Zone1 Ephraim and Manasseh..... England and America

I would like to thank you for doing a vastly better job of writing up this topic than I have done so far.

Way to go TruthSeeker!


Do you believe that this topic is critical to the full understanding of possible hidden meaning in Isaiah chapter forty five?

I believe this, but I am often incorrect in some of my ideas.
Dennis it is "Critical", & yet,...... There are many, many Prophecies, & Teachings that emphasize the extreme importance of Ephraim, & Manasseh, as well as the other tribes of the Children of Yisrael.
 
See post #(16).

Quantrill
I absolutely disagree about one not being able to trace their Ancestry back to a Group of People., via Historical Documents, Archeological Finds,DNA, as well as Scripture.

Perhaps in Your Vast Knowledge,.... You can show where Israel's Prophecy (Gen. 48:) concerning Ephraim, & Manasseh were fulfilled?
 
There is a specific DNA marker for the Cohanim, part of Levi.
That's True Asher, as there are DNA Markers for many different Groups of Mankind, but,..... Not According to Quantril. :disbelief:

Thank God Almighty that he is not the "Final Word" in Researching the People of The Scriptures.
 
Dennis it is "Critical", & yet,...... There are many, many Prophecies, & Teachings that emphasize the extreme importance of Ephraim, & Manasseh, as well as the other tribes of the Children of Yisrael.


Exactly, but for the purpose of Jewish Rabbi's in Israel being able to identify where Ephrayim and Menasseh have migrated would of course assist in their being able to locate the latter day Cyrus who may be the same person that they call "Moshiach ben Yosef?"


[Yair Davidiy]
The First Redeemer [MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH] fights against Amalek with total warfare…[he fights against the forces of anti-Semitism]. This was the task of Joshua ben Nun who was [a forerunner and ancestor of] the Messiah Son of Joseph. Aroused by Elijah “Kol HaTor” says [2.71] “Behold I will send you my prophet Elijah…and he will return the hearts of the fathers to their sons” (Malachi 4). One of the tasks of Elijah is to arouse the spirit of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Comment:

[Malachi 4:5] BEHOLD, I WILL SEND YOU ELIJAH THE PROPHET BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: [Malachi 4:6] AND HE SHALL TURN THE HEART OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, AND THE HEART OF THE CHILDREN TO THEIR FATHERS, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.

We have noted elsewhere that one of the meanings of the verse in Malchi 4: of returning the hearts of the fathers to their sons, and the heart of the children to their fathers” is to make people aware of their Israelite Tribal Identity, to let people who are descended from the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel know who they are and who their tribal forefathers most likely were. This is what Brit-Am is doing. Help brit-Am. If you can help Brit-Am please do so. Causes Non-Israelite Nations to Repent “Kol HaTor” says [2.75] The Messiah Son of Joseph arouses not only Israel but also the Peoples of the World to Repent. Jonah the Prophet had the aspect of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in his generation. His task is, “to rebuke many nations” (Isaiah 2). Turns Defeat Into Victory “Kol HaTor” says [2.91] The characteristic of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is that out of tribulation he brings salvation. The Heavenly Ladder “Kol HaTor” says [2.97] A ladder on the ground and its head reaching to heaven (Genesis 28). This is an aspect of Joseph as is known. What happened to Jacob happened to Joseph. All of his deeds were an arousal from below with an accompanying assistance from heaven. Joseph was the son of Jacob and Rachel and had the characteristics of both Jacob and Rachel. Ingathers Exiles, Rebuilds Jerusalem, Settles the Wilderness “Kol HaTor” says [2.117] The rulership of Joseph overcomes all impurity.

The task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to remove the spirit of impurity from the Land through the ingathering of exiles, rebuilding Jerusalem, and the planting of the wilderness. Ransoming Captives “Kol HaTor” says [2.118] “And the ransomed of the LORD shall return and come to Zion” (Isaiah 35;10): The task of ransoming captives belongs to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who performs it by ingathering the Exiles…The Major Ingathering of the Exiles cannot be less than 600,000…They will come with rejoicing and happiness. Comment: “Kol HaTor” says The Major Ingathering of Exiles cannot be less than 600,000. 600,000 was taken to be a key number. It is interesting to note that when Israel declared its Independence in 1948 the total Jewish population in the Land at that time was a bit more than 600,000 which was the key number mentioned by “Kol HaTor” about two hundred years beforehand. Reveals Secrets of the Torah “Kol HaTor” says [122] “And Pharoah called Joseph’s name Zaphenat Paneah” [i.e. Uncover of Secrets] (Genesis 41;45). One of the tasks of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in each generation is to reveal the secrets of the Torah. Horns of a Unicorn “Kol HaTor” says [131] “His horns are the horns of a unicorn with which he strikes the peoples” (Deuteronomy 33). The main task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is the everlasting war against Amalek. Comment: The horns of a unicorn are linked with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. A unicorn is part of the symbol of Britain. Two unicorns appear on the Coat of Arms of Scotland. Many descendants of Joseph from Scotland migrated to North America. The main task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is the everlasting war against Amalek. “Amalek” represents the forces of Anti-Semitism.



My guess is that the following article from Jerusalem would not have been written unless something big was in The Torah Codes that Michael Drosnin explains about.

BIN EXCLUSIVE: Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem
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ADAM ELIYAHU BERKOWITZ
BIBLICAL NEWS
NOVEMBER 10, 2016
3 MIN READ


The Nascent Sanhedrin is calling on Russian President Vladmir Putin and US president-elect Donald Trump to join forces and fulfill their Biblically-mandated roles by rebuilding the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.


Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for the Sanhedrin, contacted Breaking Israel News to announce that the election of Trump, who has promised to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, coupled with Putin’s expressed desire for the Temple to be rebuilt, prompted the Jewish court to send a letter offering the two the opportunity to act as modern-day Cyrus figures: non-Jewish kings who recognize the importance of Israel and the Temple.

Cyrus the Great, King of Persia in the sixth century BCE, announced in the first year of his reign that he was prompted by God to make a decree that the Temple in Jerusalem should be rebuilt.

Thus saith Koresh king of Paras: All the kingdoms of the earth hath Hashem, the God of heaven, given me; and He hath charged me to build Him a house in Yerushalayim, which is in Yehuda. Ezra 1:2

Cyrus sent the Jews under his rule back to Israel with a considerable sum of money with which to rebuild the Temple. The Sanhedrin plans to call on the two world leaders to take up this ancient Biblical decree and support the Jewish people in their holy mission.

Rabbi Weiss explained that the US elections have made the eternal Jewish dream a very real possibility.

“We are poised to rebuild the Temple. The political conditions today, in which the two most important national leaders in the world support the Jewish right to Jerusalem as their spiritual inheritance, is historically unprecedented,” Rabbi Weiss told Breaking Israel News.


 
I absolutely disagree about one not being able to trace their Ancestry back to a Group of People., via Historical Documents, Archeological Finds,DNA, as well as Scripture.

Perhaps in Your Vast Knowledge,.... You can show where Israel's Prophecy (Gen. 48:) concerning Ephraim, & Manasseh were fulfilled?

It is difficult to pinpoint dogmatically when the prophecy of (Gen. 48) is to be fulfilled. It is future for Jacob we know. Because Jacobs blessing of the 12 tribes follows, and is based upon the 'last days', (Gen. 49:1), it could be in the 'last days'. But it may well be for the time when Christ returns and sets up the Kingdom of God upon the earth.

But, just as the prophecies in (Gen. 49) will be fulfilled, so will the prophecy in (Gen. 48). But as in (Gen. 49) also, today, we cannot identify the tribes of Israel to verify its fulfillment.

Quantrill
 
It is difficult to pinpoint dogmatically when the prophecy of (Gen. 48) is to be fulfilled. It is future for Jacob we know. Because Jacobs blessing of the 12 tribes follows, and is based upon the 'last days', (Gen. 49:1), it could be in the 'last days'. But it may well be for the time when Christ returns and sets up the Kingdom of God upon the earth.

But, just as the prophecies in (Gen. 49) will be fulfilled, so will the prophecy in (Gen. 48). But as in (Gen. 49) also, today, we cannot identify the tribes of Israel to verify its fulfillment.

Quantrill
Sorry about Your "Difficulty",..... Myself, I found it easy to find Groups of people, who became World Powers, that could be traced back to the "House of Israel", especially One that became many Nations,

And I absolutely disagree that Yacob's Blessing upon Manasseh, & Ephraim, was contingent upon "The Last Days".

Gen 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
Gen 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
Gen 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
Gen 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
Gen 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
 
"Exactly, but for the purpose of Jewish Rabbi's in Israel being able to identify where Ephrayim and Menasseh have migrated would of course assist in their being able to locate the latter day Cyrus who may be the same person that they call "Moshiach ben Yosef?"

First,....It's been My Experience from communicating with many Rabbis, of several different Sects in Yisrael, & here in America, that the Majority of them believe that they are "All of Yisrael". Yes, a few "Sects"/"Movements" say that there are still tribes that have yet to reunite with the "Jews", but they speak out of both sides of their mouth,.... They claim that these Tribes, will be "Jewish again".

Here's a Major Shocker "Kol HaTor” is one of these Double Talking Rabbis.

And "Kol HaTor”, despite it's proclamations, has very strong ties with Chabad.org
Secondly,..... The Old Testament Prophecies, and including Math 24:,.... Speak of only "One Being" appearing, not two, although Revelation does include the "False Prophet".

"“Amalek” represents the forces of Anti-Semitism"
True, but so does Esau, & Yacob prophesied of what Easau would do in the regard to Yacob:

Gen 27:34 And when Esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, Bless me, even me also, O my father.
Gen 27:35 And he said, Thy brother came with subtilty, and hath taken away thy blessing.
Gen 27:36 And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?
Gen 27:37 And Isaac answered and said unto Esau, Behold, I have made him thy lord, and all his brethren have I given to him for servants; and with corn and wine have I sustained him: and what shall I do now unto thee, my son?
Gen 27:38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept.
Gen 27:39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above;
Gen 27:40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.


