The Geminga Scenario

[Stryder50]

I intend to do a revise/update on the basic concepts of this thesis/thread, but will first lead off with a recommended reading list of a handful of books that will help flesh out the basic details of this thread topic.

I'll do each book as a separate post for better reference back to.

 

[sparky]

I'll do each book as a separate post for better reference back to.

appreciable, especially in that there would be a world of detail parsed out a tad Stryder....~S~

 

[Stryder50]

This first one is not only a good general reference source on the UFO topic, but also brings the historical record of such into the timeline and context for this thread topic;

From about 25 years ago, so won't have some of the more recent sightings and episodes in it, but still the content and range/scope provides a basic reference to the "UFO" history that relates to the thread topic.

Alien Agenda: Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us​

Paperback – Illustrated, March 22 2000​

by Jim Marrs (Author)
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Author and award-winning journalist Jim Marrs investigates extraterrestrial presence among us in his fascinating new book, Alien Agenda.
Marrs uncovers compelling new evidence regarding extraterrestrials—that alien life forms have not only visited our planet in the past, but are among us right now. Drawing on numerous eyewitness accounts, highly classified CIA reports, and his own meticulous research, Marrs marshals an impressive array of facts to confirm the reality of UFOs—as well as the depth of the government campaign to keep America in the dark.
Here is information unavailable in any other single source, including:

• Intriguing insights into the 1947 Roswell crash and the U.S. military's efforts to suppress all public inquiries
• Detailed accounts of UFO landing sites in South America and of abductions in the U.S.
• Vivid descriptions of UFOs by Apollo astronauts, in their own words
• Tantalizing clues to the alien timetable for revealing their plans here
• And much more!

Amazon.ca
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This is also a useful book for anyone whom wants to get a general outline~view of the basic history of the "UFO" phenomenon.
Marrs starts out with some of the earliest civilizations and their records, then moves up to mostly the past 125-150 years worth.

 

[Stryder50]

For the "gearheads", nuts & bolts, sorts, here's the book with data, numbers, formula, and explanations as to "how 'they' do it'.
This is a definite must have if one wants a primer on the science and technologies we are witnessing.
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Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis

December 1, 1995​

by Paul R. Hill (Author)
Paul Hill was a well-respected NASA scientist when, in the early 1950s, he had a UFO sighting. Soon after, he built the first flying platform and was able to duplicate the UFO's tilt-to-control maneuvers. Official policy, however, prevented him from proclaiming his findings. "I was destined," says Hill, "to remain as unidentified as the flying objects."

For the next twenty-five years, Hill acted as an unofficial clearing house at NASA, collecting and analyzing sightings' reports for physical properties, propulsion possibilities, dynamics, etc. To refute claims that UFOs defy the laws of physics, he had to make "technological sense ... of the unconventional object."

After his retirement from NASA, Hill finally completed his remarkable analysis. In Unconventional Flying Objects, published posthumously, he presents his findings that UFOs "obey, not defy, the laws of physics." Vindicating his own sighting and thousands of others, he proves that UFO technology is not only explainable, but attainable.
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https://www.amazon.com/Unconventional-Flying-Objects-Scientific-Analysis/dp/1571740279?tag=usmb-20

 

[Stryder50]

This next one pushes us to the boundary layer, the edge of the envelope, of basic known sciences and technologies and starts to explore the next level~layer. We are looking at what has been considered frontier edges of science and technology, but might become mainstream sooner than we think.

The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity Technology​

August 12, 2003
Nick Cook, author
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This riveting work of investigative reporting and history exposes classified government projects to build gravity-defying aircraft--which have an uncanny resemblance to flying saucers.

The atomic bomb was not the only project to occupy government scientists in the 1940s. Antigravity technology, originally spearheaded by scientists in Nazi Germany, was another high priority, one that still may be in effect today. Now for the first time, a reporter with an unprecedented access to key sources in the intelligence and military communities reveals suppressed evidence that tells the story of a quest for a discovery that could prove as powerful as the A-bomb.

