frigidweirdo
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So, if we don't use renewables, what do we use that isn't bad for the Earth?
The Green Paradox, We Must Destroy The World, To Save The World
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So, if we don't use renewables, what do we use that isn't bad for the Earth?
elektra
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that is a good point, everything is bad in one way or another
For electricity, Nuclear power is the only way to go.
If we are really concerned with running out of fossil fuels, Renewables is not a solution, short term or long term. Renewables, either solar or wind, simply takes way too much natural resources. Renewables give us a poor return on the natural resources we use. Intermittent, they dont work at night. Wind sometimes works at night but many a night is still.
Big cities, need to get bigger. More high density housing, in Manhattan, in Los Angeles, San Diego, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago. Wherever there is traffic, commuting, we could build high density housing to alleviate the need to commute.
Commuting, why not electric rails that cars latch onto? Magnetic rails? Inductance? No battery, no problems. In the big cities.
The Renewable Heavy industry simply makes Wall st. rich.
frigidweirdo
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Or how about we reduce the world's population to something that is sustainable?
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Well, I think that either we do it properly, or it'll happen naturally through starvation, war etc.
The war in the Ukraine might be the start.
Are you planning on providing yourself with food and drink while you're living? How about shelter? Medical care?
frigidweirdo
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Sounds like "we mess it all up and then suffer the consequences", proving we really are just biological beings who are predestined to do what they do.
I was just trying to see what was included in your "just live".
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We're NOT destroying the world....We're attempting to make it better, more efficient and better off.
1. Cleaning up the air and water = higher quality of life.
2. The sun and wind is going to be around for the next billion + years. Coal, natural gas and oil isn't. Humanity mid to long term is better off with resources that will be here for us long term.
3. More in house..Solar and wind is made here in our back yard instead of going to fight for it half way around the world.
I don't see what is your point...I like fusion more but that is 30 years off.
1. Cleaning up the air and water = higher quality of life.
2. The sun and wind is going to be around for the next billion + years. Coal, natural gas and oil isn't. Humanity mid to long term is better off with resources that will be here for us long term.
3. More in house..Solar and wind is made here in our back yard instead of going to fight for it half way around the world.
I don't see what is your point...I like fusion more but that is 30 years off.
Here I have refuted every claim you've just made. There are more floods, more droughts, more high intensity hurricanes and rising sea levels. I added increasing ocean heat content just for the icing on the cake.
Global-scale river flood vulnerability in the last 50 years - Scientific Reports
The impacts of flooding are expected to rise due to population increases, economic growth and climate change. Hence, understanding the physical and spatiotemporal characteristics of risk drivers (hazard, exposure and vulnerability) is required to develop effective flood mitigation measures...
www.nature.com
Trends in flood losses in Europe over the past 150 years - Nature Communications
Flooding may cause loss of life and economic damage, therefore temporal changes need assessment. Here, the authors show that since 1870 there has been an increase in area inundated by floods in Europe, but a reduction in fatalities and economic losses, although caution that smaller floods remain...
www.nature.com
The timing of unprecedented hydrological drought under climate change - Nature Communications
Significant regional disparities exist in the time left to prepare for unprecedented drought and how much we can buy time depending on climate scenarios. Specific regions pass this timing by the middle of 21st century even with stringent mitigation.
www.nature.com
World ‘at a crossroads’ in management of droughts, up 29% in a generation and worsening, reports the UN | World Energy Data
Humanity is “at a crossroads” when it comes to managing drought and accelerating mitigation must be done “urgently, using every tool we can,” says a new report from the United Nations Convention to…
www.worldenergydata.org
Are hurricanes getting stronger? Science may finally be approaching an answer
A new study tries to get rid of frustrating hurricane data problems, once and for all.
www.motherjones.com
Historical Atlantic Hurricane and Tropical Storm Records – Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
Historical Changes in Atlantic Hurricane and Tropical Storms Gabriel A. Vecchi and Thomas R. Knutson How well do we know the historical cyclone record? Observational records of tropical storm and hurricanes are essential in order to discern how climatic changes have influenced tropical storms...
www.gfdl.noaa.gov
welcome | Sea Level Research Group
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Sea Level | NASA Global Climate Change
Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.
