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[surada]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
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Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Egypt ruled Sinai and Canaan. Scholars think the Hebrews were northcoast Canaanites from Urfa near Haran.

 

[surada]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt in several dynasties.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jews in Ancient Egypt – Pearl of Great Price Central

Jews in Ancient Egypt

Book of Abraham Insight #11 The Egyptian papyri acquired by Joseph Smith in 1835 can be confidently dated to many centuries after Abraham’s lifetime. Based on a number of different criteria, it can be determined that the papyri were written in a period when Egypt was ruled by a dynasty of Greek...

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During the Greco-Roman period of Egyptian history (circa 300 BC–AD 400), ancient Jews built communities in many parts of Egypt. The city of Alexandria on the coast of the Mediterranean was home to a sizable Jewish community. Other Egyptian sites such as Leontopolis, Oxyrynchus, Thebes, and locations in the Fayum likewise had a Jewish presence.

 

[surada]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt in several dynasties.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Right. Some say Isaac was the child of Pharaoh.

 

[rylah]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Egypt ruled Sinai and Canaan. Scholars think the Hebrews were northcoast Canaanites from Urfa near Haran.

Various scholars have different theories,
and all of them will tell you their science is experimental.

With every new theory and piece of artifact,
hundreds and thousands of years shift,
and assumptions contradicted.

The dishonesty of yours doesn't change.

 

[rylah]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt in several dynasties.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Right. Some say Isaac was the child of Pharaoh.

Again making up things on the go, says who?

He was the one who never left the land.

 

[surada]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt in several dynasties.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Right. Some say Isaac was the child of Pharaoh.

Again making up things on the go, says who?

He was the one who never left the land.

Well, it might explain your claim that Egypt had Jewish Pharaohs.

Musing of a Progressive Christian Layman: Was Isaac the Son of Pharaoh?

Let me play Devil’s Advocate, something I really enjoy doing. In this instance, I want to present an alternative position from the accepted norm. I have recently read speculation that Isaac was the son of Pharaoh Thutmose (or Tuthmosis) III. If he wasn’t Abraham’s son, that might explain why...

progressivechristianity.org

 

[rylah]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt in several dynasties.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Right. Some say Isaac was the child of Pharaoh.

Again making up things on the go, says who?

He was the one who never left the land.

Well, it might explain your claim that Egypt had Jewish Pharaohs.

Musing of a Progressive Christian Layman: Was Isaac the Son of Pharaoh?

Let me play Devil’s Advocate, something I really enjoy doing. In this instance, I want to present an alternative position from the accepted norm. I have recently read speculation that Isaac was the son of Pharaoh Thutmose (or Tuthmosis) III. If he wasn’t Abraham’s son, that might explain why...

progressivechristianity.org

And this makes sense how? You still don't understand.
He had a child with Pharaoh's daughter, his wife's servant.

 

[surada]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt in several dynasties.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Right. Some say Isaac was the child of Pharaoh.

Again making up things on the go, says who?

He was the one who never left the land.

Well, it might explain your claim that Egypt had Jewish Pharaohs.

Musing of a Progressive Christian Layman: Was Isaac the Son of Pharaoh?

Let me play Devil’s Advocate, something I really enjoy doing. In this instance, I want to present an alternative position from the accepted norm. I have recently read speculation that Isaac was the son of Pharaoh Thutmose (or Tuthmosis) III. If he wasn’t Abraham’s son, that might explain why...

progressivechristianity.org

And this makes sense how?
He had a child with Pharaoh's daughter, his wife's servant.

Abraham pretended that Sarah was his sister so she went to live in Pharaoh's harem as his wife..

 

[rylah]

I can't imagine believing those stories are history.. They are foundation myths and morality tales.

Personally, I believe humans can live 100 years or more.
-

Some few live to be 100, but life expectancy has improved..In ancient times people married in their teens, raised families and lived into their 50s.. Living to be 75 was very old age.

Link to 4-5,000 years ago?

History circumcision ancient Egypt
Herodotus, writing in the 5th century BCE, wrote that the Egyptians "practise circumcision for the sake of cleanliness, considering it better to be cleanly than comely.". Gollaher (2000) considered circumcision in ancient Egypt to be a mark of passage from childhood to adulthood.
History of male circumcision - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_male_circumcision

History of circumcision - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice deflection,
now try address the point.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is older than Judaism or Genesis.

So you're making my point even stronger,
contradicting the 'no evidence' of Israelite presence in Egypt.

It's all in your face, you just can't make up which lie to stick with
so end up further proving what I say from several directions.

We were not only there - our ancestors ruled Egypt in several dynasties.

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Right. Some say Isaac was the child of Pharaoh.

Again making up things on the go, says who?

