Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

[Donald H]

The entire world is under the control of Satan and so naturally it is corrupt. That, of course, is a part of our Earthly lesson.

1 John 5:19
English Standard Version
19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

I see good and evil in the world.

Can you offer any proof of a god?

 

[Donald H]

It's very evident to me that the Bible(s) is accurate. Why do you doubt it?

Are your saying that the bibles are literally true.

I've at least accepted that it has allegorical messages to share!

 

[Trickster]

I see good and evil in the world.

Can you offer any proof of a god?

Oh, don't be silly now. Proof is not needed when you have faith. You just have to believe.

Don't you know?

Expecting proof from thr religious is a waste of time.

 

[Trickster]

Look at it from an individual perspective. In worship and prayer and serving God, the individual is focused on his/her relationship to God and their fellow human beings.

Having a relationship with a non-existing entity is delusional and living to serve it is even worse. The only reason the religious care to serve his fellow man is "because God said so" it is second handed snd motovated by fear. It is the neglect of your own mind.

 

[Donald H]

Oh, don't be silly now. Proof is not needed when you have faith. You just have to believe.

Don't you know?

Expectingproog from thr religious is a waste of time.

It's a good thing to ask for proof, but the value is in knowing that there will always be denial.

However, the Catholic church now accepts Darwinian evolution to be true, and they're not going back to 'creation' myths.

This leaves the true believers with the task of adjusting their faith, or be left behind within a minority of religious extremists.

Get it like this: Evolution created all today's known lifeforms, but so did the god.

You can make that work for you if you have nothing else!

 

[Trickster]

It's a good thing to ask for proof, but the value is in knowing that there will always be denial.

However, the Catholic church now accepts Darwinian evolution to be true, and they're not going back to 'creation' myths.

This leaves the true believers with the task of adjusting their faith, or be left behind within a minority of religious extremists.

Get it like this: Evolution created all today's known lifeforms, but so did the god.

You can make that work for you if you have nothing else!

I do not know what the Vatican's position on evolution is and frankly do not care either. What you are pointing out in the post above just further cements my position of religion being evasion. Even with finally having to accept the fact of evolution, they still hang on to "God" and their book, rationalizing it by calling it "myths", "metaphores" and "allegories".

The only way to "make it work" is neglecting your reason and denying reality. It is the easiest and most comfortable path, but it sets you off for a life of misery and shame.

 

[Meriweather]

Having a relationship with a non-existing entity is delusional and living to serve it is even worse. The only reason the religious care to serve his fellow man is "because God said so" it is second handed snd motovated by fear. It is the neglect of your own mind.

Or...is the greatest delusion that of denying what is true existence? The reason people of faith put God first in their lives, and serve their neighbors has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with living in joy.

 

[Meriweather]

I do not know what the Vatican's position on evolution is and frankly do not care either. What you are pointing out in the post above just further cements my position of religion being evasion. Even with finally having to accept the fact of evolution, they still hang on to "God" and their book, rationalizing it by calling it "myths", "metaphores" and "allegories".

The only way to "make it work" is neglecting your reason and denying reality. It is the easiest and most comfortable path, but it sets you off for a life of misery and shame.

The Catholic Church teaches faith based on reason and embracing the reality.

 

[Donald H]

I do not know what the Vatican's position on evolution is and frankly do not care either. What you are pointing out in the post above just further cements my position of religion being evasion. Even with finally having to accept the fact of evolution, they still hang on to "God" and their book, rationalizing it by calling it "myths", "metaphores" and "allegories".

The only way to "make it work" is neglecting your reason and denying reality. It is the easiest and most comfortable path, but it sets you off for a life of misery and shame.

Here's the Vatican's position without the weasel words. Not that the weasel words aren't fun to read!

As follows: Evolution is real and it's permissible to believe it. You only have to believe that the god also created everything too.

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But how can that be? It's that faith thingy again!

 

[Donald H]

The Catholic Church teaches faith based on reason and embracing the reality.

The reality my friend, without the varnished Catechism that says the same thing as ---

Evolution is real and it's permissible to believe it. You only have to believe that the god also created everything too.

 

[Donald H]

Here's the long version on the acceptance of evolution by the CC.

A Brief Exploration of the Catholic Position on Evolution

There is a great misperception in the culture that Catholicism is anti-science. Many college students confront this error when they encounter reductionism, rationalism, and materialism through their professors. These students do not know how to respond–and far too often–dismiss Catholicism...

catholicexchange.com

 

[Trickster]

Or...is the greatest delusion that of denying what is true existence? The reason people of faith put God first in their lives, and serve their neighbors has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with living in joy.

