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Music powerful? you betcha, when we're on top of our game (as a band), we've the righties dancin' with the lefties ,etc.
H*ll, the cowboys danced with the indians at our holloween gig......
and gospel is back too! >>>
sellin' like hotcakes !
~S~
A very interesting topic, even for an unbeliever such as myself. I studied the pipe organ for eleven years in a catholic cathedral eventually leaving those studies due to direct experience of the evil and hypocracy behind the scenes. I’m still inspired though by the music, expecially the High Anglican choral tradition but none of it leads me ‘back to God’.
On the other hand I find the all singing dancing rock and roll approach to sacred music so popular today anything but inspiring and certainly not devine. I am however moved by negro spirituals. No sermon or bible reading has ever moved me the way, for instance, John Tavener’s ‘Hymn to Athena’ performed at Princess Diana’s funeral did.
Then there’s this little gem written to only ever be performed in the presence of the Pope in the Cistine Chappel . Mozart heard it and took it away in his memory. Anglican choirs have been gleefully porforming it ever since. Even though I find most of the text nausiating, especially the reference to being concieved in sin, I still find myself thinking of this as divine.
A very interesting topic, even for an unbeliever such as myself. I studied the pipe organ for eleven years in a catholic cathedral eventually leaving those studies due to direct experience of the evil and hypocracy behind the scenes. I’m still inspired though by the music, expecially the High Anglican choral tradition but none of it leads me ‘back to God’.
On the other hand I find the all singing dancing rock and roll approach to sacred music so popular today anything but inspiring and certainly not devine. I am however moved by negro spirituals. No sermon or bible reading has ever moved me the way, for instance, John Tavener’s ‘Hymn to Athena’ performed at Princess Diana’s funeral did.
Then there’s this little gem written to only ever be performed in the presence of the Pope in the Cistine Chappel . Mozart heard it and took it away in his memory. Anglican choirs have been gleefully porforming it ever since. Even though I find most of the text nausiating, especially the reference to being concieved in sin, I still find myself thinking of this as divine.
Pipe organs are pretty cool things. I can understand your interest in studying them. I really enjoy listening to them. I have a lot of soundtracks just for that reason. The Interstellar soundtrack I have, the expanded illuminated star project version with the complete score, they used the Temple Church organ in London, UK. I really like it. And the guy who played the pipe organ? Pffft. He played it like a champion.
Towards the end of the vid it shows him playing it, it's only a few minutes, though...
About the other thing. Having spent my early youth in the south the little church everbody went to that I knew were negro, except for a few families, I know precisely what youre talkign about. I can probably remember as far back as being around 5 five, when they took me in. I remember specifically the first day, too, The one woman was greeting, she looked at me and said, ''boy what is you doing here, are you coming to praise the Lord with us? Come on in we'll get right on with it then." It was without a doubt the most spiritual environment I've ever been in and I'm thankful it was so early in life. Those people were likely the most positive influence in my life if I think about it. There was hardly ever any misic played, we all just like clapped our hands and mostly the women got the place going. Just the sound of the singing itself is very uplifting. You feel it, for sure. Agreed.
In some ways I’m glad a moral crisis had me leave behind organ studies and the church. I was probably only ever good enough to accompany congregational out of tune singing, a pet hate of mine. Very few individuals have the talent to become concert organists and even some of them are forced to accompany dull congregational hymns to make ends meet.Pipe organs are pretty cool things. I can understand your interest in studying them. I really enjoy listening to them. I have a lot of soundtracks just for that reason. The Interstellar soundtrack I have, the expanded illuminated star project version with the complete score, they used the Temple Church organ in London, UK. I really like it. And the guy who played the pipe organ? Pffft. He played it like a champion.
It can indeed, although I find some performances border on the militaristic in tone. The English made an art form of the ‘battle hymn’ too.Music can play a sermon to the heart
That was a good article. It brought to mind my experience at YWAM Kona. It was a truly amazing experience, because there were people there from literally all over the world… from every continent. And one of the coolest things about that base was that you’d get to experience all different kinds of worship music/styles. Everyone gets the opportunity to sing/worship in the way all the different cultures represented there do…so there was so much diversity, but unity at the same time. Because that’s what happens when believers come together, it doesn’t matter where you’re from, you’re brothers and sisters… children of God.
That’s why I loved that video I posted on the other thread. To me there’s something beautiful about hearing people praising God in all different languages. As the article said, it is one step closer to Rev. 5:9 (“from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.”)
And the thing is, music is powerful. There’s a really good quote by Brooke Fraser about music… Hold on a minute and I’ll find it.
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When I'm in the mood, Christmas Catholic Choral music hits the spot;
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We sang this every day in school assembly and as you can see here the audience join in because they did too. Its an unofficial national anthem.
Nid wy'n gofyn bywyd moethus,
Aur y byd na'i berlau mân:
Gofyn wyf am galon hapus,
Calon onest, calon lân.
Cytgan:
Calon lân yn llawn daioni,
Tecach yw na'r lili dlos:
Dim ond calon lân all ganu-
Canu'r dydd a chanu'r nos.
Pe dymunwn olud bydol,
Hedyn buan ganddo sydd;
Golud calon lân, rinweddol,
Yn dwyn bythol elw fydd.
Hwyr a bore fy nymuniad
Gwyd i'r nef ar edyn cân
Ar i Dduw, er mwyn fy Ngheidwad,
Roddi i mi galon lân.
Translated -
I don't ask for a luxurious life,
the world's gold or its fine pearls:
I ask for a happy heart,
an honest heart, a pure heart.
Chorus:
A pure heart is full of goodness,
More lovely than the pretty lily:
Only a pure heart can sing -
Sing day and night.
If I wished worldly wealth,
He has a swift seed;
The riches of a virtuous, pure heart,
Will be a perpetual profit.
Late and early, my wish
Rise to heavan on the wing of song,
To God, for the sake of my Saviour,
Give me a pure heart.
Hey Natural Citizen, I wish more people could own up to mistakes and foibles like you just did. I didn't read the thread you reference, I just know if we could all say "mea culpa" the world would be a more polite place.
OKay, I'm back from reading the article. I'm not sure what there is to debate here to be honest? This seems non-debatable to me.
Music is language--when God scattered the people and the tongues at the Tower of Babel, well, you were also going to get a myriad of different musical "languages". That to me is just part of the beauty and majesty of His creation--just like the blonde hair and blue eyes of Norwegian people, and very dark skin and dark hair of Nigerian people. It's not really debatable, it just is--it's not something the church should debate, but celebrate.
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I raised my daughters to be non-denominational and free to believe or disbelieve what they want. However, I send them all to a catholic high school because their scholastic stats are higher than any of the surrounding schools. My oldest actually chose to become a Catholic at 15, which I had no objection to, and sang on a choral. Twice I attended midnight mass just to hear them sing. Some songs brought tears to my eyes. It's a mom thing.
As you know I don’t really celebrate my birthday anymore, but still, you are sweet for posting that...I loved that version of happy birthday! 
You may be interested to know the traditional mix of incense used by the Roman, Greek Orthodox, Anglican Church and others contains frankincense which in itself contains an ingredient (tetrahydrocannabinol) chemically similar and almost as psychoactive as the form contained in marijuana .The first time I ever went to a Catholic mass was in 5th grade, the whole school crossed the street to the Chruch after 4th period in Wednsdays, and had Mass. I passed out. That incense they were shaking around dropped me cold, wind. I had to go sit on the step out front til it was over.