The Hunt for Zero Point explores the scientific speculation that a "zero point" of gravity exists in the universe and can be replicated here on Earth. The pressure to be the first nation to harness gravity is immense, as it means having the ability to build military planes of unlimited speed and range, along with the most deadly weaponry the world has ever seen. The ideal shape for a gravity-defying vehicle happens to be a perfect disk, making antigravity tests a possible explanation for the numerous UFO sightings of the past 50 years.

Chronicling the origins of antigravity research in the world's most advanced research facility, which was operated by the Third Reich during World War II, The Hunt for Zero Point traces U.S. involvement in the project, beginning with the recruitment of former Nazi scientists after the war. Drawn from interviews with those involved with the research and who visited labs in Europe and the United States, The Hunt for Zero Point journeys to the heart of the twentieth century's most puzzling unexplained phenomena.
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Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

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FWIW, Nick Cook was the Aviation Editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, back then.

 

[Leo123]

This next one pushes us to the boundary layer, the edge of the envelope, of basic known sciences and technologies and starts to explore the next level~layer. We are looking at what has been considered frontier edges of science and technology, but might become mainstream sooner than we think.

The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity Technology​

August 12, 2003
Nick Cook, author
.....
This riveting work of investigative reporting and history exposes classified government projects to build gravity-defying aircraft--which have an uncanny resemblance to flying saucers.

The atomic bomb was not the only project to occupy government scientists in the 1940s. Antigravity technology, originally spearheaded by scientists in Nazi Germany, was another high priority, one that still may be in effect today. Now for the first time, a reporter with an unprecedented access to key sources in the intelligence and military communities reveals suppressed evidence that tells the story of a quest for a discovery that could prove as powerful as the A-bomb.

The Hunt for Zero Point explores the scientific speculation that a "zero point" of gravity exists in the universe and can be replicated here on Earth. The pressure to be the first nation to harness gravity is immense, as it means having the ability to build military planes of unlimited speed and range, along with the most deadly weaponry the world has ever seen. The ideal shape for a gravity-defying vehicle happens to be a perfect disk, making antigravity tests a possible explanation for the numerous UFO sightings of the past 50 years.

Chronicling the origins of antigravity research in the world's most advanced research facility, which was operated by the Third Reich during World War II, The Hunt for Zero Point traces U.S. involvement in the project, beginning with the recruitment of former Nazi scientists after the war. Drawn from interviews with those involved with the research and who visited labs in Europe and the United States, The Hunt for Zero Point journeys to the heart of the twentieth century's most puzzling unexplained phenomena.
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Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

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FWIW, Nick Cook was the Aviation Editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, back then.

The recent 'tic-tac' video sure seems to show that gravity can be manipulated. I saw a documentary on that Nazi rocket site with that concrete ring. They were saying it was for rocket launching. I do believe we have black programs that have made some progress in this anti gravity field.

 

[Stryder50]

This next source takes us in a slightly different track, following the path of "ET" involvement in early human origins, especially of civilizations and their development and interactions. Where this research went was not the desire or intent of the author, but the data and evidence kept leading towards this direction/conclusion.

The Gods of Eden​

William Bramley​

First published January 1, 1989
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They Came To Earth Millions Of Years Ago To Spread The Poison Of Hatred,
War And Catastrophe...
They Are With Us Still...
Human history is a seemingly endless succession of bloody conflicts and devastating turmoil. Yet, inexplicably, in the light of astonishing intellectual and technological advancement, Man's progress has been halted in one crucial area; he still indulges the primitive beast within and makes war upon his neighbors.
As a result of seven years of intense research, William Bramley has uncovered the sinister thread that links humanity's darkest events -- from the wars of the ancient pharaohs to the assassination of JFK. In this remarkable, shocking and absolutely compelling work, Bramley presents disturbing evidence of an alien presence on Earth -- extraterrestrial visitors who have conspired to dominate Humankind through violence and chaos since the beginning of time...a conspiracy which continues to this very day.
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The Gods of Eden

They Came To Earth Millions Of Years Ago To Spread The …

www.goodreads.com

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While I think Bramley might be scoring about 85-90% on accuracy, there are a few points I don't agree with and would dispute.