 


Why the British are Ephraim!

Contents:
Introduction.
[The seven Major Points:]
1. The Blessing of Ephraim was to precede that of Manasseh in Time.
2. Relative Importance in Different Spheres. Ephraim Lowered himself. Modest. The Pre-eminence of Manasseh is Material.
3. Ephraim to Rule Over Nations.
4. "A COMPANY OF NATIONS" to be fulfilled in Ephraim.
5. Ephraim Represents the Aristocratic Principle. Nobility.
Ephrati.
Characteristic of Putting One in His Place.
Some Tribal Characteristics of Other Tribes.
6. Ephraim Represents the "BULL". John Bull of England, "Land of the Bull-Calf".
7. Ephraim Takes on the Aspects of Joseph whereas Manasseh is closer to Jacob.
Ephraim defeats Edom-Germany.
Addenda:
(a) Sacae (Scythians), Archers, and Ephraimites.
(b) Pommies and Englishmen.






Introduction.
The British Isles were populated by peoples who to a significant degree were descended from Israelites.
Amongst those Israelites who settled in Britain we were able to identify several that are associated with specific Israelite Tribes.
For example:
Caledonians from Gilead of Manasseh.
Dan and Don (of Ireland, Scotland, Wales) from Dan.
Parissi (of Yorkshire) from Peresh of Machir of Manasseh.
Simeni from Simeon.
Iceni from Yacin of Simeon (English east coast).
and many more.
See
"The Tribes".
http://britam.org/the-Tribes.html

Elements from the Tribes of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) were predominant in the British Isles.
Several nations emerged from British Populations. Such countries include the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, as well as numerous elements that were important elsewhere such as South Africa, Jamaica, etc.

Joseph had been divided into two Tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh.

It is agreed upon that the USA and Britain are separate nations.
It is also accepted that in general the other nations who came out of Britain (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc) are closer to Britain than they are to the USA. This is reflected in their being members of the British Commonwealth, their historical connections with Britain, their history of being automatically allied with Britain in every major war (up till now), and other aspects of their national characters.
Since Joseph was divided into separate tribes and since Prophecy indicates that they should be distinct from each other it is logical that the division between Ephraim and Manasseh is reflected in the distinction between Britain and the USA.
The question remains:
Which is which?
There are those who claim the USA is Ephraim and Britain Manasseh.
Others say that Britain is Ephraim and USA Manasseh.
We also consider the USA to be Manasseh and Britain Ephraim.
We identify the USA as Manasseh and the other "Anglo" nations along with Britain as pertaining to Ephraim.
Elsewhere we have written several articles and given seven main reasons as to why we identify the USA as Manasseh.
See:
Why the USA is Manasseh: A Summation
http://www.britam.org/USAManasseh.html
We now are giving seven main reasons as to why we identify Britain and its offshoots with Ephraim.

[ This number seven was not by design. It simply came out that way. There is nothing sacrosanct about this number and we may add to it later.]




Britain as Ephraim Introduction Part A.

Duration: 5.51 minutes
The Lost Ten Tribes went to the West. The two tribes of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh went to the British Isles.
With the formation of the USA most of Manasseh moved to America. Great Britain and offshoots from Britain represent Ephraim.

Seven major Proofs identifying the British with Ephraim include:
1. The Blessing of Ephraim was to precede that of Manasseh in Time.
2. Relative Importance in Different Spheres. Ephraim Lowered himself. Modest.
The Pre-eminence of Manasseh is Material.
3. Ephraim Was to Rule Over Other Nations.
4. "A COMPANY OF NATIONS" to be fulfilled in Ephraim.
5. Ephraim Represents the Aristocratic Principle. Nobility.
6. Ephraim Represents the "BULL". John Bull of England, "Land of the Bull-Calf".
7. Ephraim Takes on the Aspects of Joseph whereas Manasseh is closer to Jacob.
Ephraim defeats Edom-Germany.







Britain as Ephraim Introduction Part B.

Duration: 7.25 minutes
The British Isles were populated by peoples who to a significant degree were descended from Israelites.
Elements from the Tribes of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) were predominant in the British Isles.
Joseph had been divided into two Tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh.
It is agreed upon that the USA and Britain are separate nations.
It is also accepted that in general the other nations who came out of Britain (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc) are closer to Britain than they are to the USA.
Since Joseph was divided into separate tribes and since Prophecy indicates that they should be distinct from each other it is logical that the division between Ephraim and Manasseh is reflected in the distinction between Britain and here offshoots and the USA on the other.
We consider the USA to be Manasseh and those of British association to be Ephraim.​




1. The Blessing of Ephraim was to precede that of Manasseh in Time.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were the first Patriarchs.
Jacob was renamed Israel. He had Twelve Sons who became the 12 Tribes of Israel.
Reuben was the firstborn but his Firstborn Rights were Given to Joseph (1-Chronicles 5:1-2).
See:
The Bequeathment of the Blessings to Joseph: An Outline.
http://www.britam.org/Bequeathment.html

Before he died Jacob asked that Joseph come to him with his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, to receive a blessing:

Genesis 48:
1 Now it came to pass after these things that Joseph was told, 'Indeed your father is sick'; and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. 2 And Jacob was told, 'Look, your son Joseph is coming to you'; and Israel strengthened himself and sat up on the bed. 3 Then Jacob said to Joseph: 'God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me, 4 and said to me, 'Behold, I will make you fruitful and multiply you, and I will make of you a multitude of people, and give this land to your descendants after you as an everlasting possession.' 5 And now your two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine. 6 Your offspring whom you beget after them shall be yours; they will be called by the name of their brothers in their inheritance. 7 But as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died beside me in the land of Canaan on the way, when there was but a little distance to go to Ephrath; and I buried her there on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).'
8 Then Israel saw Joseph's sons, and said, 'Who are these?'
9 Joseph said to his father, 'They are my sons, whom God has given me in this place.'
And he said, 'Please bring them to me, and I will bless them.' 10 Now the eyes of Israel were dim with age, so that he could not see. Then Joseph brought them near him, and he kissed them and embraced them. 11 And Israel said to Joseph, 'I had not thought to see your face; but in fact, God has also shown me your offspring!'
12 So Joseph brought them from beside his knees, and he bowed down with his face to the earth. 13 And Joseph took them both, Ephraim with his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh with his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near him. 14 Then Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh's head, guiding his hands knowingly, for Manasseh was the firstborn.
15 And he blessed Joseph, and said:
'God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,
The God who has fed me all my life long to this day,
16 The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil,
Bless the lads;
Let my name be named upon them,
And the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
And let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.'
17 Now when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand on the head of Ephraim, it displeased him; so he took hold of his father's hand to remove it from Ephraim's head to Manasseh's head. 18 And Joseph said to his father, 'Not so, my father, for this one is the firstborn; put your right hand on his head.'
19 But his father refused and said, 'I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations.'
20 So he blessed them that day, saying, 'By you Israel will bless, saying, 'May God make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh!'' And thus he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
21 Then Israel said to Joseph, 'Behold, I am dying, but God will be with you and bring you back to the land of your fathers. 22 Moreover I have given to you one portion above your brothers, which I took from the hand of the Amorite with my sword and my bow.'


Blessing from Jacob. His brother Manasseh would also be great

The Bible (Genesis 48:8-17) tells us that Joseph brought his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh to receive a blessing from Jacob.
Manasseh was the older and Joseph placed him to his left facing the right-hand side of Jacob.
Ephraim was the younger so Joseph placed him to his right facing the left-hand side of Jacob.
Jacob however crossed his hands over. He placed his right-hand on the head of Ephraim and his left on the head of Manasseh. He placed Ephraim before Manasseh. He did not however change the position of the boys.
Manasseh remained on the right of Jacob and Ephraim on his left. There are Rabbinical explanations that say the crossing over of the hands in some respects did not change the relative importance of the two but it did change the time schedule. From now on Ephraim was to receive his blessing BEFORE Manasseh.

Britain is Ephraim and has the characteristics of Ephraim. Manasseh was to become great AFTER Ephraim.
The USA is Manasseh and time-wise it did become great after Britain had enjoyed its power peak for quite some time.

In the blessing of Jacob to the boys:
Ephraim was to the right of Joseph facing the left side of Jacob.
Manasseh was to the left of Joseph facing the right side of Jacob.

The left hand on the head of Manaseh indicated that he too would be great but he would achieve his greatness AFTER that of Ephraim.
He would come to glory at a later date.
This was explained by:
The "Bnei Yissachar"(Tzvi Elimelech Shapira of Dinov (1784-1840).
[We went into this matter in some details in our discussion of the USA as Manasseh.]

In addition the very Hebrew text hints that Manasseh would become great later, i.e. at some time after Ephraim.
Jacob said:
# He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations. #

The expression "He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great" (Genesis 48:19) indicate (to our mind) by use of the adverb "also" that this would come to pass "also" at a later date.







Britain as Ephraim-1 Precedence in Time

Duration: 12 minutes
1st proof out of seven.
Joseph had two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh.
The descendants of Joseph went to the British Isles.
Britain and the offshoots of Britain are Ephraim and have the characteristics of Ephraim.
Manasseh was to become great AFTER Ephraim.
America was founded by the British and in a sense emerged from Britain.
The USA is Manasseh and time-wise it did become great after Britain with the British Empire had enjoyed its power peak for quite some time.
Britain preceded the USA therefore Britain is Ephraim.





2. Relative Importance in Different Spheres. Ephraim Lowered himself. Modest.
http://britam.org/usa2.html
Jacob said concerning Ephraim (vrs Manasseh), "truly his YOUNGER brother shall be GREATER than he, and his descendants shall become a MULTITUDE OF NATIONS (Genesis 48:19).
The word used here for YOUNGER is HaKatan which can connote "made Little".
The Commentators say Ephraim merited since not only was he the 'little' i.e. younger brother but he was prepared to 'belittle' himself. England agreed to allow the USA to direct the world and to take a backseat in exchange for Amercan economic support in prosecuting World War-2. Churchill remarked that Britain gave away her Empire to save the world. With hindsight we may say that such a process was inevitable anyway but it was not so obvious at the time. The willingness to belittle oneself for the sake of a greater cause was there.

