The Homelessness Conundrum

[martybegan]

So the homeless don’t suffer enough.
The poor always do better when you give them less

No, the issue is they suffer just not enough to continue and not feel the need to fix their situation.

There is no force used to get them to help themselves, no judgement on their condition. Just perpetual "just enough not to die"

 

[Polishprince]

Weather. That's the big attraction.

The change to spare is critically important as well.

Big liberal city dwellers are cool with giving money to bums with squeegies posted at red lights.

Those in more conservative cities will tell the bum to go copulate themselves.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Weather. That's the big attraction.

I guess the question should be, why are they homeless in the first place? Then address that on a nationwide basis and not leave it up to localities to handle.

 

[Woodznutz]

I guess the question should be, why are they homeless in the first place? Then address that on a nationwide basis and not leave it up to localities to handle.

Localities should kick the bums out. That will send a clear message to higher ups; "You made this mess; you clean it up". We are too concerned with the last domino to fall when we should be concerned with the first.

 

[martybegan]

I guess the question should be, why are they homeless in the first place? Then address that on a nationwide basis and not leave it up to localities to handle.

It a thousand different issues that many want to lump into one.

It ranges from the rare "down on their luck lost their job and have no family to help" to the all too common "mentally ill, drug addicted, and don't give a fuck"

You have to treat each issue type individually.

 

[Woodznutz]

It a thousand different issues that many want to lump into one.

It ranges from the rare "down on their luck lost their job and have no family to help" to the all too common "mentally ill, drug addicted, and don't give a fuck"

You have to treat each issue type individually.

Many are only temporarily homeless, until they get a job.

 

[Zincwarrior]

It a thousand different issues that many want to lump into one.

It ranges from the rare "down on their luck lost their job and have no family to help" to the all too common "mentally ill, drug addicted, and don't give a fuck"

You have to treat each issue type individually.

Agreed.

 

[Woodznutz]

It a thousand different issues that many want to lump into one.

It ranges from the rare "down on their luck lost their job and have no family to help" to the all too common "mentally ill, drug addicted, and don't give a fuck"

You have to treat each issue type individually.

Easily done. The problem is that we have wrong people in charge of those programs, which are flawed in themselves.

 

[rightwinger]

No, the issue is they suffer just not enough to continue and not feel the need to fix their situation.

There is no force used to get them to help themselves, no judgement on their condition. Just perpetual "just enough not to die"

So you stop feeding the homeless
Kick them out of shelters

What result do you expect?

 

[rightwinger]

To Conservatives, the issue is that the poor do not suffer enough and the wealthy are not expected to suffer at all

 

[theHawk]

Mayor Ed Gainey addresses homeless issue as protesters picket his house

During a Monday afternoon news conference, Mayor Ed Gainey addressed concerns about decommissioning homeless encampments and ensuring adequate shelter...

www.post-gazette.com

Here in Pittsburgh, the homeless "crisis" is steadily increasing in magnitude as the civic officials fret over how to "solve" it. It is a little more urgent here than it is in, say, Los Angeles, because we will have a few days this Winter (thanks to Global Warming) when it could actually be life-threatening to be sleeping out on the streets.

My son recently sent me his thoughts on the matter, expressed in "music."


But the homelessness conundrum is, in my opinion, the more painless "we" make life for the homeless, the more people will simply decide that homelessness is a better option that their alternatives, e.g., working a lot of hours to rent a hovel. To illustrate, imagine that Elon Musk had his engineers devise an inexpensive retrofit for excess ocean shipping containers, making them into livable sleeping rooms with minimal but complete facilities. He makes them available to municipalities at a reasonable cost to address their respective homeless crises, and guess what? A LOT of people on the edge of homelessness decide to jump off and avail themselves.

In California, they spend BILLIONS on the "homeless crisis" and it never gets any better. Indeed, there are armies of NGO workers who would be - dare I say it - homeless themselves if the problem were solved because they would not have jobs.

In the face of this matter, as we, the general public, ponder what should be done, I think the relevant question to ask is, "Why is 98% of the general public NOT homeless?" And the answer is, Because we go out to work every day in order to put a roof over our heads. Nobody is giving us a place to sleep; we have to WORK for it. Aside from the "Deserving Poor" (mainly widows, orphans, and crazies), why should "we" fret over the lives of those who simply won't do what WE are doing in order to stay warm and dry There are a shitload of jobs out there for anyone who wants one.

I just don't care as much as I'm supposed to. Sorry.

Elon is right, when you award more money for homelessness, the corrupt will find a way to make more homeless:

 

[martybegan]

Many are only temporarily homeless, until they get a job.

Many of those aren't homeless at all because of friends and family.

 

[theHawk]

To Conservatives, the issue is that the poor do not suffer enough and the wealthy are not expected to suffer at all

To liberals, legalizing drug use which gets more people addicted and ruins their lives, is not expected to create more homeless.

 

[martybegan]

So you stop feeding the homeless
Kick them out of shelters

What result do you expect?

No, you make lazy ones shame for their situation, and you treat the ones who are mentally ill.

 

[martybegan]

To Conservatives, the issue is that the poor do not suffer enough and the wealthy are not expected to suffer at all

To progressives, the goal isn't to end homelessness, it's to perpetuate it.

 

[Hellokitty]

If you build a "homeless" shelter or accommodate them in any way, they will come.

It's really as simple as that.

Right they will come and trash the accommodations and move on...

 

[JohnDB]

 

[ReinyDays]

If I wanted to be a homeless bum, I'd move to LA.

The weather is ideal to stay outside, they don't care if you shit on the sidewalk, and plenty of rich people with change to spare.

Indeed ... I was homeless and Southern California was my first stop ... warm beaches even in December ... plenty of food being thrown away ... real easy to stay ahead of vagrancy charges ... actual honest-to-God public restrooms !!! ...

But this is when crazies were housed and junkies were few and far between ... My main schtick was putting an hour's labor behind a restaurant and fill my belly up on left-overs ... back when the "work = reward" still functioned ...

The down side is I didn't get laid and you can forget drugs ... both were way too expensive in SoCal ...

 

[Hellokitty]

To Conservatives, the issue is that the poor do not suffer enough and the wealthy are not expected to suffer at all

Not sure why the wealthy should be expected to suffer...

As for the homeless the majority are content with their lifestyle.
You give them housing and take care of their every need hoping it will lead to them accepting responsibility is naive.
They were perfectly content with being homeless.

 

[Care4all]

I just don't care as much as I'm supposed to. Sorry.

Getting to the root of their problems is where to start....do they need to be institutionalized? Put in to AA programs, or Drug rehab etc? Do they need a lift up with needed job skills training, interview training, confidence building, needed childcare so they can work? Cost of housing? Shortage of housing? Etc etc etc....

And programs where the productive get the container homes as incentive and reward type thing....

Our govt seems to only do Short Cuts and EasyPeasy, that always fail....instead of addressing root causes...


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