He was the one who never left the land.

Well, it might explain your claim that Egypt had Jewish Pharaohs.

Musing of a Progressive Christian Layman: Was Isaac the Son of Pharaoh?

Let me play Devil’s Advocate, something I really enjoy doing. In this instance, I want to present an alternative position from the accepted norm. I have recently read speculation that Isaac was the son of Pharaoh Thutmose (or Tuthmosis) III. If he wasn’t Abraham’s son, that might explain why...

progressivechristianity.org

And this makes sense how?
He had a child with Pharaoh's daughter, his wife's servant.

Abraham pretended that Sarah was his sister so she went to live in Pharaoh's harem as his wife..

So what changed her inability to bear children for 80 years?
When you pick and choose you stumble.

Do try to make some basic sense,
try once for a change.

 

[rylah]

So what does this give you surada,

from "no evidence' of Israelites in Egypt",
to the twisted opposite "Isaac is Pharaoh's son".

Were they in Egypt or not,
were they the rulers of Egypt or not?

Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[surada]

So what does this give you surada,

from "no evidence' of Israelites in Egypt",
to the twisted opposite "Isaac is Pharaoh's son".

Were they in Egypt or not,
were they the rulers of Egypt or not?

Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Everybody went to the Nile Delta during famine and drought. The point is that Jewish scholars and archaeologists as well as Egyptian scholars and archaeologists say there is simply no evidence.

The speculation that Isaac is the son of pharaoh is fueled by claims that Jews ruled Egypt and/or there were Jewish Pharaohs.

 

[rylah]

So what does this give you surada,

from "no evidence' of Israelites in Egypt",
to the twisted opposite "Isaac is Pharaoh's son".

Were they in Egypt or not,
were they the rulers of Egypt or not?

Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Everybody went to the Nile Delta during famine and drought. The point is that Jewish scholars and archaeologists as well as Egyptian scholars and archaeologists say there is simply no evidence.

The speculation that Isaac is the son of pharaoh is fueled by claims that Jews ruled Egypt and/or there were Jewish Pharaohs.

Do you even understand you've entirely contradicted yourself
right in the first sentence?

See, that's why we were rulers of Egypt,
when Arabs were still burying their daughters alive in the desert during Jahilliyah.

 

[surada]

So what does this give you surada,

from "no evidence' of Israelites in Egypt",
to the twisted opposite "Isaac is Pharaoh's son".

Were they in Egypt or not,
were they the rulers of Egypt or not?

Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Everybody went to the Nile Delta during famine and drought. The point is that Jewish scholars and archaeologists as well as Egyptian scholars and archaeologists say there is simply no evidence.

The speculation that Isaac is the son of pharaoh is fueled by claims that Jews ruled Egypt and/or there were Jewish Pharaohs.

Do you even understand you've entirely contradicted yourself
right in the first sentence?

No I didn't.. Exodus is an important story of redemption, but it probably isn't historically accurate.

Some people like yourself are defensive about it.. and claim that Jews ruled Egypt and had Jewish Pharoahs.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Just curious from viewing your threads. When you were just a tiny little fellow, did someone drop you on your head?

Yes, but I bounced back better than ever

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[watchingfromafar]

that Jews ruled Egypt and/or there were Jewish Pharaohs.

A Jew did rule over Egypt, his name was Joseph​

(Gen 41:39 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:
(Gen 41:40 KJV) Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
(Gen 41:42 KJV) And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;
(Gen 41:44 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.
Gen 41:46 KJV) And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh King of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went throughout all the land of Egypt.

Joseph is now the de facto ruler over all of Egypt

If Moses had not murdered a man in the street the Jews would still be in Egypt
next -

 

[surada]

A Jew did rule over Egypt, his name was Joseph​

(Gen 41:39 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:
(Gen 41:40 KJV) Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
(Gen 41:42 KJV) And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;
(Gen 41:44 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.
Gen 41:46 KJV) And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh King of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went throughout all the land of Egypt.

Joseph is now the de facto ruler over all of Egypt

If Moses had not murdered a man in the street the Jews would still be in Egypt
next -

There is NO record of Jewish Pharaohs. There were however Nubian pharaohs.

 

[Mindful]

Some people like yourself

What do you mean? People like yourself.

 

[surada]

What do you mean? People like yourself.

There were no Jewish Pharaohs.

 

[Mindful]

There were no Jewish Pharaohs.

That does not answer my question.

 

[surada]

And this makes sense how? You still don't understand.
He had a child with Pharaoh's daughter, his wife's servant.

She wasn't Pharaoh's daughter. You should be able to read a whole sentence.

Some speculate that Sarah was knocked up by Pharaoh and that how she got pregnant with Isaac.