Manasseh to be More Blessed materially!
There are commentators (e.g. "HaNatziv"Naftali Zvi Yehuda Berlin, 1816 - 1893) who understood that Manasseh was to be the more blessed of the two in the material sense.
The pre-eminence of Ephraim was to be one of chronological order and of quality of achievement.
The USA materially was and is greater than the British but the British Empire came to pre-eminence previously and helped civilize a good portion of the globe.

Jacob prophesied that (Genesis 48:19) Ephraim would be greater than Manasseh. The Commentary of the "NATZIV" Berlin ("Ha Emek Davar" on Genesis 48:14) analyzed the subject of Ephraim and Manasseh and after noting that in their camping orders Manasseh always preceded Ephraim and in tribal listings is always counted first he concluded that the relative greatness of Ephraim was primarily spiritual and that in the Natural order of Things Manasseh would have precedence. This description to some extent is applicable to the relative situations of Britain and the USA. The "NATZIV" Berlin ("Ha Emek Davar" Numbers 2:20:
20 “Next to him [i.e. next to Ephraim at the head of the west side in the Wilderness Encampment] comes the tribe of Manasseh, and the leader of the children of Manasseh shall be Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur.”
## Even though Ephraim was the chief standard [when the Israelites wandered in the Wilderness] this was because the nature of Providence in the Wilderness was miraculous. The power of Ephraim is greater regarding the miraculous aspect of existence. Concerning the regular way of the world however Manasseh is greater. ##

The "NATZIV"on Numbers 13:11 (concerning sending one spy from each of the Tribes to report on the Land of Canaan):
11 from the tribe of Joseph, that is, from the tribe of Manasseh, Gaddi the son of Susi;
# Since they now needed to act according to the laws of nature the main emphasis was on Manasseh ##.; Here Hoshea [Joshua] was sent from Ephraim ("from the tribe of Ephraim, Hoshea the son of Nun, 13:8); and Gaddi from Manasseh but Gaddi is referred to as from the tribes of Joseph as well as from the Tribe of Manasseh. Joseph was divided into Ephraim and Manasseh. The Natiziv is saying that in this case it is as if the main emphasis is on Manasseh.

Genesis 48:20 "And he placed Ephraim before Manasseh."
The "NATZIV"on Genesis 48:20:
## In spiritual matters Ephraim had precedence, but in the ways of the world Manasseh was pre-eminent ##.

The prevalence of Ephraim is repeated in Jeremiah (31:9), "I am a father to Israel, and EPHRAIM is my firstborn".


Britain as Ephraim -2. Relative Self-Importance

Duration: 13.23 minutes
The British are Ephraim. The USA represents Manasseh. Ephraim and Manasseh were the two sons of Joseph. One of the 7 major proofs identifying the British with Ephraim is the relative importance of material wealth and power that was to be enjoyed by Manasseh as compared to Ephraim. The British also evidenced the quality of national self-abnegation for the sake of world good. This was a quality of Ephraim. Jacob said concerning Ephraim (vrs Manasseh), "truly his YOUNGER brother shall be GREATER than he, and his descendants shall become a MULTITUDE OF NATIONS (Genesis 48:19). The word used here for YOUNGER is HaKatan which can connote "made Little". The Commentators say Ephraim merited since not only was he the 'little' i.e. younger brother but he was prepared to 'belittle' himself. England agreed to allow the USA to direct the world and to take a back seat in exchange for American economic support in prosecuting World War-2. Churchill remarked that Britain gave away her Empire to save the world.​




3. Ephraim to Rule Over Nations.

In the blessing of Jacob it says concerning Menasseh 'he too will be great But his brother [i.e. EPHRAIM] will be greater than him'.

[GENESIS 48:19] AND HIS FATHER REFUSED, AND SAID, I KNOW IT, MY SON, I KNOW IT: HE ALSO SHALL BECOME A PEOPLE, AND HE ALSO SHALL BE GREAT: BUT TRULY HIS YOUNGER BROTHER SHALL BE GREATER THAN HE, AND HIS SEED SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS.

'A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS' in Hebrew is 'Malao ha-Goyim', literally 'fullness of the peoples' meaning (according to Rabbinical Commentators) rule over nations or determine the very existence of other nations.
The British Empire once ruled over about 25% of the world's population. Many nations that exist in the world today only came into being thanks to British rule and tutelage.
This blessing to Ephraim to rule over and bring other nations into being was fulfilled through the British Empire.
Wikipedia entry "British Empire" tells us:
The British Empire ...originated with the overseas colonies and trading posts established by England in the late 16th and early 17th centuries. At its height it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power.[1] By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people, one-quarter of the world's population at the time,[2] and covered more than 33,700,000 km2 (13,012,000 sq mi), almost a quarter of the Earth's total land area.[3] As a result, its political, linguistic and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, it was often said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" because its span across the globe ensured that the sun was always shining on at least one of its numerous territories.

British Empire 1920
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Source of Map
http://opencourse.uoregon.edu
/pub/phys361/The_British_
Empire_01.html



See Also: Notes Concerning the British Empire.


Britain as Ephraim -3. The British Empire.

Duration: 30.16 minutes
Ephraim was predicted to become in Hebrew 'Malao ha-Goyim' (Genesis 48:19) translated as 'A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS' but literally meaning 'fullness of the peoples' . Ephraim (according to Rabbinical Commentators) was to rule over the nations or literally determine the very existence of other nations. This was fulfilled through the British Empire. It is a proof that the British are Ephraim. The British Empire once ruled over about 25% of the world's population. Many nations that exist in the world today only came into being thanks to British rule and tutelage.​





4. "A COMPANY OF NATIONS" to be fulfilled in Ephraim.
When Jacob blessed the sons of Joseph he invoked 'God Almighty [who] appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan" (Genesis 48:3).
Luz is another name for Beth-el.
At Beth-el Jacob had been blessed:
[GEN 35:11] AND GOD SAID UNTO HIM, I AM GOD ALMIGHTY: BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY; A NATION AND A COMPANY OF NATIONS SHALL BE OF THEE, AND KINGS SHALL COME OUT OF THY LOINS;
This blessing was to be inherited primarily by Joseph (see also the Rabbinical Commentator, Malbim on this passage) and passed onto Ephraim.
See:
The Bequeathment of the Blessings to Joseph: An Outline.
http://www.britam.org/Bequeathment.html

The plain significance of the expression 'A COMPANY OF NATIONS' means several nations each with its own distinctiveness such as Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, etc. Britain itself is comprised of smaller nations such as, Ulster, England, Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall.
We also had the British Empire and British Commonwealth of Nations.
Britain as Ephraim with Kings and a Company of Nations (Goi ve-Kahal Goyim) have fulfilled this blessing.
See Also:
Ephraim-Britain, "A COMPANY OF NATIONS"




5. Ephraim Represents the Aristocratic Principle. Nobility. Ephrati.
Characteristic of Putting One in His Place.
See:
Nobility
http://www.britam.org/Proof/Joseph/joNobility.html

The Names "Ephraim" and "Ephrathite" (somebody from Ephraim) connote nobility as remarked upon by the Sages.

[Jeremiah 31:20]
"IS EPHRAIM MY DEAR SON' IS HE A PLEASANT CHILD' FOR SINCE I SPAKE AGAINST HIM, I DO EARNESTLY REMEMBER HIM STILL: THEREFORE MY BOWELS ARE TROUBLED FOR HIM; I WILL SURELY HAVE MERCY UPON HIM, SAITH THE LORD."

# EPHRAIM MY DEAR SON. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: [the word Ephraim means] someone who grew up in a palace [i.e. a noble]. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Nachman said: [the word Ephraim means] a master and governor. Said Rabbi Pinchas, our forefather Jacob when he passed away coronated Ephraim with a crown and made him the head of the tribes, the chief of the assembly, the most handsome and exalted of my descendants will be called by his name.# (Midrash YaYikra Rabah 2;3).

This Midrash refers to the fact that the very name Ephraim connotes nobility whereas Menasseh connotes representative Accountable Democracy. Ephraim dominates Britain and Menasseh is prevalent in the USA. Ephraim (nobility, the aristocratic principle of government) still prevails in Britain whereas the democratic Principle is paramount in the USA.

Ephrati in Hebrew means someone from Ephraim or a Noble.

[1-Kings 11:26] AND JEROBOAM THE SON OF NEBAT, AN EPHRATHITE [i.e. Ephrati] OF ZEREDA, SOLOMON'S SERVANT, WHOSE MOTHER'S NAME WAS ZERUAH, A WIDOW WOMAN, EVEN HE LIFTED UP HIS HAND AGAINST THE KING.

Someone from Ephraim is called an "Ephrati" which name denotes the aristocratic principle and Britain is still an aristocracy.

[Genesis 41:52] AND THE NAME OF THE SECOND CALLED HE EPHRAIM: FOR GOD HATH CAUSED ME TO BE FRUITFUL IN THE LAND OF MY AFFLICTION.

"EPHRAIM" MEANS A NATION OF ARISTOCRATS!
The second son of Joseph was named EPHRAIM whose name expresses the principle of nobility. Ephraim was to become the dominant Israelite Tribe in the British Isles. For better or for worse, Britain is distinguished from other nations by its monarchy and by its aristocrats.

"AND THE NAME OF THE SECOND CALLED HE EPHRAIM: FOR GOD HAS CAUSED ME TO BE FRUITFUL [Hebrew: "Hi- PhRa-Ni"] IN THE LAND OF MY AFFLICTION" (Genesis 41:52).