Ocean heat content - Wikipedia
Heat Content, Temperature, Oceans, and the Pause
Surface and atmospheric temperature appears to have been roughly constant for about the past twelve years, perhaps a little longer, a patte...
daviddfriedman.blogspot.com
No, fusion research has made some major gains lately. We should have our first operational fusion power plant within a decade.
elektra
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all your graphs fall short, by yearsHere I have refuted every claim you've just made. There are more floods, more droughts, more high intensity hurricanes and rising sea levels. I added increasing ocean heat content just for the icing on the cake.
Global-scale river flood vulnerability in the last 50 years - Scientific Reports
The impacts of flooding are expected to rise due to population increases, economic growth and climate change. Hence, understanding the physical and spatiotemporal characteristics of risk drivers (hazard, exposure and vulnerability) is required to develop effective flood mitigation measures...
Trends in flood losses in Europe over the past 150 years - Nature Communications
Flooding may cause loss of life and economic damage, therefore temporal changes need assessment. Here, the authors show that since 1870 there has been an increase in area inundated by floods in Europe, but a reduction in fatalities and economic losses, although caution that smaller floods remain...
The timing of unprecedented hydrological drought under climate change - Nature Communications
Significant regional disparities exist in the time left to prepare for unprecedented drought and how much we can buy time depending on climate scenarios. Specific regions pass this timing by the middle of 21st century even with stringent mitigation.
World ‘at a crossroads’ in management of droughts, up 29% in a generation and worsening, reports the UN | World Energy Data
Humanity is “at a crossroads” when it comes to managing drought and accelerating mitigation must be done “urgently, using every tool we can,” says a new report from the United Nations Convention to…
Are hurricanes getting stronger? Science may finally be approaching an answer
A new study tries to get rid of frustrating hurricane data problems, once and for all.
Historical Atlantic Hurricane and Tropical Storm Records – Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
Historical Changes in Atlantic Hurricane and Tropical Storms Gabriel A. Vecchi and Thomas R. Knutson How well do we know the historical cyclone record? Observational records of tropical storm and hurricanes are essential in order to discern how climatic changes have influenced tropical storms...www.gfdl.noaa.gov
welcome | Sea Level Research Group
sealevel.colorado.edu
Sea Level | NASA Global Climate Change
Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.climate.nasa.gov
Ocean heat content - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Heat Content, Temperature, Oceans, and the Pause
Surface and atmospheric temperature appears to have been roughly constant for about the past twelve years, perhaps a little longer, a patte...
all your graphs are a gross distortion, adjust to magnify the results to make them look scary
Hurricanes and storms have not been stronger than in the past, if anything, they are weaker. Sadly though, there is more infrastructure to strike so to the ignorant, it seems like they are worst than before.
Either way, more or less, if we go with more, than there is about a zero increase in damage anywhere in the world due to global warming.
That's as pure a case of weaseling as I've ever seen. Your contentions are bullshit. There's a reason I'm posting data and you're spewing bullshit.
elektra
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no, data is numbers, you posted colored pictures, it is nice outside, that is how I know you are full of shit, not to mention, the solution you support destroys the earth by the mile, alternative/renewable/green/clean, did I miss any?
It mine as well be lgbtqARGC
My posts include verifiable links and data. Your posts contain NOTHING. Got that? NOTHING. Why would anyone believe you?
elektra
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Crick, you know for a fact that I have started numerous threads and have linked dozens of times to show your ignorance. I would think at this point in our interactions, you would be civil and have a desire to actually learn instead of trying your hand at repeating the Democratic Party talking points in regards to climate and energy.
Here is a good example of your ignorance Crick. Crick did a google search to confirm his opinion on Lithium Ion Batteries (I will ignore how crick completely misunderstood my comment). Only thing Crick got wrong is Crick had no idea that a Lithium Ion battery is not the same as a Lithium battery.
The lithium ion battery was invented by a fellow named Lewis Urry who was employed by the Everready Battery company in Canada. He also invented the alkaline battery.
Lewis Urry - Wikipedia
It was not invented by government and it was not the government that developed the demand.
Here is the entry in wikipedia, no mention of Lithium Ion batteries.
who invented the lithium ion battery entered in google search results in this;
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Where are your data concerning trends in storm intensity?
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