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Yup, we need more transparency, but that really doesn't apply to honest socialists, or does it?
People don't want socialism.
They want fairness.
Some people anyways. Politicians are another animal altogether. You cannot trust these entrenched establishment politicians. They all hate Trump, even a lot of the Republicans. What does that tell you?
 

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Yup, we need more transparency, but that really doesn't apply to honest socialists, or does it?
People don't want socialism.
They want fairness.
Some people anyways. Politicians are another animal altogether. You cannot trust these entrenched establishment politicians. They all hate Trump, even a lot of the Republicans. What does that tell you?
Sorry, I am off topic. Oops! I blame Flac. He brought up honest socialists. :heehee:
 

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Some people anyways. Politicians are another animal altogether. You cannot trust these entrenched establishment politicians. They all hate Trump, even a lot of the Republicans. What does that tell you?
Not just them...it's nearly the entire media ( not only WaPo, CNN and MSDNC) and 95% of Washington basically.
Have you ever heard or seen this ? She lays it out pretty much spot on ....
 
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Some people anyways. Politicians are another animal altogether. You cannot trust these entrenched establishment politicians. They all hate Trump, even a lot of the Republicans. What does that tell you?
Not just them...it's nearly the entire media ( not only WaPo, CNN and MSDNC) and 95% of Washington basically.
Have you ever heard or seen this ? She lays it out pretty much spot on ....
Thanks. Can't watch that now. I will be logging off soon, but later.
 
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Even if a socialist aka bernie sanders was elected ....what could he do?...even most or at least a lot of democrats do not want socialism. Even obama is getting very nervous about bernie and the word is he is going to come out and speak to the point that the democrats are going too far to the left.

The democrats need to get back to supporting the working class like they once did.



Obama privately said he would speak up to stop Sanders: report
 

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Even if a socialist aka bernie sanders was elected ....what could he do?...even most or at least a lot of democrats do not want socialism. Even obama is getting very nervous about bernie and the word is he is going to come out and speak to the point that the democrats are going too far to the left.

The democrats need to get back to supporting the working class like they once did.
I think the democrat followers would fall right in line! They would argue about how great socialism will be for all of us, what a utopia it will be! *eye roll* They are so damn stupid they cannot see what is right in front of their faces.
 

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Even if a socialist aka bernie sanders was elected ....what could he do?...even most or at least a lot of democrats do not want socialism. Even obama is getting very nervous about bernie and the word is he is going to come out and speak to the point that the democrats are going too far to the left.

The democrats need to get back to supporting the working class like they once did.



Obama privately said he would speak up to stop Sanders: report
Dems have become intellectual idealogues. How can the ordinary man identify with that convoluted jargon?
 

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So, you're just here to pick fights with Repubs and Libertarians and Green Party members are ya??? :2up:

What about Socialists? Or Independents? Better get your dance card filled out first and see who's left....
I'm here to pick fights with you! :bye1: :cul2:

hehheh I intend to try and help all those republicans who are coinfused....aka the pc and moderate republicans mainly. i will put socialists on ignore
I know I SOUND coinfused... But I'm not as coinfused as most... :badgrin:

The Socialists are the HONEST ONES... Their the ones who will discuss with you... Some of my best I-net convos are with principled socialists that UNDERSTAND what they are asking for...

I wouldn't ignore them if I HAD an "ignore list"....
Where do you go on the net to have discussions with honest socialists?
Is there a special place?
I once got an invite to a "private" forum which was a training ground for aspiring progressive politicians.. My role was as a punching bag and coach for them to get them to deliver CLEAR messages... So -- for about 18 months, I had my own private stash of pedigreed progressive socialists.. LOL... GREAT experience.. Some now famous people involved..
But, don't you see Flac, by your own admission, "professional" socialists like any other political persuasion, are not honest individuals. These are not people who are representing their views, well groomed or otherwise, they are being engineered, designed, by some one or group in the background to have a specific view presented in a specific way, in order to be most effective at relating to, reaching, and winning over other weak-minded people, for no true, honest, strong-minded person of themselves would ever let themselves be engineered to some predetermined mold much less fall prey to scripted, engineered, weaponized politics, which is exactly what these people are. I've seen such signs here in a few people, and because of that, these were among some of the first I put back on permanent Ignore, because there is nothing to be gained by giving them a platform, a voice-- -- -- the worst possible fate for them is to have no audience at all, for everyone to put them on Ignore, because ultimately, what these people want most is ATTENTION.
 