The Hebrew word "hiphrani" translated above as, "caused me to be fruitful" based on the root "pri" (i.e. "fruit") may also be rendered as "powerful" and be linked to another root "PAR" meaning bull. The symbol of Joseph and Ephraim was a bull.
"John Bull" is a nickname for England. [In Biblical Hebrew a word may be understood to have two roots, i.e. to deliberately connote two separate yet complementary meanings].
Someone who belonged to the Tribe of Ephraim was known as an Eprathite i.e. in Hebrew, an "Ephrathi". This was the usual application of the term.
The name "Ephrathi" however could also denote a person living in Beth-Lehem of Judah! Beth-Lehem was in an area named "Ephrath".


Eben Shushan in his authoritative Hebrew dictionary ("HaMalon HaChadash", Jerusalem, 1979, in Hebrew) lists alternative meanings for the name "Ephrathi":

"#`EPHRATHI 1. [derived from Eprath meaning Beth-lehem] a dweller of Ephrath: "Now David was the son of that Ephrathite of Beth lehem Judah, whose name was Jesse.." (1 Samuel 17:12).

"`2. a member of the Tribe of Ephraim: "And Jeroboam the son of Nebat, an Ephrathite.." (1 Kings 11:26).

"`3. [similised] aristocrat, honorable [so used due to the Tribe of Ephraim who were considered the greatest and most respected of Tribes]: "Every prince and great man that arose in Israel was given the name Ephrathi" (Pirkei de Rabbi Eliezer, 45).

"For they were Ephrathites, dwellers of the land and considered of refined character and humility" (Haromi, 28 530)

"You are the sons of great men, Ephrathites of high birth, sons of the high born" (Agnon..).'#"

In Talmudic (e.g. Yalkut Shimeoni 1 Samuel a;77) and Rabbinical Literature (Radak on 1 Samuel 1;1) "Ephrathi" is taken to mean someone from the Tribe of Ephraim or of noble birth or both.
Rabbi David Kimchi ("Radak" 1157 1236) quoted (in his Commentary on 1 Samuel 1;1) from much earlier sources concerning the meaning of "Ephrathi":

##"In the mountain of Ephraim may be exegetically explained as (hinting at) greatness and importance. "Ephrathi" said Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi means "Dweller of the Palace" [i.e. nobleman] and there are those [who explain Ephrathi to mean] an extremely great person living in holiness in Mount Ephraim.


In Britain there exist two basic classes, Commoners and Nobility. Membership of the Aristocracy is acquired by birth though gifted and/or rich generous commoners may obtain an "honorary" title for the duration of their lifetime. The Legislature is comprised of the House of Commons and the House of Lords that has some limited veto rights. The Aristocracy to some extent overlaps with the ruling elite and has easier access to higher quality education and to economic advantage points. In practice the average Briton probably feels he has as many or more rights and privileges as anybody else, anywhere. Nevertheless, the British system is basically an aristocratic one with good and bad characteristics of its own. The British system at its best appears to instill in its members a certain unique sense of duty and order and the ability to overcome all odds. The linguistic meaning of "Ephraim" may be taken as not only an entity governed by Aristocrats but also one in which all are aristocratic.

Nobility and the Aristocratic Principle are aspects of the British Character.
Even the "lower" classes in effect consider themselves dispossessed noblemen.
They are not against the system since somehow or other they feel part of it and benefit from it.
This is part of the British Character.

Regarding Ephraim being Britain an English historical work describing the national character of Englishmen justifies our claims:
Arthur Bryant, "English Saga 1840-1940",
1940, Great Britain, pp. 256-259.

#The English working man…did not take readily to aggregate conceptions of himself… He did not want liberty as a member of a class: he wanted it as a man…His fists and his tongue were always quick to assert his independence.

#Not clearly understanding how he had been swindled out of his birthright – home, status, and privilege – he was yet aware of the dignity of his descent. He knew himself to be as good as any man, and better.

#…a nation of disinherited, cheery aristocrats…

# The downtrodden wage-slave did not think of himself as such but as the rightful inheritor – as by ancestry he was – of a free tradition of transmitted privilege. He only wanted to get back his own: to be the great gentleman he knew himself to be, enjoying, generous, and carefree.

The Hierarical Principle in Britain.
A Britisher when speaking to someone else will often attempt to determine the hierarchy of the person spoken to: He wants to know where he stands in relation of rank to the other.
[ This can be both positive and negative, e.g.
On the positive side: He may want to determine where you stand to help you or receive assistance from you.
On the negative side: Whether to treat you with disdain or alternitely with servility. ]
An Australian is similar despite the egalitarian nature of Australian society:
Australians will still search for some point of fixation or attempt to create one by giving advice, sympathy, remonstration, or admiration.
They will seek some type of positioning beyond the transient moment.
The difference is that in Britain the "rank" may be what you are born with whereas in Australia it is what you have acquired. It is still an attempt at relative hierarchy.
The aristocratic principle is still there.

See also:
Why Britain is Ephraim: Nobility.


Some Tribal Characteristics of Other Tribes.

Each Israelite Group has its own characteristics that may be used for good or evil.

An American looks for value in the positive or negative sense.
America is named after "Machir" representing "Price or Selling".
An American may relate more to what one is worth to him or to others or to society.

A Jew will look for immediate benefit regardless of long-term consequence.
Judah is more existential. This can take Judah to great heights or depths.
Judah is prepared to worship the Almighty for the sake of it.
Religious Jews know little (if anything) about heaven or hell. What bothers them is whether something is permitted or forbidden, on what should be done in the present.

A Frenchman will often have a positive approach towards others but still looks for rigidity in relationships.
Frenchmen are often very nice. They have a natural confidence in the innate worth of a fellow man rather than what he has earned, has. This is Reuben with the qualities of a "firstborn".
He has however a certain rigidity of approach.
Even when Reuben is a revolutionary he still attempts to switch one rigid system (with everything set in place) for another.

Britain and British offshoots display the Aristocratic concept associated with Ephraim.





6. Ephraim Represents the "BULL". John Bull of England, "Land of the Bull-Calf".

Concerning Joseph, Moses prophesied [Deuteronomy 33:17]:
"Becor Shoro, Hadar Lo" or literally "His firstborn is his bull who shall give him glory"
This is translated as:
"His glory is like a firstborn bull".
Our translation however is closer to the original Hebrew.
Ephraim who would hold the rank of firstborn of Joseph would be his bull.
[We will explain what we mean by this:]
Let us look at the whole verse in context:

This is how it is conventionally translated into English:

Deuteronomy 33:
17 His glory is like a firstborn bull,
And his horns like the horns of the wild ox;
Together with them
He shall push the peoples
To the ends of the earth;
They are the ten thousands of Ephraim,
And they are the thousands of Manasseh.'

That is how the Hebrew is translated in the New KJV and this translation more or less conform to how other Translations render it.

The original Hebrew however may be understood to say something like the following:

"His firstborn is his bull who shall give him glory,
And his horns the horns of the unicorn [raem];
Together, they shall butt the peoples.
To the ends of the earth.
They are the ten thousands of Ephraim,
And they are the thousands of Manasseh.'

This is how we would paraphrase the verse as saying:

He will received his glory from the firstling of his bull [Ephraim];
And his (Menasseh) horns are immensely powerful as of a Unicorn:
Together, they will butt the nations.
They (Ephraim and Manasseh) will be together until the ends (extreme points when the Land of Israel is the center) of the earth;
and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, that are multiplied a thousands times over together with those of Manasseh.

Manasseh according to the Midrash was represented by a unicorn.
Here (Deuteronomy 33:17) we have the bull mentioned first and Ephraim mentioned first.
Ephraim is parallel to the bull.
We also have the words of the Midrash that link Ephraim with the bull and the secondary meaning ("par") of the name "Ephraim" relating to a "bull".
England is connected to the bull.
See:
The Bull Calf
http://britam.org/Proof/Joseph/joBull.html
http://britam.org/Proof/Joseph/joBull.html
BULL-CALF AEGEL

The Prophet Jeremiah likened Ephraim to an "aegel" which in Hebrew means a "young-bull".
Rashi said that "aegel" was a nick-name for Ephraim.

Jeremiah 31:
18 ' I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself:
' You have chastised me, and I was chastised,
Like an untrained bull;
Restore me, and I will return,
For You are the LORD my God.

Historically this very name "Aegel" was a diminutive (favorite nickname) for the ethnic term "Angle".
The Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vandals, and others conquered from the Britons the land that was later named "England".
The Saxons in England also apparently referred to themselves as "Angles" and identified as such.
On the Continent an Angle was referred to as an Aegel.
[Reference: F.R. Klaeber, Gwyn Jones, see 'TheTribes" ch7, reference 8.]
In Ancient Hebrew "Angle" may have been an alternative pronunciation of "Aegel"!
The "A-" sound in "Aegel" is an "ayin" which may be pronounced as "An". This is still found amongst Ashkenazi Jews.
We thus get "Angel" for "Aegel" both in ancient Hebrew pronunciation (or at least one form of it) and in the spoken language amongst Northern peoples in Europe.
The Angles gave England (i.e. Angle-land) its name. The Angles were also called Aegels. The appellations Angle and Aegel were employed interchangeably. The Hebrew word for young bull is "Aegel".
Thus England may be considered "Aegeland" i.e. Land of the bull-Calf" i.e. l;and of Ephraim!

The English now nickname themselves "John Bull". parallel to "Uncle Sam" who represents the USA. Since the early 1800s the figure of John Bull has been used to portray Britain in political cartoons. John Bull was often shown as a fat, shortish, jovial, middle-aged, semi-affluent, good-natured character whom others may attempt to take advantage of but he will better them.​



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Winston Churchill depicted as John Bull defying the Germans with members of the British Commonwealth and Empire backing him up.
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In some versions John Bull was depicted as a real live bull or as a human being with the head of a bull.​


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Ephraim is therefore identified as a bull and so is England and by extension the British in general. Ephraim equates with Britain and its offshoots.


The British as Ephraim-6: John Bull.

