullet Theory is plausible, it is negated by the video evidence: if JFK is already holding his throat, then Connelly should already be knocked over into Mrs. Connelly's arms. He is not. Ergo, there was a fourth shot.

The fourth shot, the one which hit JFK in the head, was obviously a round of much different physical qualities than the rounds fired by Oswald from TSBD. This round exploded into a cloud of fragments (which are visible in the X-rays of JFK's brain) much more consistent with a JHP (jacketed hollow point) round than a FMJ (full metal jacket) round, such as Oswald was using. Indeed, to this day, there remains considerable controversy over the entrance and exit wounds of the head shot. This could only have been precipitated by the effects of a JHP round. The effects of a full metal jacket round would have been much more distinctive.

Since it would not make much sense for Oswald to be using two different types of ammo, and it would have been impossible for Oswald to have fired four shots, there was obviously another shooter involved. This rather poignant discrepancy might explain why it would have been necessary for the remains of JFK's brain to go missing following the autospy.

As far as the Grassy Knoll Theory goes, it is utter nonsense; perhaps thrown into the mix by the conspirators themselves (much like the needless "magic bullet" controversy) just to obfuscate the obvious. No trained sniper of any substance would have taken position behind the fence by the grassy knoll. This is probably the worst of all possible positions in Dealey Plaza. It is far too exposed, and way, way, wayyyy too awkward for a one shot, one kill assignment of this magnitude.

Yet Abraham Zapruder, a dressmaker and amateur photographer was able to 'shoot' the only comprehensive video of the assassination from the 'grassy knoll' without any problem. You know, the video you are able to compare the President's reaction to his wounds and shows clearly that Connolly is not yet hit.

 

[SigTurner]

Did I already say that the head shot came from the Dal-Tex building across the street? I cannot find my post.

Anyway, as the Zapruder film clearly shows, JFK was indeed hit from behind (you can actually see the mass of energy and brain tissue emerging from the front of his head before his head jerks backwards).

What is more, JFK is already holding his throat while Connelly is turning around to see what's the matter. As much as the Magic Bullet Theory is plausible, it is negated by the video evidence: if JFK is already holding his throat, then Connelly should already be knocked over into Mrs. Connelly's arms. He is not. Ergo, there was a fourth shot.

The fourth shot, the one which hit JFK in the head, was obviously a round of much different physical qualities than the rounds fired by Oswald from TSBD. This round exploded into a cloud of fragments (which are visible in the X-rays of JFK's brain) much more consistent with a JHP (jacketed hollow point) round than a FMJ (full metal jacket) round, such as Oswald was using. Indeed, to this day, there remains considerable controversy over the entrance and exit wounds of the head shot. This could only have been precipitated by the effects of a JHP round. The effects of a full metal jacket round would have been much more distinctive.

Since it would not make much sense for Oswald to be using two different types of ammo, and it would have been impossible for Oswald to have fired four shots, there was obviously another shooter involved. This rather poignant discrepancy might explain why it would have been necessary for the remains of JFK's brain to go missing following the autospy.

As far as the Grassy Knoll Theory goes, it is utter nonsense; perhaps thrown into the mix by the conspirators themselves (much like the needless "magic bullet" controversy) just to obfuscate the obvious. No trained sniper of any substance would have taken position behind the fence by the grassy knoll. This is probably the worst of all possible positions in Dealey Plaza. It is far too exposed, and way, way, wayyyy too awkward for a one shot, one kill assignment of this magnitude.

Yet Abraham Zapruder, a dressmaker and amateur photographer was able to 'shoot' the only comprehensive video of the assassination from the 'grassy knoll' without any problem. You know, the video you are able to compare the President's reaction to his wounds and shows clearly that Connolly is not yet hit.

So, what's your point?

I sincerely hope that you are not comparing the skill required for making an eight mm camera shot of a motorcade to that of making a sniper head shot on a target moving diagonally across field with any number of spectators blocking (including some guy with a Super 8 camera) and then making your exit without being apprehended.

Please, tell me you're not.

 

[Bfgrn]

Did I already say that the head shot came from the Dal-Tex building across the street? I cannot find my post.

Anyway, as the Zapruder film clearly shows, JFK was indeed hit from behind (you can actually see the mass of energy and brain tissue emerging from the front of his head before his head jerks backwards).

What is more, JFK is already holding his throat while Connelly is turning around to see what's the matter. As much as the Magic Bullet Theory is plausible, it is negated by the video evidence: if JFK is already holding his throat, then Connelly should already be knocked over into Mrs. Connelly's arms. He is not. Ergo, there was a fourth shot.

The fourth shot, the one which hit JFK in the head, was obviously a round of much different physical qualities than the rounds fired by Oswald from TSBD. This round exploded into a cloud of fragments (which are visible in the X-rays of JFK's brain) much more consistent with a JHP (jacketed hollow point) round than a FMJ (full metal jacket) round, such as Oswald was using. Indeed, to this day, there remains considerable controversy over the entrance and exit wounds of the head shot. This could only have been precipitated by the effects of a JHP round. The effects of a full metal jacket round would have been much more distinctive.

Since it would not make much sense for Oswald to be using two different types of ammo, and it would have been impossible for Oswald to have fired four shots, there was obviously another shooter involved. This rather poignant discrepancy might explain why it would have been necessary for the remains of JFK's brain to go missing following the autospy.

As far as the Grassy Knoll Theory goes, it is utter nonsense; perhaps thrown into the mix by the conspirators themselves (much like the needless "magic bullet" controversy) just to obfuscate the obvious. No trained sniper of any substance would have taken position behind the fence by the grassy knoll. This is probably the worst of all possible positions in Dealey Plaza. It is far too exposed, and way, way, wayyyy too awkward for a one shot, one kill assignment of this magnitude.

Yet Abraham Zapruder, a dressmaker and amateur photographer was able to 'shoot' the only comprehensive video of the assassination from the 'grassy knoll' without any problem. You know, the video you are able to compare the President's reaction to his wounds and shows clearly that Connolly is not yet hit.

So, what's your point?

I sincerely hope that you are not comparing the skill required for making an eight mm camera shot of a motorcade to that of making a sniper head shot on a target moving diagonally across field with any number of spectators blocking (including some guy with a Super 8 camera) and then making your exit without being apprehended.

Please, tell me you're not.

You are wrong. HERE is the view of Elm Street from the grassy knoll

The President's limousine would NOT be passing diagonally across. It would be approaching at an angle in between head on and diagonally. The President's limousine was traveling at about 10 mph. Not anywhere near highway speeds.

Also, the area behind the picket fence is railroad property. There are tracks and an employee parking lot.

There is more than one witness who saw men behind the picket fence. Here is Ed Hoffman, a deaf mute who was there that day.

Fast forward one minute to hear what Hoffman saw.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veVqYo9I5gg]What they saw Ed Hoffman - YouTube[/ame]

Here is Lee Bowers, a railroad supervisor who was in a tower where could see behind the picket fence.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_wP-kCdQPE]JFK - The Death of Eyewitness Lee Bowers - YouTube[/ame]