For a start, it might have more like a million years ago, or less, for when his "Custodians/Custodials" (ET - Anunnaki) arrived in this system, and started their colonization program here. He's also a bit vague on why they had to alter hominoid evolution for their worker/slave species rather than bring more colonists from their home system/worlds. That aside, he does a fairly good job of documenting their intervention in human origins and development(evolution), as well as the evolution of human civilizations and encouraging conflicts/wars.

He's also a bit vague on where these owners/Custodians came from, and the how and why of getting here.

Those nit picks aside, he does a very excellent job on documenting ad establishing their repeated meddling and steering of human affairs, progress, and especially conflicts/wars.

Obviously there are a couple main objections from my end, such as nothing about the supernova event which may have been a major shift in their conditions and reaction agendas.
Not enough detail about their (Custodian's) origins and reasons for coming/being here.
Treating the Custodians as a monolithic political and cultural entity when it looks more like they were divided into factions themselves.

These issues and motivations aside, the data and evidence he provides on their intervention, steering, and directing of human destiny is compelling. A convincing case that they own this "Farm" and we humans are the "livestock".

 

[Leo123]

This next source takes us in a slightly different track, following the path of "ET" involvement in early human origins, especially of civilizations and their development and interactions. Where this research went was not the desire or intent of the author, but the data and evidence kept leading towards this direction/conclusion.

The Gods of Eden​

William Bramley​

First published January 1, 1989
.....
They Came To Earth Millions Of Years Ago To Spread The Poison Of Hatred,
War And Catastrophe...
They Are With Us Still...
Human history is a seemingly endless succession of bloody conflicts and devastating turmoil. Yet, inexplicably, in the light of astonishing intellectual and technological advancement, Man's progress has been halted in one crucial area; he still indulges the primitive beast within and makes war upon his neighbors.
As a result of seven years of intense research, William Bramley has uncovered the sinister thread that links humanity's darkest events -- from the wars of the ancient pharaohs to the assassination of JFK. In this remarkable, shocking and absolutely compelling work, Bramley presents disturbing evidence of an alien presence on Earth -- extraterrestrial visitors who have conspired to dominate Humankind through violence and chaos since the beginning of time...a conspiracy which continues to this very day.
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The Gods of Eden

They Came To Earth Millions Of Years Ago To Spread The …

www.goodreads.com

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While I think Bramley might be scoring about 85-90% on accuracy, there are a few points I don't agree with and would dispute.

For a start, it might have more like a million years ago, or less, for when his "Custodians/Custodials" (ET - Anunnaki) arrived in this system, and started their colonization program here. He's also a bit vague on why they had to alter hominoid evolution for their worker/slave species rather than bring more colonists from their home system/worlds. That aside, he does a fairly good job of documenting their intervention in human origins and development(evolution), as well as the evolution of human civilizations and encouraging conflicts/wars.

He's also a bit vague on where these owners/Custodians came from, and the how and why of getting here.

Those nit picks aside, he does a very excellent job on documenting ad establishing their repeated meddling and steering of human affairs, progress, and especially conflicts/wars.

Obviously there are a couple main objections from my end, such as nothing about the supernova event which may have been a major shift in their conditions and reaction agendas.
Not enough detail about their (Custodian's) origins and reasons for coming/being here.
Treating the Custodians as a monolithic political and cultural entity when it looks more like they were divided into factions themselves.

These issues and motivations aside, the data and evidence he provides on their intervention, steering, and directing of human destiny is compelling. A convincing case that they own this "Farm" and we humans are the "livestock".

It could be that humans are purposely created to have the capacity for great good and great evil. This would make it reasonable for some other superior beings to bring out one side or the other. I also think it is entirely possible that great unknown civilizations have come and gone eons before us.

 

[Stryder50]

It could be that humans are purposely created to have the capacity for great good and great evil. This would make it reasonable for some other superior beings to bring out one side or the other. I also think it is entirely possible that great unknown civilizations have come and gone eons before us.

OKay, you have me jumping ahead and breaking pace, but a few quick/brief replies here.

