The Green Paradox, We Must Destroy The World, To Save The World

[elektra]

The hazard of continued use of fossil fuels is the actual "brutal" destruction of rain forests throughout South America and in a manner that cannot be rectified by replanting, as can balsa trees.

Liar, how are fossil fuels destroying the rain forests of South America?

Wind Turbines require all the Balsa wood in the world. Not some, not half, all the balsa wood. How many other plants, birds, reptiles, or animals die along with the destruction of the Wind Turbine's appetite for Balsa wood.


As we can see, it is not simply trees that suffer, it is life itself. Indians, Democrats like to blame the USA for the destruction of indians, yet here is an example of native american people literally being devastated and the democrats to give a shit!

Indigenous Amazonian communities bear the burden of Ecuador’s balsa boom

This story is a reporting partnership between Mongabay Latam and La Barra Espaciadora. Balsa wood is a hot commodity in Ecuador, with the country exporting $402 million worth of the timber in 2020 alone, according to data from the central bank. But the lucrative trade has reportedly come at a...

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“All kinds of birds use balsa to balance their energy, monkeys use it, tapirs, peccaries, also nocturnal animals like the jaguar and the agouti,”

 

[Crick]

Liar, how are fossil fuels destroying the rain forests of South America?

Wind Turbines require all the Balsa wood in the world. Not some, not half, all the balsa wood. How many other plants, birds, reptiles, or animals die along with the destruction of the Wind Turbine's appetite for Balsa wood.


As we can see, it is not simply trees that suffer, it is life itself. Indians, Democrats like to blame the USA for the destruction of indians, yet here is an example of native american people literally being devastated and the democrats to give a shit!

Indigenous Amazonian communities bear the burden of Ecuador’s balsa boom

This story is a reporting partnership between Mongabay Latam and La Barra Espaciadora. Balsa wood is a hot commodity in Ecuador, with the country exporting $402 million worth of the timber in 2020 alone, according to data from the central bank. But the lucrative trade has reportedly come at a...

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Valued across the world for its strong but light wood, the balsa tree is native to the rainforests of South America. Over 95% of balsa wood comes from Ecuador, where it is grown in dense plantations. Balsa trees grow incredibly rapidly, reaching nearly 30 metres in under 15 years, but rarely live beyond 35 years.

Taking virgin balsa must stop, even if it slows production of wind turbines. I am certain there are alternatives. I think the balsa tree will survive. For instance:

The plastic material polyethylene terephthalate (PET) has increasingly been used as a substitute for balsa in turbine blades, accounting for about 30 percent of the market. But a boom in demand on the back of the balsa problems has also created a shortage of PET. Polyvinyl chloride, or PVC, is another alternative. Here is a use for some of that petroleum with which you're all so madly in love.

 

[elektra]

The plastic material polyethylene terephthalate (PET) has increasingly been used as a substitute for balsa in turbine blades, accounting for about 30 percent of the market. But a boom in demand on the back of the balsa problems has also created a shortage of PET. Polyvinyl chloride, or PVC, is another alternative. Here is a use for some of that petroleum with which you're all so madly in love.

As I have said, wind turbines increase the use of fossil fuels.

Yes, plastics can and are used. But, Balsa wood is cheap and the renewables heavy industry is only about profit at the expense of life on earth. Why else would they destroy such large areas of rain forest?

 

[Woodznutz]

Paradoxically the hazards and costs of preventing AGW, is actual destruction of the Rain Forest in Eucador.

How the wind power boom is driving deforestation in the Amazon

Demand for balsa wood, which is used to make turbine blades, has spiked to the point that it is causing significant damage to indigenous communities in Ecuador

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Sounds like the problem isn't fossil fuels, but man hisself.

 

[Crick]

Sounds like the problem isn't fossil fuels, but man hisself.

Sounds like wind turbine manufacturers need to use less balsa wood (find substitutes) and the Ecuadorian government should do more to protect virgin growth.

 

[elektra]

Sounds like wind turbine manufacturers need to use less balsa wood (find substitutes) and the Ecuadorian government should do more to protect virgin growth.

The only substitute for balsa wood is plastic, hence building wind turbine blades will require increasing the use of fossil fuels which is the source of plastic.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

Oh, my mistake. I thought you said "pair of ducks".

It's not people who have a problem with the weather. We adapt.
It's the politicians who use it for their personal agendas and propaganda, in order to bilk more money out of the stupid and gullible.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Crick]

The only substitute for balsa wood is plastic, hence building wind turbine blades will require increasing the use of fossil fuels which is the source of plastic.

Fiberglass. Carbon fiber. Glass fiber reinforced foams. Other woods. And, if the Ecuadorian government were able to stop the illegal harvest of virgin wood, there'd be no option but to find a substitute or slow production. Meanwhile, areas already cleared for other agriculture could be turned to growing more balsa.