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I ignored myself, and now I can't shut up!

Help!
 

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True...I admit it is a lot of fun skewering them and so forth....but for me...I have come to view it as a waste of time.
So, you're just here to pick fights with Repubs and Libertarians and Green Party members are ya??? :2up:

What about Socialists? Or Independents? Better get your dance card filled out first and see who's left....
I'm here to pick fights with you! :bye1: :cul2:

hehheh I intend to try and help all those republicans who are coinfused....aka the pc and moderate republicans mainly. i will put socialists on ignore
I know I SOUND coinfused... But I'm not as coinfused as most... :badgrin:

The Socialists are the HONEST ONES... Their the ones who will discuss with you... Some of my best I-net convos are with principled socialists that UNDERSTAND what they are asking for...

I wouldn't ignore them if I HAD an "ignore list"....
Honest socialists? Have you been drinking or something?
I love Bernie BECAUSE he's never hidden his core principles and beliefs.. That's MUCH preferred to folks who shift with the breeze and spout off on Capitalism, redistribution, and micromanaging the economy when they haven't really LIVED that life conviction...

I can agree on Bernie on about 1/2 of what he believes... Just not the parts that require math or economics or logic....

:5_1_12024:

I agree with AOC and Pocahontas on virtually nothing because they really KNOW nothing about how things work under EITHER Capitalism or Socialism...

Rather debate Bernie than either of those...
 

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But, don't you see Flac, by your own admission, "professional" socialists like any other political persuasion, are not honest individuals. These are not people who are representing their views, well groomed or otherwise, they are being engineered, designed, by some one or group in the background
These folks that are TRULY committed to Communism or Socialism got that way by a mere ACADEMIC understanding of the "geniuses" who developed those systems, but never had to IMPLEMENT it...

So I don't think there's a bunch of puppet-masters pulling their strings.. They've just never understood the real basis of Capitalism or economics or how govts need to be more AUTHORITARIAN to implement either hard socialism or Communism.. Just sugar coating it and calling it "Democratic Socialism" is dishonest...

And in Bernie's case, even after he's cast lot with a full stable of promising socialist dictators who have DESTROYED their countries for all of his life, he's somehow unable to LEARN any lessons about dangers of CENTRALIZED power that are required to make socialist wet dreams pleasant and rewarding..

Kinda telling moment when AOC who has just a romantic notion of socialism/communism, asserted her authority by blurting out that "I'm the boss now"... THAT is where "democratic socialism" starts heading down the authoritarian trail...

Wouldn't have any joy debating her.. Because it's just too easy...
 

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But, don't you see Flac, by your own admission, "professional" socialists like any other political persuasion, are not honest individuals. These are not people who are representing their views, well groomed or otherwise, they are being engineered, designed, by some one or group in the background
These folks that are TRULY committed to Communism or Socialism got that way by a mere ACADEMIC understanding of the "geniuses" who developed those systems, but never had to IMPLEMENT it...

So I don't think there's a bunch of puppet-masters pulling their strings.. They've just never understood the real basis of Capitalism or economics or how govts need to be more AUTHORITARIAN to implement either hard socialism or Communism.. Just sugar coating it and calling it "Democratic Socialism" is dishonest...
Yes, well, the first part is obvious, the second part assumes these people fail for lack of education. So what's the problem? After talking to you for years, you mean, you haven't straightened them all out? How could they still support untested, unproven models, or worse, leaders who have ravished and destroyed whole societies? (ANS: These people all have bad wiring in their brains). The weakness of capitalism is singular: it rest upon having MORALITY as its regulator. The ethics of serving the common, greater good.

