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[Coyote]

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[Coyote]

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[toastman]

Coyote, what would we do without you

 

[Coyote]

Coyote, what would we do without you

Sweetheart, can you get us back on track with a rousing IP discussion?

 

[toastman]

Coyote, what would we do without you

Sweetheart, can you get us back on track with a rousing IP discussion?

Sure, I'm just waiting for Tinmore to give me a link discussing the borders of Palestine and their international recognition. 'm not saying they don't exist, but I cant find them. He's offline now, but when he comes back I'm sure he'll post them

 

[P F Tinmore]

Coyote, what would we do without you

Sweetheart, can you get us back on track with a rousing IP discussion?

Sure, I'm just waiting for Tinmore to give me a link discussing the borders of Palestine and their international recognition. 'm not saying they don't exist, but I cant find them. He's offline now, but when he comes back I'm sure he'll post them

Example:

Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

This is similar to all of the armistice agreements. I can post the links if you like.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Sweetheart, can you get us back on track with a rousing IP discussion?

Sure, I'm just waiting for Tinmore to give me a link discussing the borders of Palestine and their international recognition. 'm not saying they don't exist, but I cant find them. He's offline now, but when he comes back I'm sure he'll post them

Example:

Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

This is similar to all of the armistice agreements. I can post the links if you like.

Israel has more culture and identity as the only Jewish state in the world, than Palestine will ever have as a 23rd Arab state.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Sure, I'm just waiting for Tinmore to give me a link discussing the borders of Palestine and their international recognition. 'm not saying they don't exist, but I cant find them. He's offline now, but when he comes back I'm sure he'll post them

Example:

Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

This is similar to all of the armistice agreements. I can post the links if you like.

Israel has more culture and identity as the only Jewish state in the world, than Palestine will ever have as a 23rd Arab state.

For the poster known as "member", do you see the map of Palestinian "costumes"? You made such a big fuss because I described clothing as "costumes" at one time. Obviously, other people call clothing "costumes" too.

 

[MHunterB]

Tinny: I categorically object to using any material which refers to the establishment of the State of Israel as a 'Tragedy' or 'Calamity' (or 'Nakba').

If you want to have an actual 'discussion' you are going to have to find material which is not so blatantly biased.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Tinny: I categorically object to using any material which refers to the establishment of the State of Israel as a 'Tragedy' or 'Calamity' (or 'Nakba').

If you want to have an actual 'discussion' you are going to have to find material which is not so blatantly biased.

What I find detestable is Nakba denial, how can anyone engage in a discussion with a person so bigoted as to embrace Nakba denial.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Nakba: The Israeli Holocaust Denial

Ilan Pappe deserves credit. He goes further than most Israelis in deconstructing the Jewish state’s historical revisionism, which he calls a "Zionist whitewash of words." But does Pappe go far enough?The iconoclastic Haifa University historian has written a book,*The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, destroying the "Israeli foundational myth," which he describes as a "sheer fabrication." Pappe sets straight the Israeli historiography. Central to Zionist historical revisionism is Nakba (catastrophe) denial. Pappe affirms the occurrence of the Nakba which he states was not a "voluntary flight" but part of a Zionist blueprint (Plan Dalet) for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. It was ethnic cleansing, but was it not also something more sinister?Pappe identifies the perpetrators of the Nakba as the "heroes of the Jewish war of independence," of who the best known is David Ben-Gurion, "the architect" of ethnic cleansing. Ben-Gurion is more accurately viewed as one of history’s vilest war criminals.Pappe writes, "[C]ontrary to claims historians such as Benny Morris have made, Plan Dalet was handed down to the brigade officers not as vague guidelines, but as clear-cut operational orders for action." The action resulted in the expulsion of almost 800,000 people and the destruction of 531 villages and 11 urban neighborhoods. Palestinian villages were literally*wiped off the map*by Zionists. Nakba: The Israeli Holocaust Denial :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dal medio oriente :: information from middle east :: [reg.de]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tinny: I categorically object to using any material which refers to the establishment of the State of Israel as a 'Tragedy' or 'Calamity' (or 'Nakba').

