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This does not apply to all whites, but there is a subculture in the white community that claims not to see race while holding virulent racist views. In this subculture, people claim to not be taught to see race, but the reality is they are not taught to see themselves as a race. In this subculture this is what they see when they say American:

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“The dominant group [whites] control the construction of reality through the production of ideologies or “knowledge” that circulate throughout society where they inform social norms, organizational practices, bureaucratic procedures, and common-sense knowledge. In this way, the interests of the oppressors are presented as reflecting everyone’s best interests, thereby getting oppressed groups to accept the dominant group’s interests as their own and minimize conflict.”

Pike, Karen D, “What is Internalized Racial Oppression and Why Don't We Study It? Acknowledging Racism's Hidden Injuries”, December 1, 2010, Sociological Perspectives, Vol. 53, Issue 4, pp. 551–572 Internalized Racism Among Asians
“Whiteness is what I call the “transcendental norm,” which means that whiteness goes unmarked. As unmarked, white people are able to live their identities as unraced, as simply human, as persons. And this obfuscates the ways in which their lives depend upon various affordances that black people and people of color don’t possess.”

George Yancey puts the finger on the cause of the amnesia that seems to exist in parts of the white community. When this subculture sees a mental picture of an American, they see a white person. Ask Mitch McConnell if you don’t think so. His comments about blacks voting just like Americans were not slips of the tongue or gaffes. Part of the white community has conflated the word American to mean white and claim they do not see race when that is all they see. They do not think twice about how that is racist.

So because white has been used as default for normal we see debates about the experiences of others caused by whites get derailed and gaslighted with accusations of racism againsthose who present that side of Amerca and the claim of how we need to see each others as individuals.

Understanding the concept of discourse and the discourse of individualism shows me that “individualism” is just another method used in white supremacy. As I read and re-read writings on the discourse of individualism, I find that for people to consistently talk about how we should look at each other as individuals and not as races is an insult. Whites who believe strongly in individualism may not see it that way, but that is not my concern here. This belief says that we must ignore our experiences and history. What we have experienced as blacks did not happen to us individually.

"The Discourse of Individualism is a claim that we all act independently from one another and that we all have the same possibility of achievement and are unmarked by social positions such as race, class, and gender. As Mill states, however, “The reality is that one can pretend the body does not matter only because a particular body… [white] is being presupposed as the somatic norm.” The Discourse of Individualism posits race as irrelevant. In fact, claiming that race is relevant to one’s life chances is seen as limiting one’s ability to stand on one’s own; standing on one’s own is both the assumption and the goal of Individualism. Because it obscures how social positioning impacts opportunity, the Discourse of Individualism is a dominant discourse that functions ideologically to reinforce and reproduce relations of unequal power." - Robin DeAngelo

Dr. Robin DiAngelo, White Fragility: International Journal of Critical Pedagogy, Vol 3 (2011) pp. 54, White Fragility | DiAngelo | The International Journal of Critical Pedagogy

Dr. Robin DiAngelo, Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals? Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Anti-racist Education, pg. 16
The argument of individualism, when used to excuse personal responsibility to erase racism from this society, is disingenuous. Individualism removes the collective responsibility whites have to end racism in their communities because “they are an individual and did not do it, so find those who did,” is the attitude you get from whites who use individualism as a denial. Those who argue about individualism would have a case if racism was practiced in a way that harmed a few individuals while being done by just a few people. Racism is a macro-level problem. Individualism is a micro-level philosophy. At its most elementary level, the definition of American is a GROUP of people living in the United States. Group identification doesn’t seem to be a problem for those who use the flag as a shield.

The bottom lie is that white is a race. When you talk about being white, you are talking about race. When you conflate American for white, you are talking about race. As a race, yuou are included in Affirmative Action.
 

