The GOP has blown it on Health Care

[Rustic]

And in many cases there's a private sector choice for people that can pay...So it isn't forced unlike the aca.

Single payer is very inefficient and costly… Fact

Medicare and Medicaid prove you wrong.

Na, they have not paid for the cost of those yet paying for that shit is decades down the road if ever, where our grandkids and kids are going to be paying for that shit.
That's the problem with socialism/socialist entitlement programs they're always kicking the can down the road…

Your grandkids would not be paying for your single payor if we had the same legislation that Britain and Canada have.

Well they are already going to be paying for Social Security and Medicare why would any other socialist entitlement program be any different? Lol

 

[bendog]

Both Soc Sec and Medicare go back into the black once the boomers die off. The deficits caused by boomers retiring were pretty much financed until the W tax cuts.

So, the debt thing ... you're not arguing from reality. Try something else for causing structural deficits.

 

[Anathema]

Rustic, many more want single payer than don't.

Your "collective" argument is silly. Grow up.

Being the Majority doeznt make you Right any more thsn bejng the Minority makes yoj Wrong.

I have no problem with single payer..... so long as you get the Constitutional Amendment neceszary to make it legal.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rustic, many more want single payer than don't.

Your "collective" argument is silly. Grow up.

Being the Majority doeznt make you Right any more thsn bejng the Minority makes yoj Wrong.

I have no problem with single payer..... so long as you get the Constitutional Amendment neceszary to make it legal.

Don't need an amendment is the point.

 

[Anathema]

Don't need an amendment is the point.

Unless you can show me the phrase "health care" somewhere in Article I, Section 8 of the US Constjtution, you most certainly do.

 

[LaDexter]

No plan, no concept of a plan, nothing........

 

[JakeStarkey]

Don't need an amendment is the point.

Unless you can show me the phrase "health care" somewhere in Article I, Section 8 of the US Constjtution, you most certainly do.

Don't have to, because you are neither an authority nor authoritative on matters constitutional. Run along.

 

[Anathema]

Don't have to, because you are neither an authority nor authoritative on matters constitutional. Run along.

Remember, the Court is no longer split. I think Justice Gorsuch might have an interesting take on which one of us is correct.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Don't have to, because you are neither an authority nor authoritative on matters constitutional. Run along.

Remember, the Court is no longer split. I think Justice Gorsuch might have an interesting take on which one of us is correct.

He will say you are wrong.

 

[debbiedowner]

As a Conservative Jeffersonian American, I admit I am embarrassed to call myself a Republican. My Party is filled with Pussies. Absolutely filled with Pussies.

Somehow, the Democrats are running Congress...Pussy Boy Ryan is owned by Nancy Pelosi, she of the Sub-Reptilian Intellect...and it confounds me completely....there is simply no other explanation than that The Republican Caucus in Congress has more Pussies than every Whore House in New Orleans. And that's a lot.

Does anybody know why so many Republicans are such complete Pussies?

My guess is that they are thinking about nothing but their next election and the New York Media is the only thing that that can fuck that up, because of all the money they get from lobbyists, for being Pussies. And so they are scared Shit-Less of the New York Media. But, that's just a guess. They might actually be brazenly selling Heartland America down the River...for Straight Out Cash. Pure Bribery.

But that would take balls. I'll go with Scared Shit-Less Pussies. New York could Buy them, but Why pay when you can make them Shit their Pants with a single News Story.

Fuck the Pussy Republicans....which appears to be almost all Republicans.

As a Republican, I'm not scared of my enemies; but my leaders---they terrify me.

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And if nothing is passed for 2018 election's most repubs will re elect them on the promise that they will get obamacare repealed by 2020. Yep the voters on both sides fall for the same old shit every time.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The GOP is preparing plan C. They will provide, at no charge, the following to anyone seriously ill:

 

[LaDexter]

He will say you are wrong.

Considering Dianne Feinstein really loved him before voting against him, Jake may be right. Beware "conservative" judges like SOUTER and ROBERTS....

 

[Mac1958]

Holy shit.

I just heard Limbaugh say - TWICE - that only four percent of the population has pre-existing conditions.

Ask ANYONE who sells health insurance if that's the case, and they'll laugh in your face. Ask them how often they used to have applications turned down.

Of course, that's fucking madness. Fake information like that is ANOTHER reason the GOP has fucked up regarding health care, because they are convincing their voters of shit that is NOT TRUE.

Families USA found that, among adults aged 55 to 64, nearly 50 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. But even among young adults aged 18 to 24, nearly 20 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. The percentage rises to nearly 25 percent for adults aged 25-34 and to more than 30 percent for adults aged 35 to 44. By the age of 45, the percentage is closer to 40 percent.

Demographics of People with a Pre-existing Health Condition

This is fucking ridiculous.
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[Dschrute3]

Should have listened to me. Most, if not all who supported Trump have never demanded a 'Replacement' for Obamacare. They only demanded a Repeal. Once the RINO idiots starting pushing 'Replacement', it became an awful farce. Just repeal it. I'm not interested in a replacement.

 

[Anathema]

[QUOTE="JakeStarkey, post: 17167139, member: 20412"lHe will say you are wrong.[/QUOTE]

We'll just have to wait and see, won't we.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Holy shit.

I just heard Limbaugh say - TWICE - that only four percent of the population has pre-existing conditions.

Ask ANYONE who sells health insurance if that's the case, and they'll laugh in your face. Ask them how often they used to have applications turned down.

Of course, that's fucking madness. Fake information like that is ANOTHER reason the GOP has fucked up regarding health care, because they are convincing their voters of shit that is NOT TRUE.

