Zone1 The Greater Sin

[Meriweather]

There is misapprehension and confusion of what was happening in regards to indulgences and printing Bibles in the fifteen hundreds. Some bishops were misusing indulgences, and others within the Church (including Martin Luther) were insisting these bishops be corrected. There were poor translations (and parts being left out) of the Bible by printers, more concerned with profit than accuracy. The Church was trying to prevent this as well.

Beginning with Judas and Peter’s denial of Jesus, we face the fact that the Church, the Body of Christ, is made up of broken people. Sin should not—and does not—prevail against it.

Judas did not deny Christ. He left him and the other Apostles. Peter did deny Christ, but he did not leave him and the others. Who had the greater sin?

When Protestants left the Church, breaking apart the Body of Christ, this, too, is the greater sin. After five hundred years--since Jesus prayed we would remain one—why can’t we fix/heal it? Where is our miracle, the one Jesus asked of us? What steps can be taken to bring this miracle about? Where is our faith such a miracle can take place?

 

[onefour1]

John 17:12
New Testament
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

The only one that was lost was Judas Iscariot. Peter's denials did not compare to Judas' betrayal.

 

[Blackrook]

Judas could have returned to Jesus and got his forgiveness. His sin was despair, he killed himself, refusing God's mercy.

 

[Cougarbear]

There is misapprehension and confusion of what was happening in regards to indulgences and printing Bibles in the fifteen hundreds. Some bishops were misusing indulgences, and others within the Church (including Martin Luther) were insisting these bishops be corrected. There were poor translations (and parts being left out) of the Bible by printers, more concerned with profit than accuracy. The Church was trying to prevent this as well.

Beginning with Judas and Peter’s denial of Jesus, we face the fact that the Church, the Body of Christ, is made up of broken people. Sin should not—and does not—prevail against it.

Judas did not deny Christ. He left him and the other Apostles. Peter did deny Christ, but he did not leave him and the others. Who had the greater sin?

When Protestants left the Church, breaking apart the Body of Christ, this, too, is the greater sin. After five hundred years--since Jesus prayed we would remain one—why can’t we fix/heal it? Where is our miracle, the one Jesus asked of us? What steps can be taken to bring this miracle about? Where is our faith such a miracle can take place?

The Church had already left Christ when Martin Luther left. Luther was just trying to find the true Church with the true Gospel. But, it was nowhere to be found as apostasy had covered the entire world. So, he did the best he could with what knowledge he had. I don't condemn him for doing this. He was seeking the truth and the Catholic Church had lost it all. Nice try at using an analogy. But, Onefour1 is right. The analogy was lost from the start.

 

[BreezeWood]

What steps can be taken to bring this miracle about?

the obvious -

rewrite the christian bible from 10000 pgs removing the forgeries and fallacies as the commandments claimed by the liar moses and hereditary idolatresses throughout the book abraham's in particular and reaffirm the liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus and the removal of any references to a religion of servitude and denial.

 

[ding]

the obvious -

rewrite the christian bible from 10000 pgs removing the forgeries and fallacies as the commandments claimed by the liar moses and hereditary idolatresses throughout the book abraham's in particular and reaffirm the liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus and the removal of any references to a religion of servitude and denial.

You can't name one single thing your religion has done.

Here's mine.

 

[sparky]

There were poor translations (and parts being left out) of the Bible by printers, more concerned with profit than accuracy.

Which started early A.D. via the council of Nicaea

~S~

 

[ding]

There is misapprehension and confusion of what was happening in regards to indulgences and printing Bibles in the fifteen hundreds. Some bishops were misusing indulgences, and others within the Church (including Martin Luther) were insisting these bishops be corrected. There were poor translations (and parts being left out) of the Bible by printers, more concerned with profit than accuracy. The Church was trying to prevent this as well.

Beginning with Judas and Peter’s denial of Jesus, we face the fact that the Church, the Body of Christ, is made up of broken people. Sin should not—and does not—prevail against it.

Judas did not deny Christ. He left him and the other Apostles. Peter did deny Christ, but he did not leave him and the others. Who had the greater sin?

When Protestants left the Church, breaking apart the Body of Christ, this, too, is the greater sin. After five hundred years--since Jesus prayed we would remain one—why can’t we fix/heal it? Where is our miracle, the one Jesus asked of us? What steps can be taken to bring this miracle about? Where is our faith such a miracle can take place?