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This does not apply to all whites, but there is a subculture in the white community that claims not to see race while holding virulent racist views. In this subculture, people claim to not be taught to see race, but the reality is they are not taught to see themselves as a race. In this subculture this is what they see when they say American:

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“The dominant group [whites] control the construction of reality through the production of ideologies or “knowledge” that circulate throughout society where they inform social norms, organizational practices, bureaucratic procedures, and common-sense knowledge. In this way, the interests of the oppressors are presented as reflecting everyone’s best interests, thereby getting oppressed groups to accept the dominant group’s interests as their own and minimize conflict.”

Pike, Karen D, “What is Internalized Racial Oppression and Why Don't We Study It? Acknowledging Racism's Hidden Injuries”, December 1, 2010, Sociological Perspectives, Vol. 53, Issue 4, pp. 551–572 Internalized Racism Among Asians
“Whiteness is what I call the “transcendental norm,” which means that whiteness goes unmarked. As unmarked, white people are able to live their identities as unraced, as simply human, as persons. And this obfuscates the ways in which their lives depend upon various affordances that black people and people of color don’t possess.”

George Yancey puts the finger on the cause of the amnesia that seems to exist in parts of the white community. When this subculture sees a mental picture of an American, they see a white person. Ask Mitch McConnell if you don’t think so. His comments about blacks voting just like Americans were not slips of the tongue or gaffes. Part of the white community has conflated the word American to mean white and claim they do not see race when that is all they see. They do not think twice about how that is racist.

So because white has been used as default for normal we see debates about the experiences of others caused by whites get derailed and gaslighted with accusations of racism againsthose who present that side of Amerca and the claim of how we need to see each others as individuals.

Understanding the concept of discourse and the discourse of individualism shows me that “individualism” is just another method used in white supremacy. As I read and re-read writings on the discourse of individualism, I find that for people to consistently talk about how we should look at each other as individuals and not as races is an insult. Whites who believe strongly in individualism may not see it that way, but that is not my concern here. This belief says that we must ignore our experiences and history. What we have experienced as blacks did not happen to us individually.

"The Discourse of Individualism is a claim that we all act independently from one another and that we all have the same possibility of achievement and are unmarked by social positions such as race, class, and gender. As Mill states, however, “The reality is that one can pretend the body does not matter only because a particular body… [white] is being presupposed as the somatic norm.” The Discourse of Individualism posits race as irrelevant. In fact, claiming that race is relevant to one’s life chances is seen as limiting one’s ability to stand on one’s own; standing on one’s own is both the assumption and the goal of Individualism. Because it obscures how social positioning impacts opportunity, the Discourse of Individualism is a dominant discourse that functions ideologically to reinforce and reproduce relations of unequal power." - Robin DeAngelo

Dr. Robin DiAngelo, White Fragility: International Journal of Critical Pedagogy, Vol 3 (2011) pp. 54, White Fragility | DiAngelo | The International Journal of Critical Pedagogy

Dr. Robin DiAngelo, Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals? Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Anti-racist Education, pg. 16
The argument of individualism, when used to excuse personal responsibility to erase racism from this society, is disingenuous. Individualism removes the collective responsibility whites have to end racism in their communities because “they are an individual and did not do it, so find those who did,” is the attitude you get from whites who use individualism as a denial. Those who argue about individualism would have a case if racism was practiced in a way that harmed a few individuals while being done by just a few people. Racism is a macro-level problem. Individualism is a micro-level philosophy. At its most elementary level, the definition of American is a GROUP of people living in the United States. Group identification doesn’t seem to be a problem for those who use the flag as a shield.

The bottom lie is that white is a race. When you talk about being white, you are talking about race. When you conflate American for white, you are talking about race. As a race, yuou are included in Affirmative Action.
There isn't any racism to speak of except towards white people. The colored folks get to do and say pretty much what they want. And blacks are given stuff. Look at Kamala and Ketanji. Those two are embarrassingly unqualified for their positions. And yet they were given them without earning them. That's wrong.
 
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Some relevant reading...


"Collectivism's ultimate propaganda message is that there is no such thing as inherent Individual rights or liberties and that all rights are arbitrary and subject to the whims of the group or the state."
 