Duration: 10.41 minutes
One of several meanings of the name Ephraim is "He Made Me Like a Bull" (Hebrew "Hiphrani"). The symbol of Ephraim was a bull. Jeremiah (ch.3) nicknamed Ephraim "a young bull", in Hebrew an "aegel". The Angles who settled in Britain and who gave England (Angle-Land) its name were also known as "Aegl" meaning "Young Bull" in Hebrew. Also the Hebrew term for young bull "aegel" could alternatively have been pronounced as "Angle". The British are nick named "John Bull". According to the Bible they personify Ephraim.​





7. Ephraim Takes on the Aspects of Joseph whereas Manasseh is closer to Jacob.
Ephraim defeats Edom-Germany.

We saw in the blessing of Jacob to the sons of Joseph:
Ephraim was to the right of Joseph facing the left side of Jacob.
Manasseh was to the left of Joseph facing the right side of Jacob.

Ephraim (being to the right side of Joseph) is considered in Rabbinical thought to have taken on more of the aspect of Joseph whereas Manasseh reflects Jacob.
One of the attributes of Joseph is that fact that he is an adversary to Esau (meaning Edom):.
See:
Obadiah
http://britam.org/obadiah.html

Obadiah says that in the Last Days:
[Obadiah 1:18] AND THE HOUSE OF JACOB SHALL BE A FIRE, AND THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH A FLAME, AND THE HOUSE OF ESAU FOR STUBBLE, AND THEY SHALL KINDLE IN THEM, AND DEVOUR THEM; AND THERE SHALL NOT BE ANY REMAINING OF THE HOUSE OF ESAU; FOR THE LORD HATH SPOKEN IT.
Obadiah says that the House of Joseph shall destroy the House of Esau. Rabbinical sources identified Esau with Rome and with Germany and sometimes with Europe in general. The Talmud says that only Joseph is capable of defeating Esau.

Edom gave rise to the early Romans, elements in Japan and Europe, in Russia, and in Germany and Austria.

Britain in the past and especially on World Wars 1 & 2 fought against forces that may be equated with Edom. Even though the USA also participated in the World Wars they came in later. It was the British who bore most of the burden and who were primarily responsible for seeking it all the way through.
It was they who fulfilled the task of Joseph to some degree.
Since Ephraim is more "connected" to Joseph than Manasseh this serves as another indication that the British are Ephraim.




We have seen that Ephraim is Britain due to their fulfilling the seven Major Points
associated with Ephraim:
1. The Blessing of Ephraim was to precede that of Manasseh in Time.
2. Relative Importance in Different Spheres. Ephraim Lowered himself. Modest. The Pre-eminence of Manasseh is Material.
3. Ephraim to Rule Over Nations.
4. "A COMPANY OF NATIONS" to be fulfilled in Ephraim.
5. Ephraim Represents the Aristocratic Principle. Nobility. Ephrati.
Characteristic of Putting One in His Place.
6. Ephraim Represents the "BULL". John Bull of England, "Land of the Bull-Calf".
7. Ephraim Takes on the Aspects of Joseph whereas Manasseh is closer to Jacob.
Ephraim defeats Edom-Germany.




Addenda:
(a) Sacae (Scythians), Archers, and Ephraimites.
"The name Sacae was applied to them first, as simply the Tribes; perhaps adopted from themselves: but ultimately it came to signify Bow-men, because they, like the Ephraimites (Ps. 78:9), and the English, were so famous for the use of the bow." - Moore, p. 89.

(b) Pommies and Englishmen.
What's the origin of the Australian term 'Pom' or 'Pomme' for an Englishman'
http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question25820.html
It is supposed to represent
Prisoner of Mother England

There is also a suggestion that it comes from pomegranate.
Perhaps referring to the 'rosy red' cheeks of sunburned immigrants.

Other suggestions also exist. See Also:
The Blessings and Tasks of Joseph






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From: Ephraim and Manessah | Who Is America?



Ephraim and Manessah​

Ephraim and Manessah were the sons of Joseph and Asenath. Joseph married Asenath in Egypt. There is no evidence she was of Egyptian descent; the people who lived in the land of Egypt were of the tribe of Mizraim. Targum Pseudo-Jonathan states that Asenath was the daughter of Dinah, who was raped by Shechem (Gen. 34:1–3). According to legends, we believe she was the daughter of Potiphar. The legend tells she refused to marry Joseph because she was told he was a Canaanite. When she saw him she realized he was not and agreed to the marriage.

Name meaning
In Hebrew, Manasseh means, “to forget all your toil.” Ephraim means “to be fruitful”. Saxon means “dagger or short sword”. Angles means “bull”. We are told Joseph
is a fruitful bough, a fruitful bough by a spring; his branches run over the
wall. The archers fiercely attacked; they shot at him, and pressed him hard.
Yet his bow remained taut, and his arms were made agile by the hands of the
mighty one of Jacob, by the name of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel.
(Gen.49:22-24).

Meaning of the name Angles

In 410 AD the Anglo Saxons pushed into Britain. They were made up of two tribes — the Angles and the Saxons. England (Angle-land) was named after the Angles. Angle is another form for Aegel and aegel was a nickname for Ephraim. Aegel means young bull.

[Jeremiah 31:18] “I HAVE SURELY HEARD EPHRAIM BEMOANING HIMSELF THUS; THOU HAST CHASTISED ME, AND I WAS CHASTISED, AS A BULLOCK [Hebrew: AEGEL] UNACCUSTOMED TO THE YOKE: TURN THOU ME, AND I SHALL BE TURNED; FOR THOU ART THE LORD MY GOD.”

The Land Division

In ancient times, the tribe of Manasseh was itself divided into two half tribes — one located EAST of the Jordan river, in Palestine, and one WEST of the Jordan river, and just NORTH of the Tribe of Ephraim. Interestingly, in modern times this same geographic juxtaposition has been maintained by the descendants of these ancient tribes.​





Where did Ephraim and Manasseh Go after Captivity?

They left the land of Israel and went to Scythia. Here is the proof.

God sent Jeremiah to the Northern tribes to give them a warning. Remenber the book of Jeremiah was written during the captivity of Judah. The Northern Tribes had already fallen and gone into captivity. At the time of the prophesy, they were in the North meaning they were north of Jerusalem, which would have been Europe. They were actually above the Black Sea.

Jer 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.

Historical Proof:

1)Greek Historian Strabo –
“Of the portions thus divided, the first is inhabited in the region toward the north and the ocean by the Scythian nomads and wagon dwellers, and south of these by the Sarmatians.” (Strabo, XI, ii, 1 cited by (E. Raymond Capt, “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets”, 1985, Artisan Sales, pg 170)

2)From Steven Collins,
“we saw evidence that Ephraim’s clans formed the backbone of the tribes which united to form the Parthian Empire, while one of the dominant tribes of the Sacae. Scythians was the Massagetae (Manasseh). Even as the term “House of Israel” included the rest of the tribes of Israel who remained associated with Ephraim and Manasseh, the term “Sacae” was also applied to the tribes of Israel which were led by Ephraim and Manasseh (Parthia and Scythia) while in Asia
.

When the Scythians and Parthians migrated to Europe, the names “SAChse,” or “Saxons,” (“Saac’s sons“) remained upon them as they settled in the British Isles, but this name also remained on some related tribes who stayed on the mainland (i.e. “Saxony” in Germany and “Alsace” in France).

3) “The Saxons were descended from the ancient Sacae of Asia, and that in process of time they came to be called Saxons.” (Frederick Haberman, “Tracing our Ancestors”, 1930s, pg 130)

4) Pliny – “The name of the Scythians is everywhere changed to that of Germans, and his old designation has not been continued for any except the most outlying sections of this nation who live almost unknown to the rest of mankind (Pliny, IV, xii, cited by E. Raymond Capt, “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets”, 1985, Artisan Sales, pg 170)

5) Plutarch – “They were called at first Cimmerians and then, not inappropriately, Cimbri.” (Plutarch, cited by E. Raymond Capt, “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets”, 1985, Artisan Sales, pg 141)

They migrated from Scythia to Germany and Scandianavia. In the first century they were known as the Suebi. They actually occupied half of the territory of Germany. Suebi meaning “one’s own” people. Strabo wrote that the Suebi “excel all the others in power and numbers.”[19] He describes Suebic peoples (Greek ethnē) as having come to dominate Germany between the Rhine and Elbe, with the exception of the Rhine valley, on the frontier with the Roman empire, and the “coastal” regions north of the Rhine.

They origined from the islands near Norway and settled in the northern Germany near the Baltic Sea called Schleswig. In the Ohthere of Hålogaland’s account, a Norwegian account, tells of a two-day voyage from the Oslo fjord to Schleswig. In the historian account from Alfred the Great, the Angles came from the Islands near Norway. Alfred states “on these islands dwelt the Engle before they came hither”.<u><strong>[4</strong></u>

History of Bede, after the fall of Rome, the Angles split up and founded the kingdoms of the Nord Angelnen Northumbria, which is eastern England.

Wikipedia Angles,
“Bede states that the Anglii, before coming to Great Britain, dwelt in a land called Angulus, “which lies between the province of the Jutes and the Saxons, and remains unpopulated to this day.”

Similar evidence is given by the Historia Brittonum. King Alfred the Great and the chronicler Æthelweard identified this place with the district that is now called Angeln, in the province of Schleswig.

“The Angles (common etymology with Anglo, in Anglo-Saxon, and Angleterre—the French name for England) settled in the eastern Anglia counties such as Norfolk and Suffolk. The Saxons settled the rest of England and pushed the original Britons further west in England. By far the heaviest concentration of people who migrated to America from England came from the Anglia counties where the Angles had settled. …Oddly enough the Angles, whose descendants comprise much of America’s Anglo population, gave their name to England which means “Angle-land.” The word Angle is probably derived from the Hebrew word “Eglah” meaning “Heifer of the wild ox or unicorn,” which is one of the animals on the British coat of arms. Instead, England is primarily Saxon and Anglo-Americans are descendants of the Angles” (White, C. M., In Search of…the Origin of Nations: History Research Projects, 2003, p. 394).

Symbols of Joseph

Deuteronomy 33: 17 ” His glory is like the firstling of his BULL, and his horns, are like the horn of a Unicorn with them he shall push the people together unto the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.”