 

[elektra]

Fiberglass. Carbon fiber. Glass fiber reinforced foams. Other woods. And, if the Ecuadorian government were able to stop the illegal harvest of virgin wood, there'd be no option but to find a substitute or slow production. Meanwhile, areas already cleared for other agriculture could be turned to growing more balsa.

They already use fiberglass, and you can not make fiberglass without using fossil fuels, hence you increase the use of fossil fuels by making more fiberglass. Further, the reason balsa wood is used, is it is lighter than fiberglass so your idea that they can use more fiberglass is not practical and would result in an even less efficient wind turbine.

Carbon fiber, again carbon fiber is a product of fossil fuels, hence if you use carbon fiber you again increase the use of fossil fuels. If you researched this you would fine the carbon will come from natural gas.

Glass fiber reinforced foams, again to heavy and another product made from fossil rules.

Areas cleared for other agriculture, can not be used to grow balsa wood cause people still need to eat.

Crick, you claim education on this stuff but it is apparent you have not researched the processes used to build that which you advocate.

And even if you find a substitute for balsa wood, there is that big problem that wind turbines simply are weak sources for electricity, they are way too big, the destroy too much land, they are very expensive, and last a very short time.

 

[elektra]

Fiberglass. Carbon fiber. Glass fiber reinforced foams. Other woods. And, if the Ecuadorian government were able to stop the illegal harvest of virgin wood, there'd be no option but to find a substitute or slow production. Meanwhile, areas already cleared for other agriculture could be turned to growing more balsa.

Dimethylaniline is just one chemical used in the production of fiberglass, I hate to admit I used wikipedia for a source but some things in wikipedia are actually factual.

The Renewable Heavy Industry is literally the fossil fuel industry. People are so stupid, you hate fossil fuels let you are fooled into thinking that The Renewable Heavy Industry is some magical separate entity when it is not.

Dimethylaniline, which requires Aniline, which requires Benzene, which comes from crude oil.

Benzene is used mainly as an intermediate to make other chemicals, above all ethylbenzene (and other alkylbenzenes), cumene, cyclohexane, and nitrobenzene. In 1988 it was reported that two-thirds of all chemicals on the American Chemical Society's lists contained at least one benzene ring.[65] More than half of the entire benzene production is processed into ethylbenzene, a precursor to styrene, which is used to make polymers and plastics like polystyrene. Some 20% of the benzene production is used to manufacture cumene, which is needed to produce phenol and acetone for resins and adhesives. Cyclohexane consumes around 10% of the world's benzene production; it is primarily used in the manufacture of nylon fibers, which are processed into textiles and engineering plastics. Smaller amounts of benzene are used to make some types of rubbers, lubricants, dyes, detergents, drugs, explosives, and pesticides. In 2013, the biggest consumer country of benzene was China,

 

[elektra]

Fiberglass. Carbon fiber. Glass fiber reinforced foams. Other woods. And, if the Ecuadorian government were able to stop the illegal harvest of virgin wood, there'd be no option but to find a substitute or slow production. Meanwhile, areas already cleared for other agriculture could be turned to growing more balsa.

Acrylonitrile is produced by catalytic ammoxidation of propylene, also known as the SOHIO process. In 2002, world production capacity was estimated at 5 million tonnes per year,[5][12] rising to about 6 million tonnes by 2017.[13] Acetonitrile and hydrogen cyanide are significant byproducts that are recovered for sale.[5] In fact, the 2008–2009 acetonitrile shortage was caused by a decrease in demand for acrylonitrile.[14]

{\displaystyle {\ce {2 CH3-CH=CH2 + 2 NH3 + 3 O2 -> 2 CH2=CH-C#N + 6 H2O}}}

In the SOHIO process, propylene, ammonia, and air (oxidizer) are passed through a fluidized bed reactor containing the catalyst at 400–510 °C and 50–200 kPag. The reactants pass through the reactor only once, before being quenched in aqueous sulfuric acid. Excess propylene, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, and dinitrogen that do not dissolve are vented directly to the atmosphere, or are incinerated. The aqueous solution consists of acrylonitrile, acetonitrile, hydrocyanic acid, and ammonium sulfate (from excess ammonia). A recovery column removes bulk water, and acrylonitrile and acetonitrile are separated by distillation. Historically, one of the first successful catalysts was bismuth phosphomolybdate (Bi9PMo12O52) supported on silica as a heterogeneous catalyst.[15] Further improvements have since been made.[5]

 

[elektra]

Fiberglass. Carbon fiber. Glass fiber reinforced foams. Other woods. And, if the Ecuadorian government were able to stop the illegal harvest of virgin wood, there'd be no option but to find a substitute or slow production. Meanwhile, areas already cleared for other agriculture could be turned to growing more balsa.

Biphenyl occurs naturally in coal tar, crude oil, and natural gas and can be isolated from these sources via distillation.[5] It is produced industrially as a byproduct of the dealkylation of toluene to produce methane

 

[elektra]

Fiberglass. Carbon fiber. Glass fiber reinforced foams. Other woods. And, if the Ecuadorian government were able to stop the illegal harvest of virgin wood, there'd be no option but to find a substitute or slow production. Meanwhile, areas already cleared for other agriculture could be turned to growing more balsa.