Yes, denying true existence, i.e reality is very much delusional. Wasn' that what I just said?

My View is that the religious can never experience true joy as (s)he has to live in constant fear of what "God" will think of them. Whenever they do something that seems to be conpassionate it is primarily to please God. Being happy in life is sinful, happiness comes when you die. It is a death cult.

The Catholic Church teaches faith based on reason and embracing the reality.

That's a conrradiction and thus even more evasion.

 

[Meriweather]

The reality my friend, without the varnished Catechism that says the same thing as ---

Evolution is real and it's permissible to believe it. You only have to believe that the god also created everything too.

In other words, God's work isn't genii-like, done in the blink of an eye. He takes His time and He has all the time there is.

 

[Trickster]

Here's the Vatican's position without the weasel words. Not that the weasel words aren't fun to read!

As follows: Evolution is real and it's permissible to believe it. You only have to believe that the god also created everything too.

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But how can that be? It's that faith thingy again!

Hahaha. That is actually hilarious.

 

[Donald H]

In other words, God's work isn't genii-like, done in the blink of an eye. He takes His time and He has all the time there is.

I've never suggested that the god's work is genii like. In fact I've never suggested that the 6 day creation couldn't be 6 thousand or even 6 million years. The reason: Day couldn't be defined with an earth that wasn't created. Simple.

But that's a deflection from the question, in all fairness.

Evolution created all earth's known living species and as well as, all extinct species. That's accepted by the CC.

Providing that the god created everything too!

The only way I can make that work is to suggest that the god forfeited 'creation' of all life on earth. He keeps all non-living things for you to cover with your faith.

Do you have a better way of making it work?

Oh, and I've read and at least tried to understand the official version as suggested by Ding.

 

[Trickster]

In other words, God's work isn't genii-like, done in the blink of an eye. He takes His time and He has all the time there is.

What is God© even good for anyways? He(?) never does anything anyways. Sure, he made a burning bush talk 6000 years ago which is pretty cool, but then what?

One would think an omnipotent and omnipresent being would at least demonstrate their existence when asked to, right? I mean if the local church's "thoughts and prayers" for their neighbor's daughter's cancer is too much of a challenge even though he(?) Himself created cancer and once cured the sick with just a touch... at least throw down a Big Mac for me or something,

PS. 6 year old Zoe with leukemia doesn't have all time there is. Are you saying God is lazy?

 

[Donald H]

What is God© even good for anyways? He(?) never does anything anyways. Sure, he made a burning bush talk 6000 years ago which is pretty cool, but then what?

One would think an omnipotent and omnipresent being would at least demonstrate their existence when asked to, right? I mean if the local chjrch's "thkughts and prayers" for their neighbor's daughter's cancer is too much of a challenge even though he(?) Himself created cancer and once cured the sick with just a touch... at least throw down a Big Mac for me or something,

PS. 6 year old Zoe with leukemia doesn't have all time there is. Are you saying God is lazy?

If the god inflicted a child with Cancer, what's the point in praying for the god to cure the person?

If he did then that would be the god admitting to still making the same mistake that led him to drown all life on earth.

 

[Trickster]

If the god inflicted a child with Cancer, what's the point in praying for the god to cure the person?

If he did then that would be the god admitting to still making the same mistake that led him to drown all life on earth.

God is sometimes just clumsy, but more often God is just a troll.

 

[Donald H]

God is sometimes just clumsy, but more often God is just a troll.

FYI, I have respect for Meriweather. She at least attempts to provide answers to the important questions. She has the background and ability to do that as well as anybody on this board. Much better actually!

And she feels a compulsion on attempting to do it.

I feel she's the equal of the official word from the Vatican on the CC's acceptance of evolution. There's nothing more the Vatican can say on the issue that she hasn't already said. Evolution has either replaced the creation myths or it hasn't?

Don't give her any excuses to run away from the responsibility she feels on upholding her religious beliefs.

 

[Meriweather]

My View is that the religious can never experience true joy as (s)he has to live in constant fear of what "God" will think of them. Whenever they do something that seems to be conpassionate it is primarily to please God. Being happy in life is sinful, happiness comes when you die. It is a death cult.

That view doesn't follow the etymology of 'fear of the Lord'. The original Hebrew is more accurately translated as awe of the Lord, or the kind of fear one has when someone doesn't want their actions to disappoint a parent, teacher, or another loved one.

What pleases Him is our well-being. Casting bread upon the waters moments (Ecclesiastes)

That's a conrradiction and thus even more evasion.

It appears you see contradiction. Perhaps we can discuss an example. Catholic education taught logic and reason based faith, so I may not be clear on what you see as contradiction.