Manessah uses the symbol of the Unicorn. According to the MIDRASH” A UNICORN (Raem) was represented on the STANDARD OF MANASSEH son of Joseph, (Yair Davidy, The Tribes, p.220, second edition, Russell-Davis Publishers, Israel, 1999). The Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom, or Great Britain, there is a lion, and a unicorn standing on its hind feet. Today, Manasseh — represented by England (east of the body of water we call the Atlantic Ocean), and Canada (west of that body of water) — still lies NORTH of Ephraim, the United States of America! In ancient times, the tribe of Manasseh was itself divided into two half tribes — one located EAST of the Jordan river, in Palestine, and one WEST of the Jordan river, and just NORTH of the Tribe of Ephraim. Interestingly, in modern times this same geographic position has been maintained by the descendants of these ancient tribes. Today, Manasseh — represented by England (east of the body of water we call the Atlantic Ocean), and Canada (west of that body of water) — still lies NORTH of Ephraim, the United States of America!

Ephraim was a Bull. In Deuteronomy 33:17 a firstborn bull is followed by a wild ox [actually in Hebrew Raem i.e. unicorn]. America uses the symbol of the Bull. Wall Street has a symbol of a large Bull. Many of the coat of Arms for the states has a bull on it.

Ephraim is the 13th tribe

Ephraim was the 13th tribe
because he was born after his brother Manessah. He was born last to Joseph in Egypt, after Manasseh, the 12th tribe. The US flag has 13 stripes, the US originally had 13 colonies, in the US seal we find 13 stars above an eagle, also 13 arrows clutched in his left claw, and an olive branch with 13 leaves in its right claw, with a shield of 13 red and white stripes. The number 13 is associated with Ephraim and with America! Ephraims symbols were an Olive Branch, while his second symbol is a Bundle of Arrows. The first will be last and the last will be first!

Further Proof:

Ephraim is always associated with the West. Ephraim would pitch his camp in the West with Manasseh and Benjamin. Num 2:18-22.
Num 2:18 On the west side shall be the standard of the camp of Ephraim according to their armies.

When you read Ezekiel chapter one. You notice that the image has four faces — face of a m an, face of a lion, face of a Ox and face of a Eagle. These faces represent the four tribes lead by Reuben, Judah, Ephraim and Dan. Reuben’s symbol was a man, Judah’s symbol was a Lion, Ephraim’s symbol was a Ox, and Dan’s symbol was a Eagle. You will also notice that the Ox is on the left side of the camp which is the West.

Eze_1:10 As for the likenessH1823 of their faces,H6440 they fourH702 had the faceH6440 of a man,H120 and the faceH6440 of a lion,H738 onH413 the right side:H3225 and they fourH702 had the faceH6440 of an ox<strong>H7794</strong> on the left side;H4480 H8040 they fourH702 also had the faceH6440 of an eagle.H5404

Ephraim was to go to the North which is Europe and the West which is Great Britain and America.

Isa 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

Isa 49:20 The childrenH1121 which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other,H7923 shall sayH559 againH5750 in thine ears,H241 The placeH4725 is too straitH6862 for me: give placeH5066 to me that I may dwell.H3427Isa 49:21 Then shalt thou sayH559 in thine heart,H3824 WhoH4310 hath begottenH3205 me(H853) these,H428 seeing IH589 have lost my children,H7909 and am desolate,H1565 a captive,H1540 and removing to and fro?H5493 and whoH4310 hath brought upH1431 these?H428 Behold,H2005 IH589 was leftH7604 alone;H905 these,H428 whereH375 had theyH1992 been?

THEY WILL PUSH WEST

Both Ephraim and Manessah pushed westward. Mannessah pushed western to Great Britain and Ephraim to America. Notice that Ephraim was to follow the East wind. The East Wind moves West.

Hosea 12:1 prophesies: “Ephraim…followeth after an eastwindthey do make a covenant with the Assyrians.

Through Moses, God prophesied that Joseph would “push the peoples to the end of the earth” (Deuteronomy 33:17). Rallying to the cry of “manifest destiny,” the Americans did what Israelites have been doing for centuries: They moved west. “Go West young man Go West”.

Deu 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth

Further Proof:


America out numbers Britain. American population is 250 Million compared to Britain which is 57 Million. “ and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Menasseh.” Deut 33:17

America was to be a land of Refuge

Our forefathers understood that America was a land of Refuge for the Christian people. So the eagle on the American Symbol represents the eagle in Rev 12:14. The eagle symbolizes a place of safety from the persecution that was going on in Europe and Britain at that time.

Deu_32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

Purpose of Ephraim


[Isaiah 49:6]
“AND HE SAID, IT IS A LIGHT THING THAT THOU SHOULDEST BE MY
SERVANT TO RAISE UP THE TRIBES OF JACOB, AND TO RESTORE THE PRESERVED OF ISRAEL: I WILL ALSO GIVE THEE FOR A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, THAT THOU MAYEST BE MY SALVATION UNTO THE END OF THE EARTH.”

The Lost Ten Tribes are linked with the Ends of the earth (Genesis 33:13, Isaiah 41:8,9,13).

The Northern Tribes are lead by Ephraim

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

Characteristics of the tribe

1) WINE-DRINKING:

It was claimed that Ephraim was to become a people who drank too much WINE (Isa.28:1). Wine is produced in abundance in the US, California, Oregon, etc. The British are not known as wine-bibbers, but their drink of choice is BEER — a completely different beverage. This again points to the US being Ephraim, in the majority.

2) It was claimed that: Ephraim was prophesied to become “joined to idols” (Hos.4:17). Idols abound in modern USA.

3) It was claimed that: Ephraim was to be a “mixed” people. God said “Ephraim has MIXED himself among the peoples; Ephraim is a cake unturned [burnt on one side, white on the other]. Aliens have devoured his strength, but he does not know it” (Hos.7:8-9).

Hos 7:8 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
Hos 7:9 Strangers (Aliens) have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.

They began mixing early in their history in the land of Israel. In Judges 1:29 Ephraim did not drive out the Canaanites who lived in Gezer, so the Canaanites lived in Gezer among them.

3) Their pride continually got them in trouble. They showed their pride, jealously, and self-centeredness when Jephthah chose to fight (and defeat) the Ammonites without the aid of the proud Ephraim warriors. A civil war erupted resulting in 42,000 warriors from Ephraim being killed.

4) He also condemned “Israel”, meaning the Ten Tribes, “because they sold the righteous for silver” (Amos 1; 4-6).

Punishment Lifted

Israel’s punishment was seven years for every year they did not let the land rest. Israel’s punishment was 360 X 7 = 2520 years in fulfillment. If we count 2520 years from 718-721, we come to A.D. 1800-1803. America received the Louisiana Purchase in 1803. Her wealth and blessings took off from that point in history.

Ephraim in Prophecy

Ephraim will destroy Esau.
Obadiah says that the House of Joseph shall destroy the House of Esau.
Obadiah 1:18 “AND THE HOUSE OF JACOB SHALL BE A FIRE, AND THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH A FLAME, AND THE HOUSE OF ESAU FOR STUBBLE AND THEY SHALL KINDLE IN THEM, AND DEVOUR THEM; AND THERE SHALL NOT BE ANY REMAINING OF THE HOUSE OF ESAU; FOR THE LORD HATH SPOKEN IT.”

Hosea 12:1 prophesies: “Ephraim…followeth after an eastwind…they do make a covenant with the Assyrians.” A “covenant” is an agreement or alliance. Since Israel and Assyria were never allies in ancient biblical days, this argues for a latter-day fulfillment. Is Ephraim allied to modern Assyria? Yes. Assyria settled in the land of Germany. The British and Americans have made numerous “covenants” with Germany via NATO, the European Union, etc. Hosea 14:3 adds that a time will come when Ephraim will realize it should have relied on God instead of its covenant with Assyria. It prophesies Ephraim will say: “Asshur will not save us,” indicating it learns that security comes from God, not its alliances with other nations such as Assyria.

Isaiah 27:12-13 prophesies that: “in that day…you shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel…the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem.”

Proof Scotland is Judah
It was prophesied that Ephraim and Manasseh would go to war against Judah. This has happened many times. The Milesians who settled Ireland were a tribe of Judah. We know the Irish people moved into the land of Scotland. For further proof see our teaching on the Trojan Kings. Ephraim and Manasseh both lived in the land of Britain and for many centuries went to war with Scotland. Also many of the Scottish Irish people moved to America and settled in the Mountains of Tennessee. The American Civil War was a war between Ephraim in the north and Judah in the South!!

Isa_9:21 Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
 
Dec.16-2019

From: Ephraim and Manessah | Who Is America?



Ephraim and Manessah​

Ephraim and Manessah were the sons of Joseph and Asenath. Joseph married Asenath in Egypt. There is no evidence she was of Egyptian descent; the people who lived in the land of Egypt were of the tribe of Mizraim. Targum Pseudo-Jonathan states that Asenath was the daughter of Dinah, who was raped by Shechem (Gen. 34:1–3). According to legends, we believe she was the daughter of Potiphar. The legend tells she refused to marry Joseph because she was told he was a Canaanite. When she saw him she realized he was not and agreed to the marriage.

Name meaning
In Hebrew, Manasseh means, “to forget all your toil.” Ephraim means “to be fruitful”. Saxon means “dagger or short sword”. Angles means “bull”. We are told Joseph
is a fruitful bough, a fruitful bough by a spring; his branches run over the
wall. The archers fiercely attacked; they shot at him, and pressed him hard.
Yet his bow remained taut, and his arms were made agile by the hands of the
mighty one of Jacob, by the name of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel.
(Gen.49:22-24).

Meaning of the name Angles

In 410 AD the Anglo Saxons pushed into Britain. They were made up of two tribes — the Angles and the Saxons. England (Angle-land) was named after the Angles. Angle is another form for Aegel and aegel was a nickname for Ephraim. Aegel means young bull.