Polyacrylonitrile (PAN), also known as polyvinyl cyanide and Creslan 61, is a synthetic, semicrystalline organic polymer resin, with the linear formula (C3H3N)n. Though it is thermoplastic, it does not melt under normal conditions. It degrades before melting. It melts above 300 °C if the heating rates are 50 degrees per minute or above.[2] Almost all PAN resins are copolymers made from mixtures of monomers with acrylonitrile as the main monomer.

Polyacrylonitrile is used as the precursor for 90% of carbon fiber production.[16] Approximately 20–25% of Boeing and Airbus wide-body airframes are carbon fibers. However, applications are limited by PAN's high price of around $15/lb

 

[Crick]

Polyacrylonitrile (PAN), also known as polyvinyl cyanide and Creslan 61, is a synthetic, semicrystalline organic polymer resin, with the linear formula (C3H3N)n. Though it is thermoplastic, it does not melt under normal conditions. It degrades before melting. It melts above 300 °C if the heating rates are 50 degrees per minute or above.[2] Almost all PAN resins are copolymers made from mixtures of monomers with acrylonitrile as the main monomer.

Polyacrylonitrile is used as the precursor for 90% of carbon fiber production.[16] Approximately 20–25% of Boeing and Airbus wide-body airframes are carbon fibers. However, applications are limited by PAN's high price of around $15/lb

So, not balsa wood, eh.

 

[elektra]

Fiberglass. Carbon fiber. Glass fiber reinforced foams. Other woods. And, if the Ecuadorian government were able to stop the illegal harvest of virgin wood, there'd be no option but to find a substitute or slow production. Meanwhile, areas already cleared for other agriculture could be turned to growing more balsa.

Propylene, also known as propene, is an unsaturated organic compound with the chemical formula {\displaystyle {\ce {CH3CH=CH2}}}

. It has one double bond, and is the second simplest member of the alkene class of hydrocarbons. It is a colorless gas with a faint petroleum-like odor.[3]

So, not balsa wood, eh.

Just showing how huge the Renewable Heavy Industry is and how renewables need all the Balsa wood, destroying ecosystems wild birds and animals rely on.

As well as showing how crick has no idea of the amount of petrol chemicals the massive renewables heavy industry is consuming to be the world's largest heavy industry

 

[Crick]

Propylene, also known as propene, is an unsaturated organic compound with the chemical formula {\displaystyle {\ce {CH3CH=CH2}}}

. It has one double bond, and is the second simplest member of the alkene class of hydrocarbons. It is a colorless gas with a faint petroleum-like odor.[3]

Just showing how huge the Renewable Heavy Industry is and how renewables need all the Balsa wood, destroying ecosystems wild birds and animals rely on.

As well as showing how crick has no idea of the amount of petrol chemicals the massive renewables heavy industry is consuming to be the world's largest heavy industry

What you've posted says absolutely ZERO about this "Renewable Heavy Industry" fantasy of which you have yet to post a SINGLE SUPPORTING LINK.

 

[elektra]

What you've posted says absolutely ZERO about this "Renewable Heavy Industry" fantasy of which you have yet to post a SINGLE SUPPORTING LINK.

Crick, all I posted was facts. The Rwneable Heavy Industry manufactures Renewables.

Crick, show us exatly where Renewables are being manufactured, every chemical, all the elements, show where they come from.

Just like crick wont link to the cost crick wont link to the Renewable Heavy industry.

 

[elektra]

What you've posted says absolutely ZERO about this "Renewable Heavy Industry" fantasy of which you have yet to post a SINGLE SUPPORTING LINK.

You know cricket, people should have the knowledge and education to comment without links, of the topics we discuss. I do, you do not.

Demanding links is how those who only have an idiology without an education attempt to dismiss facts.

 

[elektra]

What you've posted says absolutely ZERO about this "Renewable Heavy Industry" fantasy of which you have yet to post a SINGLE SUPPORTING LINK.

But, in this case I will drive the facts home, for fun.

The Rebewable Heavy Industry manufactures polysilicon at Renewable Heavy Industry chemical plants around the world. Most likely thee most dangerous toxic places in the world.

Wacker Chemical in Tennessee is just one such place, and sadly the safest of all of them.

A worker who was among five injured in an accident at Wacker’s chemical plant in Charleston, Tennessee on November 13, has since died of their injuries​

Here we see that the article confirms the danger as a real threat that is ongoing and that this Chemical plant does produce polysilicon, hence a part of the Renewable Heavy Industry

Wacker’s plant in Charleston has experienced several safety incidents before. In July 2020, four workers suffered injuries while performing maintenance tasks in a process building. In September 2017, an explosion at the polysilicon plant injured 13 people and released a cloud of low-concentrated hydrochloric acid into the atmosphere