The ideal American Political Party (Chuz Life's version)

[Chuz Life]

Really, the political dysfunction of the US is guaranteed by the electoral law stipulated by the Constitution, which has allowed partisan interests to gatekeep the system.

Can you expound on that? My understanding is just the opposite. The EC is in place to guard against majority rule, mob mentality, where the more densely populated areas could vote the rural, less populated areas into helplessness and no representation.

 

[cnm]

Can you expound on that? My understanding is just the opposite. The EC is in place to guard against majority rule, mob mentality, where the more densely populated areas could vote the rural, less populated areas into helplessness and no representation.

As opposed to a few hundred thousand or whatever in seven swing states making the rest of the country irrelevant? Yeah, right.

Nor was that the only consideration when the EC was envisaged. You have been held prisoner by a hastily conceived system.

The partisan parties in the states, enabled by the Constitution, have made getting on ballots such a performance as to deter viable challenges to their rice bowls.

Why Was the Electoral College Created? | HISTORY

The Founding Fathers had to compromise when it came to devising a system to elect the president.

www.history.com

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At the time of the Philadelphia convention, no other country in the world directly elected its chief executive, so the delegates were wading into uncharted territory. Further complicating the task was a deep-rooted distrust of executive power. After all, the fledgling nation had just fought its way out from under a tyrannical king and overreaching colonial governors. They didn’t want another despot on their hands.​

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One group of delegates felt strongly that Congress shouldn’t have anything to do with picking the president. Too much opportunity for chummy corruption between the executive and legislative branches.​

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Another camp was dead set against letting the people elect the president by a straight popular vote. First, they thought 18th-century voters lacked the resources to be fully informed about the candidates, especially in rural outposts. Second, they feared a headstrong “democratic mob” steering the country astray. And third, a populist president appealing directly to the people could command dangerous amounts of power.​

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Out of those drawn-out debates came a compromise based on the idea of electoral intermediaries. These intermediaries wouldn’t be picked by Congress or elected by the people. Instead, the states would each appoint independent “electors” who would cast the actual ballots for the presidency.​

 

[Chuz Life]

As opposed to a few hundred thousand or whatever in seven swing states making the rest of the country irrelevant? Yeah, right.

I have no idea what you were trying to say with that.

I support that effort.

 

[cnm]

I have no idea what you were trying to say with that.

Effectively, only the seven swing states have 'representation'.

 

[cnm]

I support that effort.

I suppose that contributes to the reasons the US is considered to be a flawed democracy.

 

[Chuz Life]

Effectively, only the seven swing states have 'representation'.

This could be made better - how?

I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Chuz Life]

I suppose that contributes to the reasons the US is considered to be a flawed democracy.

We are a representative republic, though.

We were Never intended to be a democracy.

 

[cnm]

We are a representative republic, though.

We were Never intended to be a democracy.

Oh ffs.

Democracy is a system of government in which people choose their rulers by voting for them in elections.​

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Synonyms: self-government, republic, commonwealth, autonomy​

 

[cnm]

This could be made better - how?

A national one person one vote election for president, on a national ballot.

For a start.

So, it all goes back to the dysfunctional founding documents that have been used as instruments of political capture.

 

[Chuz Life]

A national one person one vote election for president, on a national ballot.

For a start.

So, it all goes back to the dysfunctional founding documents that have been used as instruments of political capture.

One person one vote sounds great but it has nothing to protect scattered rural populations from having their lives and laws decided by the inner city masses.

 

[cnm]

One person one vote sounds great but it has nothing to protect scattered rural populations from having their lives and laws decided by the inner city masses.

Well, thinking prairie is as/more valuable than people is one of the reasons you're in your present situation.

Exceptional all right.

 

[cnm]

One person one vote sounds great but it has nothing to protect scattered rural populations from having their lives and laws decided by the inner city masses.

Yeah, you'd probably have to give up some instruments of political capture, no argument.

 

[Chuz Life]

Well, thinking prairie is as/more valuable than people is one of the reasons you're in your present situation.

Exceptional all right.

This doesn't english to me.

 

[cnm]

This doesn't english to me.

With the US electoral arrangement, prairie can have more voting power than people. It's not exactly rocket science.

 

[Mac-7]

candycorn

The leftwing has embraced some pretty wacky ideas involving DEI, transgenders, open borders, grooming children, ect that normal Americans reject

 

[candycorn]

That is why you can't have nice things. The US believes its own propaganda.

Feel free to name a nation that’s had a better run since its founding.

 

[Chuz Life]

With the US electoral arrangement, prairie can have more voting power than people. It's not exactly rocket science.

You see it as more, but I see it as "equal."

You may have or find anecdotal cases to support your claim, but more often than not (and by design), the Electoral College is a tool for equality more than a tool to give advantage to the "prairies."

 

[candycorn]

you gave me your opinion and I said .. whaaaaa

An opinion based on objective achievements of our civilization. Achievements that took place during the “divided” government.

 

[candycorn]

With the US electoral arrangement, prairie can have more voting power than people. It's not exactly rocket science.

As the OP has done (more or less), please tell us your remedy to the electoral college.

Here’s mine--more of an enhancement than a replacement. Keep the electoral college as it is; you need a majority of electoral votes--270 to become the President-Elect. Keep that exactly as it is today.

However, given our technological capabilities and safeguards in place to ensure accuracy, there is no reason why the wishes of the majority of voters cannot be taken into account as well. Its the essence of our nation--the people choose the leaders. It will never come to pass--sadly--but what we should do is add in the stipulation that the President-Elect also get the plurality of the popular vote--no the majority; the plurality.

It puts more of the nation into play than the current system. Republicans who are in large cities which are overwhelmingly democratic in most cases now have their voices heard. Rural democrats can weigh in as well.

Anyway...please let us hear your system that will replace the electoral college.

 

[progressive hunter]

An opinion based on objective achievements of our civilization. Achievements that took place during the “divided” government.

you think 38 trillion in debt dumped on future generations is an achievement??

next youre going to tell me abortion is child care,,