The failing of pure socialism is obvious: it never works. It falls apart as soon as they run out of someone else's money, which leads to corruption and the eventual centralization of the powerful hoarding what is left of the wealth all to themselves.

Therefore, pure socialism or democracy are neither a STABLE form of government, as neither is a monarchy or anarchy: ALL must eventually transition to one of two stable forms of government:
  • Either an Oligarchy ruled by a small group of the powerful Elite.
  • Or a Representative Republic ruled by Law.
The later is the only system which makes people truly free, but only through the empowerment and active participation of the population to be involved. As soon as the population becomes fat, dumb and lazy as we have going on today, law breaks down, the Elite seize power, and we are back to a benign Oligarchy.
 

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Seems to me that the ignore function exists just so person A can indulge in a passive aggressive attack upon person B by announcing to everybody that they are on it.

Why bother?
I have posters on ignore and never announce it...
You clearly must not be doing it right Bruce - folks need to announce it...or...well....it just isn't proper.
As you have noticed before I never comply with the Popular way of doing stuff...

I just let people think I am reading their responses when in fact they are ignored...
 

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How could they still support untested, unproven models, or worse, leaders who have ravished and destroyed whole societies? (ANS: These people all have bad wiring in their brains). The weakness of capitalism is singular: it rest upon having MORALITY as its regulator. The ethics of serving the common, greater good.
Good theory on the neural defect.. :biggrin: But it's not a lack of education.. It's a lack of knowledge about "how things really work"... You hit on the miracle of free markets and capitalism which is that people get up EVERY MORNING to serve others voluntarily and in their own ways WITHOUT an Authoritarian superstructure to command them to do things.. For the socialists, they just can't abide not DICTATING to people what they shall wake up to do... Whether it's what they consume or what job they have or how their money be redistributed for fairness..

Bill Gates never stole from me.. I don't care if football stars make 40 times the nation's annual salary.. I don't CARE if American CEOs that head multi-nationals HAVE to have homes in 3 different countries just so their family can follow them around the globe.. These socialists are driven by the ROMANCE of fairness and equal outcomes and ZERO RISK in life...

In fact, what I've learned about them by talking to the principled ones is the OVERRIDING difference between them and me is that they ABHOR RISK... They want RISK FREE lives for everyone and of course -- that boils down to them being driven by ROMANTIC NOTIONS and not logic, reason or knowledge of how to mitigate risks in life..
 

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The last thing I want is someone with sandpaper mittens entering the circle jerk. That’s why I put everyone on ignore that disagrees me.
 

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True...I admit it is a lot of fun skewering them and so forth....but for me...I have come to view it as a waste of time.
So, you're just here to pick fights with Repubs and Libertarians and Green Party members are ya??? :2up:

What about Socialists? Or Independents? Better get your dance card filled out first and see who's left....
I'm here to pick fights with you! :bye1: :cul2:

hehheh I intend to try and help all those republicans who are coinfused....aka the pc and moderate republicans mainly. i will put socialists on ignore
I know I SOUND coinfused... But I'm not as coinfused as most... :badgrin:

The Socialists are the HONEST ONES... Their the ones who will discuss with you... Some of my best I-net convos are with principled socialists that UNDERSTAND what they are asking for...

I wouldn't ignore them if I HAD an "ignore list"....
Where do you go on the net to have discussions with honest socialists?
Is there a special place?
There are no honest socalist. At the very least they're all deadbeats and thieves to begin with. You don't have to steal just money to be a thief.
 