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IM2 , did you steal that picture from iStock, or did the people who posted the article?

Wait, let me guess: watermarks on copyrighted proprietary images are just another form of white supremacy?
 
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There isn't any racism to speak of except towards white people. The colored folks get to do and say pretty much what they want. And blacks are given stuff. Look at Kamala and Ketanji. Those two are embarrassingly unqualified for their positions. And yet they were given them without earning them. That's wrong.
You are a racist. And both these women were imminently qualified.

This is What the Government has done for Whites
 
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IM2 , did you steal that picture from iStock, or did the people who posted the article?

Wait, let me guess: watermarks on copyrighted proprietary images are just another form of white supremacy?
How about you discuss the thread topic?

You scared?

I'll change the picture so you don't whine.
 

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How about you discuss the thread topic?

You scared?

I'll change the picture so you don't whine.
Thank you.

Sorry, but I am an author and Youtube content creator who willingly pays the artists who produce images so that I can use their work in mine.

So, let me remind myself of the thread topic . . .

Yes, there is a underlying and unstated belief on the part of whites that whiteness is the norm and that non-whiteness of however many varieties are not the norm.

In my younger days, I used to ask friends who were black, or Hispanic, and so forth to tell me a "white joke." None were forthcoming. One man told me a joke about Black people that was flattering to them in an offhanded way, which I'll tell in the humor section, if you're interested. I'd love to know if you've heard it.

I thought, maybe, that they just did not want to offend me. I finally realized that the reason is exactly what I said. There are jokes about Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, Polish people, Irish people, Blonde women, gay people, etc. because the are perceived as different, while the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant people are the ones from whom the others are different.

Anyway, you once huffily told me that a white person should not tell a black person how to think politically. I cannot tell black people how to feel about whiteness, or blackness, or anything else about their feelings, because I can never experience them. I can see with my own eyes that the Dems are focusing all of their efforts in helping Latin-Americans come to the U.S. knowing that they will damage the opportunities of poor blacks to work their way to the middle class. I can see with my own eyes how public schools fail Black students, while spending enormous efforts giving Latino students a helping hand.

Black people need a new party, and if you have no desire to be a Libertarian lost-causer, the GOP is your best hope.
 

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The powers that be gave this clown his own little safe zone.
 

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Well thanks to folks like you, we are now the new victim.
 

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This is what I see when I say American ...

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Except younger, fitter, and wearing significantly less clothing.
Dang, I like your view of America, far better than most on here. Funny too. Your rye contributions today are serving well.
 
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Thank you.

Sorry, but I am an author and Youtube content creator who willingly pays the artists who produce images so that I can use their work in mine.

So, let me remind myself of the thread topic . . .

Yes, there is a underlying and unstated belief on the part of whites that whiteness is the norm and that non-whiteness of however many varieties are not the norm.

In my younger days, I used to ask friends who were black, or Hispanic, and so forth to tell me a "white joke." None were forthcoming. One man told me a joke about Black people that was flattering to them in an offhanded way, which I'll tell in the humor section, if you're interested. I'd love to know if you've heard it.

I thought, maybe, that they just did not want to offend me. I finally realized that the reason is exactly what I said. There are jokes about Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, Polish people, Irish people, Blonde women, gay people, etc. because the are perceived as different, while the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant people are the ones from whom the others are different.

Anyway, you once huffily told me that a white person should not tell a black person how to think politically. I cannot tell black people how to feel about whiteness, or blackness, or anything else about their feelings, because I can never experience them. I can see with my own eyes that the Dems are focusing all of their efforts in helping Latin-Americans come to the U.S. knowing that they will damage the opportunities of poor blacks to work their way to the middle class. I can see with my own eyes how public schools fail Black students, while spending enormous efforts giving Latino students a helping hand.

Black people need a new party, and if you have no desire to be a Libertarian lost-causer, the GOP is your best hope.
No, we don't need a new party. Most blacks are independent. We vote based on policy and republican policies are not in our best interest.
 
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