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For once why don't we ask you to prove he was not instead of your always implied BS?
The author of this thread claimed with certainty that Issa did not break the rules. I don't see it as unreasonable to expect some evidence to support that.
Otherwise it can be dismissed as an unsubstaniated opinion.
Really?
Is that how you debate?
Issa was accused of not following protocol.
To this day NO ONE has been able to prove it.
Ahh, the sound of a million liberal arguments crumbling to the ground.
only if one accepts your partisan characterization.
you should probably stop doing that. it creates a credibility issue.
oh wait....
never mind.
A blow by blow analysis of the exchange between Cummings and Issa during the IRS targeting hearing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqe8IVl2tt4
0:01 to 1:06 Issa asks Lois Lerner seven questions, she takes the 5th on each of them.
1:08 Right as Issa adjourns the hearing, Cummings says, "Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I have a procedural question."
1:21 Issa turns around to acknowledge him. Cummings, instead of asking his procedural question, proceeds to attack Issa by saying "Mr. Chairman, you cannot run a committee like this; you just cannot do this. We're better than that as a country, we're better than that as a committee. I've asked for a few minutes to--" (Issa leaves for a moment, camera moves to far end of room, Cummings is unintelligible at this point, camera then switches back to Cummings) "I am a ranking member of the committee and I want to ask a question!"
1:45 During Cumming's tirade, Issa returns and sits back down. Cummings can be heard saying, "What are we hiding, what's the big deal?"
1:52 Issa says to the crowd, "You are all free to leave, but the gentleman is free to ask his question." Cummings replies by thanking Issa at 1:58.
2:02 Cummings repeats, "Mr. Chairman, I have one procedural question, which goes by the way to get the information you just asked (for)!"
2:06 Issa asks Cummings, who at this point is becoming increasingly agitated: "What is your question?"
2:08 Cummings then replies, "Let me say what I have to say. I've listened to you for the past 15 or 20 minutes. Let me say what I have to say."
2:15 Cummings the again repeats: "Chairman, I have one procedural question."
2:16 Seeing that Cummings will not ask his question, Issa dismisses Lerner.
2:18 Cummings continues despite her being allowed to leave by saying, "But first I would like to use my time to make a few points: For the past year, the central Republican accusation in this investigation--- (unintelligible)."
2:30 Issa then, seeing that Cummings will not be asking any questions, says, "We're adjourned, close it down."
2:39 Issa can be seen giving the cut off gesture.
2:40 Cummings continues on his rant, with no attempt at a question being made.
2:44 During the rant, you can hear people chanting "shame, shame!"
2:58 Issa states one more time, "If you have a question..." Cummings interrupts, "If you will sit down and allow me to ask the question---" Afterwards he then goes on another tirade. At this point Cummings is out of order, and Issa proceeds to turn off his microphone.
3:29 Issa states in utter finality: "We had a hearing. It was adjourned. I gave you an opportunity to ask a question; you didn't have a question." Cummings answers, "I do have a question" at 3:35.
3:41 Issa leaves the room. At this time Elijah quips, "What are you hiding, Mr. Chairman?"
3:42 An individual on the floor, namely a liberal or a member of Cummings staff says, "He's taken the 5th, Elijah!"
(End of video at 3:45)
As you can see, Issa gave Cummings three distinct chances to ask his question, each time he continued making statements. This should dispel any notion by Democrats that Issa refused to let Cummings ask his question or arbitrarily shut off his microphone to "shut off the minority voice."
Jesse Jackson would have been wise to reconsider his words when he referred to Issa as "racist" for cutting off Cummings microphone, and that the Congressional Black Caucus should have known better than to file a resolution to have Issa removed from his chairmanship. It is clear by the video that Issa was acting well within his rights and within the Rules of Order governing the Committee on Oversight.
Do you have a link to the section(s) of the committee's rules of order from which you determined that they proved Issa was in compliance?
Do you have a link to the section(s) of the committee's rules of order from which you determined that they proved Issa was in compliance?
For once why don't we ask you to prove he was not instead of your always implied BS?
The author of this thread claimed with certainty that Issa did not break the rules. I don't see it as unreasonable to expect some evidence to support that.
Otherwise it can be dismissed as an unsubstaniated opinion.