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How could they still support untested, unproven models, or worse, leaders who have ravished and destroyed whole societies? (ANS: These people all have bad wiring in their brains). The weakness of capitalism is singular: it rest upon having MORALITY as its regulator. The ethics of serving the common, greater good.
Good theory on the neural defect.. :biggrin: But it's not a lack of education.. It's a lack of knowledge about "how things really work"... You hit on the miracle of free markets and capitalism which is that people get up EVERY MORNING to serve others voluntarily and in their own ways WITHOUT an Authoritarian superstructure to command them to do things.. For the socialists, they just can't abide not DICTATING to people what they shall wake up to do... Whether it's what they consume or what job they have or how their money be redistributed for fairness..

Bill Gates never stole from me.. I don't care if football stars make 40 times the nation's annual salary.. I don't CARE if American CEOs that head multi-nationals HAVE to have homes in 3 different countries just so their family can follow them around the globe.. These socialists are driven by the ROMANCE of fairness and equal outcomes and ZERO RISK in life...

In fact, what I've learned about them by talking to the principled ones is the OVERRIDING difference between them and me is that they ABHOR RISK... They want RISK FREE lives for everyone and of course -- that boils down to them being driven by ROMANTIC NOTIONS and not logic, reason or knowledge of how to mitigate risks in life..

Fine, fine, BUT . . .
  1. A computer can be programmed with all the knowledge of the Library of Congress and so be very educated. That doesn't make it smart. One cracked board or shorted wire and all the good data in cannot guarantee good data out, hence the bad wiring concept. If you want proof, I'll compile a list of all the evil men in the world who have destroyed whole societies who went to some of the finest universities in the world with fine degrees!
  2. The difference between voluntarism and authoritarianism is MORAL CONSCIOUS TO DUTY, to do something simply because you know it is the RIGHT thing to do, not because you are forced.
  3. Dictatorship is predicated on the idea that the people are the body, a labor force of the illiterate needing the DIRECTION of one, central mind. Really saves on education costs much less sleepless nights worrying whether the people will do the right things!
  4. The beauty of capitalism is that if Bill Gates makes 10,000 times more than the national average, it doesn't take one bite out of your slice of the pie, it just makes the pie bigger for all!
  5. Romance to an ideal because of its appeal due to simplicity or architectural balance is, much like Johannes Kepler's love for the harmony of the cosmos as a set of interlocking geometric shapes, is at best wrongheaded because it is anti-science: it puts the conclusion ahead of the evidence that instead of the conclusion flowing from the acquired set of facts (reality), it attempts to change reality to fit the desired outcome.
  6. Fairness, equal outcome and zero risk DO NOT EXIST in reality. Nowhere in the universe, in the creation of galaxies, solar systems, weather and climate, or animal life can anyone find fairness, equal outcome or zero risk. THE VERY NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE is random, hence intrinsically unfair, random, so only equal outcome rarely by statistical chance, and always with a risk. The very uncertain randomness of every aspect of matter and energy precludes the possibility of there ever being zero risk. Therefore, these are unobtainable human intellectual ideals (dreams) only, which have no counterpart in existence.
Now ALL of this is self-evident and can be logically proven as indisputable. Therefore, should all be immediately apparent to all your educated socialists instantly transforming them into well-reasoned, cognizant human beings. Except it never does. . . .

. . . . Because they all have bad wiring, which is right where our topic began. ;)
 

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How could they still support untested, unproven models, or worse, leaders who have ravished and destroyed whole societies? (ANS: These people all have bad wiring in their brains). The weakness of capitalism is singular: it rest upon having MORALITY as its regulator. The ethics of serving the common, greater good.
Good theory on the neural defect.. :biggrin: But it's not a lack of education.. It's a lack of knowledge about "how things really work"... You hit on the miracle of free markets and capitalism which is that people get up EVERY MORNING to serve others voluntarily and in their own ways WITHOUT an Authoritarian superstructure to command them to do things.. For the socialists, they just can't abide not DICTATING to people what they shall wake up to do... Whether it's what they consume or what job they have or how their money be redistributed for fairness..