[Jeremiah 31:18] “I HAVE SURELY HEARD EPHRAIM BEMOANING HIMSELF THUS; THOU HAST CHASTISED ME, AND I WAS CHASTISED, AS A BULLOCK [Hebrew: AEGEL] UNACCUSTOMED TO THE YOKE: TURN THOU ME, AND I SHALL BE TURNED; FOR THOU ART THE LORD MY GOD.”

The Land Division

In ancient times, the tribe of Manasseh was itself divided into two half tribes — one located EAST of the Jordan river, in Palestine, and one WEST of the Jordan river, and just NORTH of the Tribe of Ephraim. Interestingly, in modern times this same geographic juxtaposition has been maintained by the descendants of these ancient tribes.​





Where did Ephraim and Manasseh Go after Captivity?

They left the land of Israel and went to Scythia. Here is the proof.

God sent Jeremiah to the Northern tribes to give them a warning. Remenber the book of Jeremiah was written during the captivity of Judah. The Northern Tribes had already fallen and gone into captivity. At the time of the prophesy, they were in the North meaning they were north of Jerusalem, which would have been Europe. They were actually above the Black Sea.

Jer 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.

Historical Proof:

1)Greek Historian Strabo –
“Of the portions thus divided, the first is inhabited in the region toward the north and the ocean by the Scythian nomads and wagon dwellers, and south of these by the Sarmatians.” (Strabo, XI, ii, 1 cited by (E. Raymond Capt, “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets”, 1985, Artisan Sales, pg 170)

2)From Steven Collins,
“we saw evidence that Ephraim’s clans formed the backbone of the tribes which united to form the Parthian Empire, while one of the dominant tribes of the Sacae. Scythians was the Massagetae (Manasseh). Even as the term “House of Israel” included the rest of the tribes of Israel who remained associated with Ephraim and Manasseh, the term “Sacae” was also applied to the tribes of Israel which were led by Ephraim and Manasseh (Parthia and Scythia) while in Asia
.

When the Scythians and Parthians migrated to Europe, the names “SAChse,” or “Saxons,” (“Saac’s sons“) remained upon them as they settled in the British Isles, but this name also remained on some related tribes who stayed on the mainland (i.e. “Saxony” in Germany and “Alsace” in France).

3) “The Saxons were descended from the ancient Sacae of Asia, and that in process of time they came to be called Saxons.” (Frederick Haberman, “Tracing our Ancestors”, 1930s, pg 130)

4) Pliny – “The name of the Scythians is everywhere changed to that of Germans, and his old designation has not been continued for any except the most outlying sections of this nation who live almost unknown to the rest of mankind (Pliny, IV, xii, cited by E. Raymond Capt, “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets”, 1985, Artisan Sales, pg 170)

5) Plutarch – “They were called at first Cimmerians and then, not inappropriately, Cimbri.” (Plutarch, cited by E. Raymond Capt, “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets”, 1985, Artisan Sales, pg 141)

They migrated from Scythia to Germany and Scandianavia. In the first century they were known as the Suebi. They actually occupied half of the territory of Germany. Suebi meaning “one’s own” people. Strabo wrote that the Suebi “excel all the others in power and numbers.”[19] He describes Suebic peoples (Greek ethnē) as having come to dominate Germany between the Rhine and Elbe, with the exception of the Rhine valley, on the frontier with the Roman empire, and the “coastal” regions north of the Rhine.

They origined from the islands near Norway and settled in the northern Germany near the Baltic Sea called Schleswig. In the Ohthere of Hålogaland’s account, a Norwegian account, tells of a two-day voyage from the Oslo fjord to Schleswig. In the historian account from Alfred the Great, the Angles came from the Islands near Norway. Alfred states “on these islands dwelt the Engle before they came hither”.<u><strong>[4</strong></u>

History of Bede, after the fall of Rome, the Angles split up and founded the kingdoms of the Nord Angelnen Northumbria, which is eastern England.

Wikipedia Angles,
“Bede states that the Anglii, before coming to Great Britain, dwelt in a land called Angulus, “which lies between the province of the Jutes and the Saxons, and remains unpopulated to this day.”

Similar evidence is given by the Historia Brittonum. King Alfred the Great and the chronicler Æthelweard identified this place with the district that is now called Angeln, in the province of Schleswig.

“The Angles (common etymology with Anglo, in Anglo-Saxon, and Angleterre—the French name for England) settled in the eastern Anglia counties such as Norfolk and Suffolk. The Saxons settled the rest of England and pushed the original Britons further west in England. By far the heaviest concentration of people who migrated to America from England came from the Anglia counties where the Angles had settled. …Oddly enough the Angles, whose descendants comprise much of America’s Anglo population, gave their name to England which means “Angle-land.” The word Angle is probably derived from the Hebrew word “Eglah” meaning “Heifer of the wild ox or unicorn,” which is one of the animals on the British coat of arms. Instead, England is primarily Saxon and Anglo-Americans are descendants of the Angles” (White, C. M., In Search of…the Origin of Nations: History Research Projects, 2003, p. 394).

Symbols of Joseph

Deuteronomy 33: 17 ” His glory is like the firstling of his BULL, and his horns, are like the horn of a Unicorn with them he shall push the people together unto the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.”

Manessah uses the symbol of the Unicorn. According to the MIDRASH” A UNICORN (Raem) was represented on the STANDARD OF MANASSEH son of Joseph, (Yair Davidy, The Tribes, p.220, second edition, Russell-Davis Publishers, Israel, 1999). The Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom, or Great Britain, there is a lion, and a unicorn standing on its hind feet. Today, Manasseh — represented by England (east of the body of water we call the Atlantic Ocean), and Canada (west of that body of water) — still lies NORTH of Ephraim, the United States of America! In ancient times, the tribe of Manasseh was itself divided into two half tribes — one located EAST of the Jordan river, in Palestine, and one WEST of the Jordan river, and just NORTH of the Tribe of Ephraim. Interestingly, in modern times this same geographic position has been maintained by the descendants of these ancient tribes. Today, Manasseh — represented by England (east of the body of water we call the Atlantic Ocean), and Canada (west of that body of water) — still lies NORTH of Ephraim, the United States of America!

Ephraim was a Bull. In Deuteronomy 33:17 a firstborn bull is followed by a wild ox [actually in Hebrew Raem i.e. unicorn]. America uses the symbol of the Bull. Wall Street has a symbol of a large Bull. Many of the coat of Arms for the states has a bull on it.

Ephraim is the 13th tribe

Ephraim was the 13th tribe
because he was born after his brother Manessah. He was born last to Joseph in Egypt, after Manasseh, the 12th tribe. The US flag has 13 stripes, the US originally had 13 colonies, in the US seal we find 13 stars above an eagle, also 13 arrows clutched in his left claw, and an olive branch with 13 leaves in its right claw, with a shield of 13 red and white stripes. The number 13 is associated with Ephraim and with America! Ephraims symbols were an Olive Branch, while his second symbol is a Bundle of Arrows. The first will be last and the last will be first!

Further Proof:

Ephraim is always associated with the West. Ephraim would pitch his camp in the West with Manasseh and Benjamin. Num 2:18-22.
Num 2:18 On the west side shall be the standard of the camp of Ephraim according to their armies.

When you read Ezekiel chapter one. You notice that the image has four faces — face of a m an, face of a lion, face of a Ox and face of a Eagle. These faces represent the four tribes lead by Reuben, Judah, Ephraim and Dan. Reuben’s symbol was a man, Judah’s symbol was a Lion, Ephraim’s symbol was a Ox, and Dan’s symbol was a Eagle. You will also notice that the Ox is on the left side of the camp which is the West.

Eze_1:10 As for the likenessH1823 of their faces,H6440 they fourH702 had the faceH6440 of a man,H120 and the faceH6440 of a lion,H738 onH413 the right side:H3225 and they fourH702 had the faceH6440 of an ox<strong>H7794</strong> on the left side;H4480 H8040 they fourH702 also had the faceH6440 of an eagle.H5404

Ephraim was to go to the North which is Europe and the West which is Great Britain and America.

Isa 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

Isa 49:20 The childrenH1121 which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other,H7923 shall sayH559 againH5750 in thine ears,H241 The placeH4725 is too straitH6862 for me: give placeH5066 to me that I may dwell.H3427Isa 49:21 Then shalt thou sayH559 in thine heart,H3824 WhoH4310 hath begottenH3205 me(H853) these,H428 seeing IH589 have lost my children,H7909 and am desolate,H1565 a captive,H1540 and removing to and fro?H5493 and whoH4310 hath brought upH1431 these?H428 Behold,H2005 IH589 was leftH7604 alone;H905 these,H428 whereH375 had theyH1992 been?

THEY WILL PUSH WEST

Both Ephraim and Manessah pushed westward. Mannessah pushed western to Great Britain and Ephraim to America. Notice that Ephraim was to follow the East wind. The East Wind moves West.

Hosea 12:1 prophesies: “Ephraim…followeth after an eastwindthey do make a covenant with the Assyrians.

Through Moses, God prophesied that Joseph would “push the peoples to the end of the earth” (Deuteronomy 33:17). Rallying to the cry of “manifest destiny,” the Americans did what Israelites have been doing for centuries: They moved west. “Go West young man Go West”.

Deu 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth

Further Proof:


America out numbers Britain. American population is 250 Million compared to Britain which is 57 Million. “ and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Menasseh.” Deut 33:17

America was to be a land of Refuge

Our forefathers understood that America was a land of Refuge for the Christian people. So the eagle on the American Symbol represents the eagle in Rev 12:14. The eagle symbolizes a place of safety from the persecution that was going on in Europe and Britain at that time.

Deu_32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

Purpose of Ephraim


[Isaiah 49:6]
“AND HE SAID, IT IS A LIGHT THING THAT THOU SHOULDEST BE MY
SERVANT TO RAISE UP THE TRIBES OF JACOB, AND TO RESTORE THE PRESERVED OF ISRAEL: I WILL ALSO GIVE THEE FOR A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES, THAT THOU MAYEST BE MY SALVATION UNTO THE END OF THE EARTH.”