A blow by blow analysis of the exchange between Cummings and Issa during the IRS targeting hearing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqe8IVl2tt4
0:01 to 1:06 Issa asks Lois Lerner seven questions, she takes the 5th on each of them.
1:08 Right as Issa adjourns the hearing, Cummings says, "Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I have a procedural question."
1:21 Issa turns around to acknowledge him. Cummings, instead of asking his procedural question, proceeds to attack Issa by saying "Mr. Chairman, you cannot run a committee like this; you just cannot do this. We're better than that as a country, we're better than that as a committee. I've asked for a few minutes to--" (Issa leaves for a moment, camera moves to far end of room, Cummings is unintelligible at this point, camera then switches back to Cummings) "I am a ranking member of the committee and I want to ask a question!"
1:45 During Cumming's tirade, Issa returns and sits back down. Cummings can be heard saying, "What are we hiding, what's the big deal?"
1:52 Issa says to the crowd, "You are all free to leave, but the gentleman is free to ask his question." Cummings replies by thanking Issa at 1:58.
2:02 Cummings repeats, "Mr. Chairman, I have one procedural question, which goes by the way to get the information you just asked (for)!"
2:06 Issa asks Cummings, who at this point is becoming increasingly agitated: "What is your question?"
2:08 Cummings then replies, "Let me say what I have to say. I've listened to you for the past 15 or 20 minutes. Let me say what I have to say."
2:15 Cummings the again repeats: "Chairman, I have one procedural question."
2:16 Seeing that Cummings will not ask his question, Issa dismisses Lerner.
2:18 Cummings continues despite her being allowed to leave by saying, "But first I would like to use my time to make a few points: For the past year, the central Republican accusation in this investigation--- (unintelligible)."
2:30 Issa then, seeing that Cummings will not be asking any questions, says, "We're adjourned, close it down."
2:39 Issa can be seen giving the cut off gesture.
2:40 Cummings continues on his rant, with no attempt at a question being made.
2:44 During the rant, you can hear people chanting "shame, shame!"
2:58 Issa states one more time, "If you have a question..." Cummings interrupts, "If you will sit down and allow me to ask the question---" Afterwards he then goes on another tirade. At this point Cummings is out of order, and Issa proceeds to turn off his microphone.
3:29 Issa states in utter finality: "We had a hearing. It was adjourned. I gave you an opportunity to ask a question; you didn't have a question." Cummings answers, "I do have a question" at 3:35.
3:41 Issa leaves the room. At this time Elijah quips, "What are you hiding, Mr. Chairman?"
3:42 An individual on the floor, namely a liberal or a member of Cummings staff says, "He's taken the 5th, Elijah!"
(End of video at 3:45)
As you can see, Issa gave Cummings three distinct chances to ask his question, each time he continued making statements. This should dispel any notion by Democrats that Issa refused to let Cummings ask his question or arbitrarily shut off his microphone to "shut off the minority voice."
Jesse Jackson would have been wise to reconsider his words when he referred to Issa as "racist" for cutting off Cummings microphone, and that the Congressional Black Caucus should have known better than to file a resolution to have Issa removed from his chairmanship. It is clear by the video that Issa was acting well within his rights and within the Rules of Order governing the Committee on Oversight.
Do you have a link to the section(s) of the committee's rules of order from which you determined that they proved Issa was in compliance?
Go look in paperview's Issa/Race Card thread, Carbine. I will not coddle you.
Cummings had no question...if he did, he wanted to be able to have a five minute rant before he asked it...and not even a rant that was pertinent to the case.
Issa did exactly what he should have done. Too often these dog and pony show proceedings are nothing more than feather ruffling and campaigning.
But this is the whole point. Issa didn't let him rant for a few minutes before asking his questions. So he cut him off. Then Cummings whined about the minority voice not being heard and issa tried the race card when it's clear that's not what Cummings meant. The dems are the minority party in that room.Cummings had no question...if he did, he wanted to be able to have a five minute rant before he asked it...and not even a rant that was pertinent to the case.
Issa did exactly what he should have done. Too often these dog and pony show proceedings are nothing more than feather ruffling and campaigning.
issa tried the race card when it's clear that's not what Cummings meant. The dems are the minority party in that room