Bill Gates never stole from me.. I don't care if football stars make 40 times the nation's annual salary.. I don't CARE if American CEOs that head multi-nationals HAVE to have homes in 3 different countries just so their family can follow them around the globe.. These socialists are driven by the ROMANCE of fairness and equal outcomes and ZERO RISK in life...

In fact, what I've learned about them by talking to the principled ones is the OVERRIDING difference between them and me is that they ABHOR RISK... They want RISK FREE lives for everyone and of course -- that boils down to them being driven by ROMANTIC NOTIONS and not logic, reason or knowledge of how to mitigate risks in life..

Fine, fine, BUT . . .
  1. A computer can be programmed with all the knowledge of the Library of Congress and so be very educated. That doesn't make it smart. One cracked board or shorted wire and all the good data in cannot guarantee good data out, hence the bad wiring concept. If you want proof, I'll compile a list of all the evil men in the world who have destroyed whole societies who went to some of the finest universities in the world with fine degrees!
  2. The difference between voluntarism and authoritarianism is MORAL CONSCIOUS TO DUTY, to do something simply because you know it is the RIGHT thing to do, not because you are forced.
  3. Dictatorship is predicated on the idea that the people are the body, a labor force of the illiterate needing the DIRECTION of one, central mind. Really saves on education costs much less sleepless nights worrying whether the people will do the right things!
  4. The beauty of capitalism is that if Bill Gates makes 10,000 times more than the national average, it doesn't take one bite out of your slice of the pie, it just makes the pie bigger for all!
  5. Romance to an ideal because of its appeal due to simplicity or architectural balance is, much like Johannes Kepler's love for the harmony of the cosmos as a set of interlocking geometric shapes, is at best wrongheaded because it is anti-science: it puts the conclusion ahead of the evidence that instead of the conclusion flowing from the acquired set of facts (reality), it attempts to change reality to fit the desired outcome.
  6. Fairness, equal outcome and zero risk DO NOT EXIST in reality. Nowhere in the universe, in the creation of galaxies, solar systems, weather and climate, or animal life can anyone find fairness, equal outcome or zero risk. THE VERY NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE is random, hence intrinsically unfair, random, so only equal outcome rarely by statistical chance, and always with a risk. The very uncertain randomness of every aspect of matter and energy precludes the possibility of there ever being zero risk. Therefore, these are unobtainable human intellectual ideals (dreams) only, which have no counterpart in existence.
Now ALL of this is self-evident and can be logically proven as indisputable. Therefore, should all be immediately apparent to all your educated socialists instantly transforming them into well-reasoned, cognizant human beings. Except it never does. . . .

. . . . Because they all have bad wiring, which is right where our topic began. ;)
That's all well done and good.. Now all you have to do is to explain the NEED to take Authoritarian powers to IMPLEMENT any form of socialism/communism to make everyone's life "risk free"... Risk free from want, or health or income.. Risk free from destroying the world thru the consumerism of capitalism...

But NOT risk free a minion of morons DICTATING the script of every aspect of daily life to you....

There's where it all ends up at the end of a GOOD discussion with a "Democratic Socialist"...

:abgg2q.jpg:
 

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How could they still support untested, unproven models, or worse, leaders who have ravished and destroyed whole societies? (ANS: These people all have bad wiring in their brains). The weakness of capitalism is singular: it rest upon having MORALITY as its regulator. The ethics of serving the common, greater good.
Good theory on the neural defect.. :biggrin: But it's not a lack of education.. It's a lack of knowledge about "how things really work"... You hit on the miracle of free markets and capitalism which is that people get up EVERY MORNING to serve others voluntarily and in their own ways WITHOUT an Authoritarian superstructure to command them to do things.. For the socialists, they just can't abide not DICTATING to people what they shall wake up to do... Whether it's what they consume or what job they have or how their money be redistributed for fairness..