1) If you go through this thread from start to present you'll discover that one of the main premises/thesis is that the the Anunnaki/Gemingians had, as one main reason, the acceleration of humanoid evolution the need to establish advanced enough bodies to host the souls of those who perished in that SuperNova event. The destruction of those Home Worlds interrupted the reincarnation/karma cycles and those 'displaced' souls were in need of compatible bodies to continue their karma-recycle in. Hence the need for the human evolution acceleration and such needing to include some infusion of Anunnaki DNA.

2) Yes, quite possibly "great unknown civilizations have come and gone eons before us", of a sort. A few seldom discussed factors suggest such;

A) With human mitochondrial DNA research suggesting our version is about 200,000+ to 300,000 years old, it is highly possible that we may have started civilization tracks sooner than about 13-15,000 years ago with the end of the most recent Ice Age.

B) Earliest writings/records of the Sumerians (from about 6,000 years ago) state that the cities "they" had the Sumerians built in Mesopotamia (Iraq) were built over the ruined sites of earlier cities, whose names were applied to the new ones. Far as I know, no one has done ground penetration sensors of the current cities to see if there are ruins deeper down, so this remains a "maybe ?".

C) Some of those earliest "unknown civilizations" would have likely been the first of the Anunnaki settlements on this world, built while humans were still running about in animal skins and feasting off mastodons.

Mammoth Meat Powered Ice Age Humans, Study Finds​

Scientists have determined that the diet of a Clovis woman who lived in North America 13,000 years ago included a substantial portion of mammoth and other large game.

Mammoth Meat Powered Ice Age Humans, Study Finds

Scientists have determined that the diet of a Clovis woman who lived in North America 13,000 years ago included a substantial portion of mammoth and other large game.

gizmodo.com

 

[Stryder50]

Next book on our list;

Modern Technology . . . or Knowledge of the Ancients? Space travel . . . Genetic engineering . . . Computer science . . . Astounding achievements as new as tomorrow. But stunning recent evidence proves that as these ultramodern advances were known to our forfathers millions of yrsterdays ago . . . as early as 3,000 years before the birth of Christ!

In this remarkable companion volume to his landmark EARTH CHRONICLES series, author Zecharia Sitchin reexamines the teachings of the ancients in the light of mankind's latest scientific discoveries -- and uncovers breathtaking, never-before-revealed facts that challenge long-held, conventional beliefs about our planet and our species.
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Genesis Revisited | Zecharia Sitchin [Sitchin, Zecharia] | download on Z-Library

Read online or download for free from Z-Library the Book: Genesis Revisited, Author: Zecharia Sitchin [Sitchin, Zecharia], Publisher: Avon, Year: 1990, Language: English, Format: EPUB, Filesize: 473 KB

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Summary​

• Was Adam the first test-tube baby?​

• Did nuclear fission destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?​

• How were the ancients able to accurately describe details about our solar system that are only now being revealed by deep space probes?​

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The awesome answers are all here, in this important companion volume to The Earth Chronicles series. Having presented evidence of an additional planet as well as voluminous information about the other planets in our solar system, Zecharia Sitchin now shows how the discoveries of modern astrophysics, astronomy, and genetics exactly parallel what has already been revealed in ancient texts regarding the "mysteries" of alchemy and the creation of life. Genesis Revisited is a mind-boggling revelation sure to overturn current theories about the origins of humankind and the solar system....​

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Download Genesis Revisited: Is Modern Science Catching Up With Ancient Knowledge? by Zecharia Sitchin

• Was Adam the first test-tube baby? • Did nuclear fission destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? • How were the ancients able to accurately describe details about our solar system that are only now being revealed by deep space probes? The awesome answers are all here, in this important...

zoboko.com

Note, this a pdf of the book.​

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While Erich von Däniken,​

Erich von Däniken - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is often the first name that comes ready to mind when the subject of "Ancient Aliens" ("Chariots of the Gods") is brought up, he wasn't the first. There were many other writers, mostly Europeans, looking into this phenomenon years earlier. Also, EvD may have made a case for "ET here in the past", but he did little to clarify the "Who", "from Where" and "Why".