The Lost Ten Tribes are linked with the Ends of the earth (Genesis 33:13, Isaiah 41:8,9,13).

The Northern Tribes are lead by Ephraim

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

Characteristics of the tribe

1) WINE-DRINKING:

It was claimed that Ephraim was to become a people who drank too much WINE (Isa.28:1). Wine is produced in abundance in the US, California, Oregon, etc. The British are not known as wine-bibbers, but their drink of choice is BEER — a completely different beverage. This again points to the US being Ephraim, in the majority.

2) It was claimed that: Ephraim was prophesied to become “joined to idols” (Hos.4:17). Idols abound in modern USA.

3) It was claimed that: Ephraim was to be a “mixed” people. God said “Ephraim has MIXED himself among the peoples; Ephraim is a cake unturned [burnt on one side, white on the other]. Aliens have devoured his strength, but he does not know it” (Hos.7:8-9).

Hos 7:8 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
Hos 7:9 Strangers (Aliens) have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.

They began mixing early in their history in the land of Israel. In Judges 1:29 Ephraim did not drive out the Canaanites who lived in Gezer, so the Canaanites lived in Gezer among them.

3) Their pride continually got them in trouble. They showed their pride, jealously, and self-centeredness when Jephthah chose to fight (and defeat) the Ammonites without the aid of the proud Ephraim warriors. A civil war erupted resulting in 42,000 warriors from Ephraim being killed.

4) He also condemned “Israel”, meaning the Ten Tribes, “because they sold the righteous for silver” (Amos 1; 4-6).

Punishment Lifted

Israel’s punishment was seven years for every year they did not let the land rest. Israel’s punishment was 360 X 7 = 2520 years in fulfillment. If we count 2520 years from 718-721, we come to A.D. 1800-1803. America received the Louisiana Purchase in 1803. Her wealth and blessings took off from that point in history.

Ephraim in Prophecy

Ephraim will destroy Esau.
Obadiah says that the House of Joseph shall destroy the House of Esau.
Obadiah 1:18 “AND THE HOUSE OF JACOB SHALL BE A FIRE, AND THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH A FLAME, AND THE HOUSE OF ESAU FOR STUBBLE AND THEY SHALL KINDLE IN THEM, AND DEVOUR THEM; AND THERE SHALL NOT BE ANY REMAINING OF THE HOUSE OF ESAU; FOR THE LORD HATH SPOKEN IT.”

Hosea 12:1 prophesies: “Ephraim…followeth after an eastwind…they do make a covenant with the Assyrians.” A “covenant” is an agreement or alliance. Since Israel and Assyria were never allies in ancient biblical days, this argues for a latter-day fulfillment. Is Ephraim allied to modern Assyria? Yes. Assyria settled in the land of Germany. The British and Americans have made numerous “covenants” with Germany via NATO, the European Union, etc. Hosea 14:3 adds that a time will come when Ephraim will realize it should have relied on God instead of its covenant with Assyria. It prophesies Ephraim will say: “Asshur will not save us,” indicating it learns that security comes from God, not its alliances with other nations such as Assyria.

Isaiah 27:12-13 prophesies that: “in that day…you shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel…the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem.”

Proof Scotland is Judah
It was prophesied that Ephraim and Manasseh would go to war against Judah. This has happened many times. The Milesians who settled Ireland were a tribe of Judah. We know the Irish people moved into the land of Scotland. For further proof see our teaching on the Trojan Kings. Ephraim and Manasseh both lived in the land of Britain and for many centuries went to war with Scotland. Also many of the Scottish Irish people moved to America and settled in the Mountains of Tennessee. The American Civil War was a war between Ephraim in the north and Judah in the South!!

Isa_9:21 Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Now this is what I call funny?



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And on that note:


 
Sorry about Your "Difficulty",..... Myself, I found it easy to find Groups of people, who became World Powers, that could be traced back to the "House of Israel", especially One that became many Nations,

And I absolutely disagree that Yacob's Blessing upon Manasseh, & Ephraim, was contingent upon "The Last Days".

Gen 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
Gen 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
Gen 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
Gen 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
Gen 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

Except that is what it says. (Gen. 49:1) "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together that I may tell you which shall befall you in the last days."

I have no difficulty.

Quantrill
 
Now this is what I call funny?



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And on that note:


Trump Channeling Cyrus on Purim: US Will Recognize Israel’s Sovereignty Over Golan​

Picture of Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz

Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz​


US-Israel Relations

March 22, 2019​


"
Trump’s announcement coincided with the Jewish holiday of Purim, commemorating when the Jews overcame an existential threat posed by anti-Semitic political forces in ancient Persia.

Many are claiming this was a pre-election gift to Trump’s friend, Netanyahu, but it others see a much larger significance that transcends politics and enters into the realm of the Biblical. One such belief was expressed by Breaking Israel News publisher Rabbi Tuly Weisz, who noted that the announcement came on the Jewish holiday of Purim.

“This strengthens the comparison many have made between President Trump and Cyrus the Great,” Rabbi Weisz said. “The Edict of Cyrus in 538 BCE led directly to the unfolding of the Purim story decades later. The Jews were all supposed to return to Israel, but found it too comfortable in Persia. Only the threat of annihilation woke the Jews up from complacency and assimilation. Mordechai and Esther reminded the Jewish people to fast, pray and turn towards our Father in Heaven. Once again a non-Jewish ruler, President Trump, has issued a decree recognizing the eternal connection between the People of Israel and the Land of Israel, and on Purim no less! I only pray that unlike the original Edict of Cyrus the Great, more Jews from around the world hear this great decision and use it as the motivation to return to our eternal homeland.”


 
Except that is what it says. (Gen. 49:1) "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together that I may tell you which shall befall you in the last days."

I have no difficulty.

Quantrill
If You wish to think of the last couple of hundred years as the "Last Days", then I'll agree.

But if You are trying to say that the "Blessings are to be bestowed upon Ephraim, & Manasseh during the "Time of Yacob's Trouble"/ "The Tribulation",Then You Truly have a Major misunderstanding of the Prophecies concerning Ephraim & Manasseh Quantril.
 
If You wish to think of the last couple of hundred years as the "Last Days", then I'll agree.

But if You are trying to say that the "Blessings are to be bestowed upon Ephraim, & Manasseh during the "Time of Yacob's Trouble"/ "The Tribulation",Then You Truly have a Major misunderstanding of the Prophecies concerning Ephraim & Manasseh Quantril.

The Tribulation period precedes the Millennial period. The Millennial period is where the blessings are enjoyed. It only precedes the Tribulation by 7 years. Look at (Isaiah 2:1-5) where 'last days' of Israel speaks to the Millennial reign of Christ "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.....and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Daniel is given revelation as to what shall happen to Israel in the latter days. The term 'latter days' when addressed to Israel, appears to speak of the Tribulation period. Where as 'last days' speak to the blessings of the Kingdom or Millennial reign. (Dan. 10:14) "Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days."

(Dan. 12:1) "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

We know this speaks to the future Tribulation period. (Matt. 24:21) "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

(Deut. 4:30) "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;"

In (Rev. 7:4) 12 tribes of Israel are listed. Twelve thousand from each tribe making up the 144,000. Manasses is listed. (7:6) Epharaim is not. Dan is not. And Joseph is. (7:8) Thus Joseph must replace Ephraim, and be the tribe of Ephraim, as those of Manasses would not make up the tribe of Joseph as it is already listed.

Quantrill
 
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The Tribulation period precedes the Millennial period. The Millennial period is where the blessings are enjoyed. It only precedes the Tribulation by 7 years. Look at (Isaiah 2:1-5) where 'last days' of Israel speaks to the Millennial reign of Christ "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.....and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Daniel is given revelation as to what shall happen to Israel in the latter days. The term 'latter days' when addressed to Israel, appears to speak of the Tribulation period. Where as 'last days' speak to the blessings of the Kingdom or Millennial reign. (Dan. 10:14) "Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days."

(Dan. 12:1) "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

We know this speaks to the future Tribulation period. (Matt. 24:21) "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

(Deut. 4:30) "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;"

In (Rev. 7:4) 12 tribes of Israel are listed. Twelve thousand from each tribe making up the 144,000. Manasses is listed. (7:6) Epharaim is not. Dan is not. And Joseph is. (7:8) Thus Joseph must replace Ephraim, and be the tribe of Ephraim, as those of Manasses would not make up the tribe of Joseph as it is already listed.

Quantrill

Sorry. My mistake. In my third sentence, first paragraph, I said 'it only precedes'. I should have said 'it comes immediately after the tribulation'.

Seven year Tribulation first, followed by the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ.

Quantrill
 
So what? That doesn't answer Zebra's question.

Your topic indicates Ephraim and Manasseh are England and America. Yet you don't address it. Why?

Quantrill
Quantril,..... Do You Think that Zebra is incapable of asking any further questions? Has Zebra given You "Power of Attorney", where You now speak for Zebra?

And with his question only being #2 in this Conversation, why is Your Anxiety so high?

I'm thinking that when You go to a Movie that You demand that only the first 5, & last 5 minutes of the Movie are shown, before You are escorted from the movie theater.

"Questions" will be answered herein, but You Quantril, will not dictate how that is going to happen.
 
Because the tribes of Israel are not lost. They are scattered. And all 12 are scattered. (James 1:1) "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."

A Jew/Israelite today cannot trace his genealogy back to his tribe. Perhaps through their family name they can assume the tribe they came from, but even that is questionable.

That Jews/Israelites are found all over the world is proof of their being scattered. Not proof they formed the nation of England and America.

And, God's purpose for them being scattered was judgement. It was not to bless them to become a thriving nation elsewhere.

Quantrill
"A Jew/Israelite today cannot trace his genealogy back to his tribe"

For one,.... You are going to be hotly disputed by the "Levites" who make up the "Temple Institute" that is now ready to build the Third Temple, They zealously claim to accurately know their Ancestry.

Secondly,...... Do You reject all physical evidence, such as Artifacts, DNA, etc.? If so You are going to have another hotly disputed debate with the paleoanthropologists of the world.
 
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