Bill Gates never stole from me.. I don't care if football stars make 40 times the nation's annual salary.. I don't CARE if American CEOs that head multi-nationals HAVE to have homes in 3 different countries just so their family can follow them around the globe.. These socialists are driven by the ROMANCE of fairness and equal outcomes and ZERO RISK in life...

In fact, what I've learned about them by talking to the principled ones is the OVERRIDING difference between them and me is that they ABHOR RISK... They want RISK FREE lives for everyone and of course -- that boils down to them being driven by ROMANTIC NOTIONS and not logic, reason or knowledge of how to mitigate risks in life..

Fine, fine, BUT . . .
  1. A computer can be programmed with all the knowledge of the Library of Congress and so be very educated. That doesn't make it smart. One cracked board or shorted wire and all the good data in cannot guarantee good data out, hence the bad wiring concept. If you want proof, I'll compile a list of all the evil men in the world who have destroyed whole societies who went to some of the finest universities in the world with fine degrees!
  2. The difference between voluntarism and authoritarianism is MORAL CONSCIOUS TO DUTY, to do something simply because you know it is the RIGHT thing to do, not because you are forced.
  3. Dictatorship is predicated on the idea that the people are the body, a labor force of the illiterate needing the DIRECTION of one, central mind. Really saves on education costs much less sleepless nights worrying whether the people will do the right things!
  4. The beauty of capitalism is that if Bill Gates makes 10,000 times more than the national average, it doesn't take one bite out of your slice of the pie, it just makes the pie bigger for all!
  5. Romance to an ideal because of its appeal due to simplicity or architectural balance is, much like Johannes Kepler's love for the harmony of the cosmos as a set of interlocking geometric shapes, is at best wrongheaded because it is anti-science: it puts the conclusion ahead of the evidence that instead of the conclusion flowing from the acquired set of facts (reality), it attempts to change reality to fit the desired outcome.
  6. Fairness, equal outcome and zero risk DO NOT EXIST in reality. Nowhere in the universe, in the creation of galaxies, solar systems, weather and climate, or animal life can anyone find fairness, equal outcome or zero risk. THE VERY NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE is random, hence intrinsically unfair, random, so only equal outcome rarely by statistical chance, and always with a risk. The very uncertain randomness of every aspect of matter and energy precludes the possibility of there ever being zero risk. Therefore, these are unobtainable human intellectual ideals (dreams) only, which have no counterpart in existence.
Now ALL of this is self-evident and can be logically proven as indisputable. Therefore, should all be immediately apparent to all your educated socialists instantly transforming them into well-reasoned, cognizant human beings. Except it never does. . . .

. . . . Because they all have bad wiring, which is right where our topic began. ;)
That's all well done and good.. Now all you have to do is to explain the NEED to take Authoritarian powers to IMPLEMENT any form of socialism/communism to make everyone's life "risk free"... Risk free from want, or health or income.. Risk free from destroying the world thru the consumerism of capitalism...

But NOT risk free a minion of morons DICTATING the script of every aspect of daily life to you....

There's where it all ends up at the end of a GOOD discussion with a "Democratic Socialist"...

:abgg2q.jpg:
AND THEREIN LIES THE RUB. It's like a puzzle that you have finally figured out and all the pieces fall finally into place-- -- -- -- until you turn around to realize there is one piece left over.

So long as you have some higher, central, all-powerful authority dictating to others total control over their lives to manage risk, limit want, determine health, and fix income, you have only distributed risk rather than eliminate it, worse, you magnify want and discontent by making aspiration unobtainable, destroy health by assigning it a fixed value, and abolish ambition, competition and excellence by removing incentive.

For the perfection of socialism lies only in the mechanization of society, which by its very nature, destroys the human spirit which is at the heart of what drives human society in the first place.
 

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