Zecharia Sitchin did give some idea and perspective to those questions, even if he might have been off on some of the details. Never the less, his books began to form a sort of structure and rough outline to the essential enigmas of the topic, hence he growing following.

While he made a good case for a large and massive body causing havoc in the Solar System, in form of rotational/axial tilts and orbital inclinations, etc.; the way distant orbital path wasn't one that could support origins and sustain of biological life such as the Anunnaki. It began to look like this tale of the Nibiru as Anunnaki "HomeWorld" might be distortions or disinformation. Basically, that distant of an orbit most of it's time wouldn't allow for stable carbon based life. So was there another answer ????

See next post in reply to this one;

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[Stryder50]

So continuing #230 above, the answer to the enigma came to me when I saw this on the newstands;

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The Strange Halo of a Nearby Pulsar Could Explain The Puzzling Antimatter Near Earth​

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Astronomers have been watching a nearby pulsar with a strange halo around it. That pulsar might answer a question that's puzzled astronomers for some time.

The pulsar is named Geminga, and it's one of the nearest pulsars to Earth, about 800 light-years away in the constellation Gemini. Not only is it close to Earth, but Geminga is also very bright in gamma rays.

The halo itself is invisible to our eyes, obviously, since it's in the gamma wavelengths. (NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope discovered it.) But it's large, covering as much of the sky as 40 full Moons.
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"These are positrons, the antimatter version of electrons, coming from somewhere beyond the Solar System."

A pulsar is the remnant of a massive star that's gone supernova. Geminga is the result of a supernova explosion about 300,000 years ago in the constellation Gemini.

It's a rotating neutron star that is oriented in a certain way towards Earth, so that its energy is directed toward us like a sweeping lighthouse.

A pulsar is naturally surrounded by a cloud of both electrons and positrons. That's because a neutron star has an intense electromagnetic field, the strongest of any known object.

The super-strong field pulls the particles from the pulsar's surface, and accelerates them to near light-speed.
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The Strange Halo of a Nearby Pulsar Could Explain The Puzzling Antimatter Near Earth

Astronomers have been watching a nearby pulsar with a strange halo around it.

www.sciencealert.com

 

[Stryder50]

Next on our list is an obscure title most have never heard of. Yet it also is a key piece/clue to the puzzle.

Everything You Know Is Wrong, Book One: Human Origins​

By the late LLoyd Pye
January 1, 2000
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From the rear cover of this 322-page book: "The origin of life, particularly human life, is one of today's most intensely debated subjects. Ironically, that debate has only two socially acceptable sides: Darwinism and Creationism. Darwinists support the detailed observations and speculations of a brilliant naturalist, while Creationists support the various interpreters of the Bible's scriptural teachings.

Despite the passion and intellect exhibited by both sides as they defend their positions, millions of people remain unconvinced by the arguments of either. For those individuals, it is time to present a viable, comprehensive, third option, Rationalism*, which is the formation of ideas and opinions based on evidence and reasoning rather than on secular authority or divine revelation.

[This book] stakes out a solid, defendable, entirely new position in the debate about life origins and human origins. That position is bolstered by an astonishing array of scientific facts either unmentioned or conspicuously ignored by the two currently entrenched camps. By utilizing such a fact-based format, this book's presentation of Rationalism offers a far more convincing explanation for the origins of life, and particularly human life, than Darwinism or Creationism ever have or ever will."

* Also known as Intervention Theory.
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Amazon.com

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Will Pye started out looking into the BigFoot/Sasquatch/Yeti phenomenon, encounter with a friend of his turned him on to the Sitchin's work and hypothesis' which led to a realization that the BigFoot issue is signs of a transitional evolutionary stage towards current humans. That friend, now one of mine, exposed Pye to Sitchin's work and this book is a fusion of the two conceptions.

Lloyd Pye – The Official Website of Lloyd Pye

www.lloydpye.com

lloyd pye everything you know is wrong pdf at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

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[Stryder50]

Finally (for now) this controversial volume.