Families USA found that, among adults aged 55 to 64, nearly 50 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. But even among young adults aged 18 to 24, nearly 20 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. The percentage rises to nearly 25 percent for adults aged 25-34 and to more than 30 percent for adults aged 35 to 44. By the age of 45, the percentage is closer to 40 percent.

Demographics of People with a Pre-existing Health Condition

This is fucking ridiculous.
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I was a health insurance underwriter as my career. My underwriting manual was geared to deny coverage to anywhere between 25% to 67% depending on age. Being pregnant was an automatic declination.

 

[debbiedowner]

Holy shit.

I just heard Limbaugh say - TWICE - that only four percent of the population has pre-existing conditions.

Ask ANYONE who sells health insurance if that's the case, and they'll laugh in your face. Ask them how often they used to have applications turned down.

Of course, that's fucking madness. Fake information like that is ANOTHER reason the GOP has fucked up regarding health care, because they are convincing their voters of shit that is NOT TRUE.

Families USA found that, among adults aged 55 to 64, nearly 50 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. But even among young adults aged 18 to 24, nearly 20 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. The percentage rises to nearly 25 percent for adults aged 25-34 and to more than 30 percent for adults aged 35 to 44. By the age of 45, the percentage is closer to 40 percent.

Demographics of People with a Pre-existing Health Condition

This is fucking ridiculous.
.
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I was a health insurance underwriter as my career. My underwriting manual was geared to deny coverage to anywhere between 25% to 67% depending on age. Being pregnant was an automatic declination.

On an average that is 46% and that is just about what it was before ACA. Then the ones with rider's excluding this or that or a rate up for taking some different meds. Also a 17 page application asking everything except the what their privates looked like. Since you'll understand this, all the bills the pubs are pushing does nothing to address the MLR that so screwed broker's. I am very much still in the business after 30 years, seen a lot of changes and at my age don't want to learn another new way of doing health insurance.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Holy shit.

I just heard Limbaugh say - TWICE - that only four percent of the population has pre-existing conditions.

Ask ANYONE who sells health insurance if that's the case, and they'll laugh in your face. Ask them how often they used to have applications turned down.

Of course, that's fucking madness. Fake information like that is ANOTHER reason the GOP has fucked up regarding health care, because they are convincing their voters of shit that is NOT TRUE.

Families USA found that, among adults aged 55 to 64, nearly 50 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. But even among young adults aged 18 to 24, nearly 20 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. The percentage rises to nearly 25 percent for adults aged 25-34 and to more than 30 percent for adults aged 35 to 44. By the age of 45, the percentage is closer to 40 percent.

Demographics of People with a Pre-existing Health Condition

This is fucking ridiculous.
.
.

I was a health insurance underwriter as my career. My underwriting manual was geared to deny coverage to anywhere between 25% to 67% depending on age. Being pregnant was an automatic declination.

On an average that is 46% and that is just about what it was before ACA. Then the ones with rider's excluding this or that or a rate up for taking some different meds. Also a 17 page application asking everything except the what their privates looked like. Since you'll understand this, all the bills the pubs are pushing does nothing to address the MLR that so screwed broker's. I am very much still in the business after 30 years, seen a lot of changes and at my age don't want to learn another new way of doing health insurance.

I worked for 12 insurance companies and HMO's in my career. All but three of them had exited the individual health insurance market by the time I retired in 2010. ACA brought individual health insurers back into the market.

 

[debbiedowner]

Holy shit.

I just heard Limbaugh say - TWICE - that only four percent of the population has pre-existing conditions.

Ask ANYONE who sells health insurance if that's the case, and they'll laugh in your face. Ask them how often they used to have applications turned down.

Of course, that's fucking madness. Fake information like that is ANOTHER reason the GOP has fucked up regarding health care, because they are convincing their voters of shit that is NOT TRUE.

Families USA found that, among adults aged 55 to 64, nearly 50 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. But even among young adults aged 18 to 24, nearly 20 percent have a diagnosed significant pre-existing condition. The percentage rises to nearly 25 percent for adults aged 25-34 and to more than 30 percent for adults aged 35 to 44. By the age of 45, the percentage is closer to 40 percent.

Demographics of People with a Pre-existing Health Condition

This is fucking ridiculous.
.
.

I was a health insurance underwriter as my career. My underwriting manual was geared to deny coverage to anywhere between 25% to 67% depending on age. Being pregnant was an automatic declination.

On an average that is 46% and that is just about what it was before ACA. Then the ones with rider's excluding this or that or a rate up for taking some different meds. Also a 17 page application asking everything except the what their privates looked like. Since you'll understand this, all the bills the pubs are pushing does nothing to address the MLR that so screwed broker's. I am very much still in the business after 30 years, seen a lot of changes and at my age don't want to learn another new way of doing health insurance.

I worked for 12 insurance companies and HMO's in my career. All but three of them had exited the individual health insurance market by the time I retired in 2010. ACA brought individual health insurers back into the market.

That's a lot of companies but I can understand. I was in the business as life and P&C back in the late 70's and got out of the business completely for a while then came back and still can sell all but have only been with one health insurer for 23 years. They let all their underwriter's go except for a couple when we actually started selling ACA plans.

 

[Mac1958]

Should have listened to me. Most, if not all who supported Trump have never demanded a 'Replacement' for Obamacare. They only demanded a Repeal. Once the RINO idiots starting pushing 'Replacement', it became an awful farce. Just repeal it. I'm not interested in a replacement.

The Republicans know they can't do that and keep their jobs.
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