The irony of the abortion issue.

[HeyNorm]

The draft.

 

[forkup]

The draft.

Nope. The draft is about the society saying that the individual has less rights than the society as a whole. Pro-life is about saying that one person (not that I accept this) has rights over another person.

 

[Dragonlady]

when does it get the same rights you and I have? The right to not be killed.

After the child is born, it has rights. While it is in utero, all rights accrue to the woman. Every definition of "human", including the Biblical definition, says that humans are "breathing".

Society has absolutely no interest in the fetus unless the woman wants to terminate the pregnancy. Then, you're all dewy eyed about "innocent life", right up until the point the child actually is "alive" and then you cease to care what happens to it.

 

[Woodznutz]

I had two miscarriages, neither of which would have been treated properly in a 6 week abortion ban state. Because lawmakers banned miscarriage care, which is the same as an abortion.

1 million American women have miscarriages every single year. That's potentially 1 million women who need abortion care. There are another 200,000 pregnancies in the USA every year which end in stillbirth. And those women need abortion care as well.

How many women are you going to kill by denying the the care they need for the complications of pregnancy?????? The maternal death rate is up 92% in Texas. The rate of stillbirths is up 20%. And more than 25,000 women have been forced to bear their rapists' children. Girls in middle school are now going back to class as "mothers". And that's just ONE state.

You need to take a female biology course and get back to us when you have a clue, because right now, you're a complete idiot when it comes to female biology.

I was only addressing one issue. I can also discuss the others that you mention. Also, I have no problems with a woman's right to choose. That's her business. I was addressing the issue that women have direct control of.

 

[Couchpotato]

After the child is born, it has rights. While it is in utero, all rights accrue to the woman. Every definition of "human", including the Biblical definition, says that humans are "breathing".

Society has absolutely no interest in the fetus unless the woman wants to terminate the pregnancy. Then, you're all dewy eyed about "innocent life", right up until the point the child actually is "alive" and then you cease to care what happens to it.

So you’re a locational rights person as well. Interesting.

 

[Lesh]

Depends on what the voters in the state say. As it should be. Sounds like you want to eliminate it totally for the 97 percent. Many states won't accept that.

That’s the right wing goal

 

[forkup]

So you’re a locational rights person as well. Interesting.

So are you. Since you fail to address why the location of the womb gives extra special rights superseding the rights of the woman.

 

[rampart]

Like when a 12-year-old girl is cornered and raped by a family member.

i wonder if that ever really happens, it certainly is not as well documented as little jummy's recess sex change.

 

[Mac-7]

Sex is not political moron

The anything-goes sex crowd tend to be libs

 

[Lesh]

The anything-goes sex crowd tend to be libs

Oh bullshit. Horny bros are libs?

Oh … you mean the people left holding the bag…. Women… are liberals

Well you’re about to find that out

 

[Mac-7]

Yes, we are OK with our children making dumb decisions and not face life altering and often life-long detrimental consequences as a result of it, if it can be helped. The question is, why do you think your daughter should not have those options or for that matter that you have any control on it beyond trying to raise them right?

Arent STDs life altering?

You are not doing your daughter a favor by laughing off unprotected sex with some stranger they just stumbled into at the club

 

[Mac-7]

Oh bullshit. Horny bros are libs?

Oh … you mean the people left holding the bag…. Women… are liberals

Well you’re about to find that out

Not always

Stiff dicks cross party lines

And so do attitudes of men toward “easy” women

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You might want to find a good dictionary and look up the word convenience.

I'll let you do that after I permanently injure your body, keep you from going to work, and take your money.

Deal? We'll see who thinks that is just "inconvenient".

You sound like an idiot. But don't be surprised. And old man sitting around pontificating on what women do with their bodies is about as stupid as anything I could imagine.

 

[Couchpotato]

So are you. Since you fail to address why the location of the womb gives extra special rights superseding the rights of the woman.

It doesnt. You dont get to kill a person just because their existence is inconvenient. Regardless of their location.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

I'll let you do that after I permanently injure your body, keep you from going to work, and take your money.

Okay keyboard commando.

 

[Lesh]

Not always

Stiff dicks cross party lines

And so do attitudes of men toward “easy” women

Ohhh now they’re “easy”

You fuckers just can’t stop disrespecting women

It’s IN your right wing DNA

 

[Mac-7]

Ohhh now they’re “easy”

You fuckers just can’t stop disrespecting women

It’s IN your right wing DNA

“Easy” is putting the drunken 20-something party girls tactifully

The daughters disrespect themselves

 

[forkup]

Arent STDs life altering?

You are not doing your daughter a favor by laughing off unprotected sex with some stranger they just stumbled into at the club

Most std's are solved by some simple antibiotics. And I don't "laugh it off", neither do I laugh off an unwanted pregnancy. Which is more to the point in this OP. But it's nice to see you double down on your strawman.

The simple fact of the matter is that I don't see how I can keep my daughter from having sex, unprotected or otherwise. The only thing I can do is make her aware of the potential risks, be it pregnancy or std's, and ask her to act sensibly. But if that occurs despite my best intentions, I'll be damned of I would force her to live with the consequences for the rest of her life if there's a solution. Be it antibiotics or abortion.

Again, what exactly in this line of thinking is objectionable to you? Or do you pretend that you have 100 percent control of the actions of your children?

 

[Arlette]

Because I believe we are murdering a human being which is wrong regardless of the reason

Yeah but you also believe that some entity in the sky loves ya.

 

[forkup]

It doesnt. You dont get to kill a person just because their existence is inconvenient. Regardless of their location.

Let's explore that assertion. So, you contend a person can't be killed regardless of if he or she is directly threatening to your life or health?