No wine before its time!!!

I am at peace with focusing on processes and not outcomes. If it's meant to be, it will be. If it's not, then it won't. I'll keep plugging along regardless. Doing my best to do His will and not mine. Everything is through the grace of God. My faith is in God. But it does make me sad to see His church divided and so disrespectful towards each other.

 

[Meriweather]

The Church had already left Christ when Martin Luther left.

Where two are three are joined his name, Jesus is there. The Church is the people who gather in the name of Jesus. To claim Jesus left those who gathered in his name is laughable and shows great ignorance of Jesus and his teachings.

Further, to place yourself as the judge of apostasy in the Catholic Church/faith then you would have to declare Mormons were in/have been in apostasy as well.

Luther was just trying to find the true Church with the true Gospel. But, it was nowhere to be found as apostasy had covered the entire world.

You know that's is either an error on your part or a deliberate lie. Research the world history.

So, he did the best he could with what knowledge he had. I don't condemn him for doing this. He was seeking the truth and the Catholic Church had lost it all.

Martin Luther was mistaken in any number of things. I'm surprised you didn't declare him in apostasy along with everyone else.

 

[Meriweather]

Which started early A.D. via the council of Nicaea

Let's have at least one book, or even one passage, where you say this is the case.

 

[Meriweather]

No wine before its time!!!

True, but as anyone bothered to even prepare the vineyard to plant the grapes?

 

[BreezeWood]

True, but as anyone bothered to even prepare the vineyard to plant the grapes?

yes ... for centuries the true events of the 1st century.

the current and past congregations, meriweather prefer worshiping a book of forgeries, lies and fallacies as stated ...

provide the tablets claimed by moses that never existed or remove the false commandments from all three desert religions as that is the disingenuousness of this thread, false pretenses for all three desert religions.

 

[ding]

True, but as anyone bothered to even prepare the vineyard to plant the grapes?

I think so. Maybe just not in the way we think it should.

 

[ding]

yes ... for centuries the true events of the 1st century.

the current and past congregations, meriweather prefer worshiping a book of forgeries, lies and fallacies as stated ...

provide the tablets claimed by moses that never existed or remove the false commandments from all three desert religions as that is the disingenuousness of this thread, false pretenses for all three desert religions.

You might have credibility if your only argument wasn't religion bad. But then again maybe you wouldn't.

 

[Cougarbear]

Where two are three are joined his name, Jesus is there. The Church is the people who gather in the name of Jesus. To claim Jesus left those who gathered in his name is laughable and shows great ignorance of Jesus and his teachings.

Further, to place yourself as the judge of apostasy in the Catholic Church/faith then you would have to declare Mormons were in/have been in apostasy as well.

You know that's is either an error on your part or a deliberate lie. Research the world history.

Martin Luther was mistaken in any number of things. I'm surprised you didn't declare him in apostasy along with everyone else.

That’s the point. Protestants came out from the Catholic Church and therefore still in apostasy. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a restored Church, not a falling out from the Catholic Church. So, we aren’t wrong. We are a fulfillment of prophecy from Daniel and Revelations. Others as well.

The where two blah, blah, blah doesn’t constitute a church. LOL! If it did, every Christian church would be the church. And Catholics would have no particular position above all others. The claim of succession from Peter goes out the window.

 

[sparky]

Let's have at least one book, or even one passage, where you say this is the case.

Somewhere north of 75 books never made it in Meri

~S~

 

[Meriweather]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a restored Church

It is not.

 

[Meriweather]

Somewhere north of 75 books never made it in Meri

I've read the history of many of these books. There is a reason they are not included. Is there one in particular you have in mind?

 

[Cougarbear]

It is not.

Well, Joseph Smith was not a member of any other church at the time. None of the doctrines are Catholic. John the Baptist and Peter, James and John, Elohim, Jesus and the HG all came to Joseph Smith to restore direct communication between God and man through prophets, retore the correct Priesthood and all other doctrines, commandments and appendages that were missing from the world. Definitely the Restored Church of Jesus Christ in these the latter days.

 

[sparky]

Is there one in particular you have in mind?

politics ruled is my point Meri

the 'bible' was their playground toward their agenda

all of it, to this day, is the 'word of God' through their filters

~S~