If you want to have an actual 'discussion' you are going to have to find material which is not so blatantly biased.

I feel the same way when people play the blatantly biased terrorist card.

 

[toastman]

Tinny: I categorically object to using any material which refers to the establishment of the State of Israel as a 'Tragedy' or 'Calamity' (or 'Nakba').

If you want to have an actual 'discussion' you are going to have to find material which is not so blatantly biased.

I feel the same way when people play the blatantly biased terrorist card.

Even the country you live in calls Hamas terrorists. IT's not a propaganda card. Hamas , during the second intifada used 'fear' to intimidate their enemy. You can argue that now, they have changed their ways and are less violent, but the way I see it they will always be a terrorist organization. I don't know why you get offended when we say that.

Concerning the borders, you provided very little evidence. And those are not the borders now. Borders change over time . I can show you the borders that Israel has with Egypt and Jordan, but you will come up with your usual, "Palestine has to cede land to Israel' for those borders to be viable

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tinny: I categorically object to using any material which refers to the establishment of the State of Israel as a 'Tragedy' or 'Calamity' (or 'Nakba').

If you want to have an actual 'discussion' you are going to have to find material which is not so blatantly biased.

I feel the same way when people play the blatantly biased terrorist card.

Even the country you live in calls Hamas terrorists. IT's not a propaganda card. Hamas , during the second intifada used 'fear' to intimidate their enemy. You can argue that now, they have changed their ways and are less violent, but the way I see it they will always be a terrorist organization. I don't know why you get offended when we say that.

Concerning the borders, you provided very little evidence. And those are not the borders now. Borders change over time . I can show you the borders that Israel has with Egypt and Jordan, but you will come up with your usual, "Palestine has to cede land to Israel' for those borders to be viable

That is correct. Look it up.

 

[toastman]

I feel the same way when people play the blatantly biased terrorist card.

Even the country you live in calls Hamas terrorists. IT's not a propaganda card. Hamas , during the second intifada used 'fear' to intimidate their enemy. You can argue that now, they have changed their ways and are less violent, but the way I see it they will always be a terrorist organization. I don't know why you get offended when we say that.

Concerning the borders, you provided very little evidence. And those are not the borders now. Borders change over time . I can show you the borders that Israel has with Egypt and Jordan, but you will come up with your usual, "Palestine has to cede land to Israel' for those borders to be viable

That is correct. Look it up.

I did the first time you brought this up, but I found nothing . Care to provide some information regarding this ?

My next question is, what is the border of Jordan in the west ?

 

[toastman]

Concerning the border with Egypt:

The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip. A dispute arose over the marking of the border line at its southernmost point, in Taba. Taba was on the Egyptian side of the armistice line of 1949, but Israel claimed that Taba had been on the Ottoman side of a border agreed between the Ottomans and British Egypt in 1906, and that there had previously been an error in marking the line. The issue was submitted to an international commission composed of one Israeli, one Egyptian, and three outsiders. In 1988, the commission ruled in Egypt's favor, and Israel withdrew from Taba later that year.

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The three key words in that paragraph are "OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Concerning the border with Egypt:

The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip. A dispute arose over the marking of the border line at its southernmost point, in Taba. Taba was on the Egyptian side of the armistice line of 1949, but Israel claimed that Taba had been on the Ottoman side of a border agreed between the Ottomans and British Egypt in 1906, and that there had previously been an error in marking the line. The issue was submitted to an international commission composed of one Israeli, one Egyptian, and three outsiders. In 1988, the commission ruled in Egypt's favor, and Israel withdrew from Taba later that year.

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The three key words in that paragraph are "OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS"

Seven key words.

This article needs additional citations for verification.

 

[toastman]

Wow, is that all you got ??

 

[toastman]

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document (26 March 1979)

Completely forgot about this site. This should clarify everything for you.

 

[toastman]

BTW, nowhere on that site does it say "This article needs additional citations for verifications".
So unfortunately for you , you're going to have to come up with an ACTUAL rebuttal .