The Hungarian Prime Minister - a true leader (Tucker interview).

[bripat9643]

Orban has gotten rid of a free press. He has packed the courts with his cronies. He has rigged the elections to guarantee he cannot be defeated. Higher education is controlled by the state. It sounds a lot like what Republicans are trying to do. It shows what fascists you are.

The state controls higher education in this country, moron. We have also gotten rid of the free press. It has become nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Biden and the Dims are busy packing the court with their cronies, and they have been threatening to create more justices just so they can appoint a majority.

 

[jillian]

But you prefer the imaginary utopia being proposed by the illegitimately elected president and Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Democrat Commies.... Just like Communist China.

The president isn’t illegitimate. Anyone who lives in a factual reality knows that.

Trumpkin insurgents aren’t very bright. Worse trumpkins are a bunch if treasonous liars

 

[jillian]

Kind of like here where the Democrats rig our elections.

Only in delusional trumpkinville

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

Of course this list of fascism has been posted many times, but a refresher seems to be necessary:

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism, by Lawrence Britt, Spring 2003

www.ratical.org

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

and how does any of that directly relate to the Hungarian PM?

I'd also question about 50% of that list too.

Not convinced in the slightest.

 

[366h34d]

I don't know what Biden's economy will be. The time will show. And I want to underline that I don't support an open border policy per se. Immigration should be controlled, with transparent rules and have its limits.

I guess you miss the sarcasm

 

[Pellinore]

and how does any of that directly relate to the Hungarian PM?

I'd also question about 50% of that list too.

Not convinced in the slightest.

That list is actually pretty in line with most political scientists' and historians' definitions of fascism. One of the big characteristics of fascism is that it adapts itself to the country, so in some societies you see more of some characteristics than others, but overall it's a pretty solid list.

Orban is working overtime with #3 (scapegoating), #6 and #9 (controlling the media and corporations), #13 (corruption), and especially #14 (controlling elections). He's getting there on a few others, but he hasn't embraced the reliance on the military yet, for example, which is why I say he's on the road to being a full-blown fascist dictator, but I'm not convinced I'd call him one right yet.

What is terrifying about him is that he is running the playbook for how to turn a democracy into an dictatorship. He is an autocrat, that's for sure, and he manipulated the system into giving him all of the power, to the point where the other parties are more or less window dressing by now. The fact that our right wing is embracing him makes me think that that is their plan for us. I, to put it lightly, don't want that.

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

That list is actually pretty in line with most political scientists' and historians' definitions of fascism. One of the big characteristics of fascism is that it adapts itself to the country, so in some societies you see more of some characteristics than others, but overall it's a pretty solid list.

Orban is working overtime with #3 (scapegoating), #6 and #9 (controlling the media and corporations), #13 (corruption), and especially #14 (controlling elections). He's getting there on a few others, but he hasn't embraced the reliance on the military yet, for example, which is why I say he's on the road to being a full-blown fascist dictator, but I'm not convinced I'd call him one right yet.

What is terrifying about him is that he is running the playbook for how to turn a democracy into an dictatorship. He is an autocrat, that's for sure, and he manipulated the system into giving him all of the power, to the point where the other parties are more or less window dressing by now. The fact that our right wing is embracing him makes me think that that is their plan for us. I, to put it lightly, don't want that.

What political scientists and historians? can you provide citations please? and then link all the examples that were listed to the Hungarian PM giving examples of what he's done to match it up and tick it all off.

Maybe it's me that just doesn't know the definition of fascism but if that's true what you say, then it's the same as racism (the term) nowadays where it's been redefined and expanded to include all sorts of additional criteria just so it's easier to label something fascist. Which is dangerous because it lets the real fascists slip through the net while everyone get's tagged it as a catch-all.

 

[basquebromance]

The GOP seem to have dictator immunity

if a Democrat sucked up to a dictator like that, they would bring back the electric chair

the right foment fear of the left, and say we need to get rid of democracy to get rid of the left...

 

[cnm]

The same things are done in every country by various political parties on both sides.

Maybe in the US.

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

The GOP seem to have dictator immunity

if a Democrat sucked up to a dictator like that, they would bring back the electric chair

the right foment fear of the left, and say we need to get rid of democracy to get rid of the left...

I've read some shit in my time on here and that's right up there.

 

[basquebromance]

I've read some shit in my time on here and that's right up there.

Some proof:

 

[Colin norris]

talks about Biden how he's acting strange, how when Trump was in charge America was a good friend and that his fellow European Member States with the exception of a few of them prefer the liberal approach compared to the Conservative approach which is damaging.

He makes zero apologies for not wanting illegal migrants to flood the country because it's dangerous.

Honestly, what would expect fox to say. Half the people in America wouldn't know where Hungary was let alone what the fascist capitalist leader says.
I'm sure uncle Joe is adjusting his policies in accordance with his criticism.

 

[22lcidw]

The president isn’t illegitimate. Anyone who lives in a factual reality knows that.

Trumpkin insurgents aren’t very bright. Worse trumpkins are a bunch if treasonous liars

No one has rallies with a few people showing up and wins elections. That means the voters for that candidate are not energized or are purely out for their own interests with the voting system as is.

 

[jillian]

No one has rallies with a few people showing up and wins elections. That means the voters for that candidate are not energized or are purely out for their own interests with the voting system as is.

The loud mouth trump cultists weren’t the country. *shrig*. And Biden voters knew there was a pandemic going on and thought super spreader events were imbecilic.

Poor delusional trumpkins