The irony of California saying they will "protect your rights"

[SweetTea]

The last ice age was actually in the 1790s.

I am talking about major ice ages, not a little global cooling.

 

[Vrenn]

Will that be the 30th or 40th "point of no return" we will have passed since the 1970's?

I was part of a Union and when I got my draft notice, my job would be waiting for me when I got out. The year after I got out, they shut the factory down due to it was too costly to convert it back to coal. And this area is used to be the coal capital of the world. They converted to NG but when that got too expensive, they had no choice to shut the factory down. That one factory caused all kinds of health problems when it was using coal. They could have reopened it using coal but the cost of the scrubbers and upkeep was just too high. Not long after they shut down, NG went way down and hit rock bottom where it stayed for many years. Black Snow and coal dust along with smog was no longer tolerated. This was 1971. It destroyed the valley with 5 towns and cities until they came up with another crop to grow. But that wasn't as good as it could have been. When the factory shut down the trains that were carrying the coal feeding it wasn't there so UP shut down the line.

It never recovered well but the towns and cities are still there. And the State requires UP to run one train (5 cars and an engine) once a week from Grand Junction to Montrose to keep the UP line in Colorado which is extremely lucrative. The air is crystal clean up the valley. We need to find alternative industries. One company bought a mine and did you know you can make fiber optics from coal cheaply?

 

[Vrenn]

I am talking about major ice ages, not a little global cooling.

No, you are talking out your ass. Europe was still under the ice age as late as 1790. It didn't clear up all at once. The European Industrial Revolution finished it off. Yes, it would have ended later rather than sooner without the help but with the help it ended sooner. Man has been affecting things ever since the Industrial Revolutions sprung up all across the globe. The fact remains, until the first Industrial Revolution, the average temp had no change. But it's up over 6 degrees today over the pre industrial age.

 

[martybegan]

I was part of a Union and when I got my draft notice, my job would be waiting for me when I got out. The year after I got out, they shut the factory down due to it was too costly to convert it back to coal. And this area is used to be the coal capital of the world. They converted to NG but when that got too expensive, they had no choice to shut the factory down. That one factory caused all kinds of health problems when it was using coal. They could have reopened it using coal but the cost of the scrubbers and upkeep was just too high. Not long after they shut down, NG went way down and hit rock bottom where it stayed for many years. Black Snow and coal dust along with smog was no longer tolerated. This was 1971. It destroyed the valley with 5 towns and cities until they came up with another crop to grow. But that wasn't as good as it could have been. When the factory shut down the trains that were carrying the coal feeding it wasn't there so UP shut down the line.

It never recovered well but the towns and cities are still there. And the State requires UP to run one train (5 cars and an engine) once a week from Grand Junction to Montrose to keep the UP line in Colorado which is extremely lucrative. The air is crystal clean up the valley. We need to find alternative industries. One company bought a mine and did you know you can make fiber optics from coal cheaply?

What the hell does this have to do with the doom and gloom AGW bullshit?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Let's take a look at the permanent change of weather here near the beginning of the Colorado River and it's subsidiaries like the Gunnison and more. The old average temperature for here this time of year would be in the teens to the 30s. Instead, it's from the 30s to the 60s. Instead of snow, you get rain. There is no fall buildup of snow or ice. Sounds like a fantastic day at the beach. Now, look at that one of the biggest rivers in the US is doing. It's more than a little low. While it may not affect here so bad it does affect those below us. Lake Powell is about 150 feet lower than it was just 20 years ago. Lake Mead is no better. This means that when needed for fire suppression the water just isn't there. There is enough for the human day to day with some rationing but none left for emergencies. This also means that the forests are dryer than normal and are tinder boxes all up and down from the water sources.

You call it a joke but you have never lost your home to fire. I have.

Has nothing to do with glowarm. We're but a pinprick and to think that we can alter a planets atmosphere is the height of mans arrogance. Naw, this is much deeper and about control over everyone.

 

[Vrenn]

What the hell does this have to do with the doom and gloom AGW bullshit?

I guess I was hoping you would learn. I gave you the benefit of ignorance where all you have to do is learn to correct it. You aren't ignorant, you just stupid.

 

[Vrenn]

Has nothing to do with glowarm. We're but a pinprick and to think that we can alter a planets atmosphere is the height of mans arrogance. Naw, this is much deeper and about control over everyone.

You aren't old enough to remember when it was really, really bad. Us old geezers are looking out for you .

 

[martybegan]

I guess I was hoping you would learn. I gave you the benefit of ignorance where all you have to do is learn to correct it. You aren't ignorant, you just stupid.

And you go on tangents that don't mean anything related to the topic.

For decades the AGW chicken littles have said we are about to reach "the point of no return" and they then keep moving that date out.

 

[Vrenn]

And you go on tangents that don't mean anything related to the topic.

For decades the AGW chicken littles have said we are about to reach "the point of no return" and they then keep moving that date out.

And we have approached the point of no return in the past only to back away from it. One of the easiest things to do is to make heavy trucks electric. That one truck does the same overall damage as about 2000 cars. I have said it before, 2025 is going to be an interesting year when all this comes together. And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it because not only do electrics help to clean things up, with the right battery pack, they are overall cheaper to buy and operate than the ICE units. The solid state batteries go into mass production next year. Again, there is nothing you can do about it. It must suck to be you.

 

[westwall]

You keep trying to move the goal posts. Okay, let's look at the period of 1930

Average temp for the US in 1930 was 49.4

Average for 2023 was 55.6.

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Do you see a trend here? You don't think an average of 5 or 6 degrees shouldn't make a difference. Well, if the difference is to determine the annual snow fall, 5 or 6 degrees warmer is catastrophic. For instance, the average temp for Texas in June was 2.6 degrees above normal. In the higher countries, we show it between 5 and 6 degrees. While Texas may not have that great of an affect, in the mountains, that 5 to 6 degree increase means lower snow fall. Do that for a few years and guess what, Texas will have to drastically cut back on it's water usage.

Try looking at a non doctored chart. The 1930s were the hottest decade on record, worldwide. More days over 100f than at any time ever recorded.

 

[Vrenn]

Will that be the 30th or 40th "point of no return" we will have passed since the 1970's?

you only get one

 

[martybegan]

you only get one

Actually you guys have had too many to still be trusted on this.

 

[westwall]

you only get one

But your heroes have had several. Are you ignorant of their claims or do you ignore when they are constantly wrong for a reason?