The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever (5th Edition)​

Paperback – September 9, 2001​

by Richard C. Hoagland (Author)
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For many years Richard Hoagland alone hypothesized that sentient beings spent time on Mars millions of years ago assembling behemoth structures whose ruins are still seen today. Here Hoagland redefines the solar system as a different place than NASA has presented. The book includes a new preface covering the Mars Global Surveyor photos and NASA's reactions.
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Amazon.com

 

[Leo123]

 

[Mushroom]

Sorry 'Charlie', you're not the first one I've encountered who finds this topic disturbing or conflicting with their bias and/or belief systems.
Since this may not comply with your personal bias and/or religious beliefs, you might and to consider just avoid this thread.
There's enough variety on this board for you to find something that's doesn't question and disturb your bias.

OK, then what exactly are my religious and personal beliefs?

One can not simply throw out a blanket statement like that and have it taken seriously, unless there is some kind of reasoning behind it. Otherwise, you might as well blame it on the color of hats I wear (if I even wear hats or not), or what my favorite breakfast is.

So what exactly is my "bias" that matters in this instance?

 

[sparky]

So what exactly is my "bias" that matters in this instance?

Imagine, if you will, alien beings landing at the Vatican, and explaining the origins of the universe to the pope Mushroom

~S~

 

[Stryder50]

OK, then what exactly are my religious and personal beliefs?

One can not simply throw out a blanket statement like that and have it taken seriously, unless there is some kind of reasoning behind it. Otherwise, you might as well blame it on the color of hats I wear (if I even wear hats or not), or what my favorite breakfast is.

So what exactly is my "bias" that matters in this instance?

As I said, your snarks are not new to me. I've been investigating in this direction for nearly 50 years and that 1993 issue of Astronomy helped resolve some issues/questions that developed into the the main theme here. During the past 30+ years I've made presentations to groups regarding the subject/theme of this thread as well as posted much similar material on other message boards.

Point is I've encountered the objections and snarky comments like yours often and they usually come from a basis of this subject clashing with someone's biases based on religion of theology and/or religion of science. Sometimes also a denial that earliest writings and records could be as truthful and accurate as they present.

But if you want to get your knickers in knot over "simply throw out a blanket statement like that and have it taken seriously" than backup through some recent posts here where you 'throw out'; "pseudoscience", 'this thread belongs in religion not history', and the "moonbeams and unicorn farts" and expect me to take you seriously.

It's clear and obvious you haven't read through the whole of this thread and the links provided, you are just knee jerk jackassing around and trolling.

 

[Mushroom]

As I said, your snarks are not new to me.

What "snark"? I was actually being completely serious there. The very fact that you completely ignored it and are basically attacking me yet again pretty much tells me all I need to know.

Here, and for the last time this is a completely serious question.

OK, then what exactly are my religious and personal beliefs? So what exactly is my "bias" that matters in this instance?

You are the one that made the claim that I have personal and religious beliefs that cause me to question this, as well as a personal bias. You are the one that made those claims, not me. I am simply telling you to "put your money where your mouth is", and actually say what those personal and religious beliefs and bias are.

You see, this is one thing I tend to see in common among all kinds around here. They make bold personal attacks and blanket statements like that, but for some damned reason can never exactly explain what is is they actually mean. And it's not unusual, in the same way I see people scream I am a "Far-Left Socialist", and a "Far-Right Fascist". You are essentially doing the same thing, you make a claim you can not actually back up with anything, so when challenged you simply repeat yourself.

Well, you should know by now I do not play that game. You made the charge against me, so now it's time to back up those statements with actual substance.

But I will be 100% honest here, I honestly expect absolutely nothing. Because that is pretty much anybody that resorts to such attacks responds with. More attacks, absolutely no discussion of actual substance.

 

[Mushroom]

Imagine, if you will, alien beings landing at the Vatican, and explaining the origins of the universe to the pope Mushroom

And why in the frack would they do that?

Sorry, I believe that about as much as aliens kidnapping random rednecks and anal probing them.

 

[MisterBeale]

This looks like a very interesting thread, I will have to come back to it when I have more time.

The best movie adaptation of the story of Enki and Enlil I think I have seen was this;





Which makes me wonder, with such a good story, why hasn't any major studio undertaken such a project to tell this story?

Seems sus IMO