The friends of Jordan Peterson

[Toddsterpatriot]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason .

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

Link?

 

[Tehon]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason .

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

To put it in proper context, he doesn't believe they are oppressed by man made social structures.

I don't agree with him either.

 

[Tehon]

Cathy Newman says her 14-year-old daughter received vitriolic online abuse after Jordan Peterson gender pay gap interview

They seem like a pretty sick crew of incels. Is this guy a total twat ? He did a panel show over here in 2018 and came across as sort of normal but with nothing much to say.

Channel 4 presenter Cathy Newman has said her 14-year-old daughter witnessed a torrent of vitriolic online abuse directed at the veteran journalist.

The news presenter recounted the harassment she was subjected to after interviewing controversial Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson – revealing her child even saw a fake pornographic image of her.

Channel 4 was forced to call in security specialists to analyse threats targeted at Ms Newman after her interview about the gender pay gap with Prof Peterson – a controversial figure who has attracted a far-right following.


The 44-year-old, who has worked for Channel 4 for over a decade, has looked back at the vile online abuse and harassment she experienced in a piece for The Pool.

She wrote: “One of the 200 or so on-screen interviews I did this year [2018] was with the controversial Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson. I challenged him about the gender pay gap, which he believes is a fiction, and what he calls the ‘murderous equity doctrine’ embraced by many modern women.

Peterson is a twat, but not in totality.

He certainly can't be held responsible for the way in which people act out on the internet.

A "twat" Why do you say that? Because he is so clearly able to demolish the progressives arguments, succinctly, and with polite, reasoned thinking?

He has an informed opinion, I will give him that. He has obviously given thought to his beliefs. Doesn't make him right.

I find him a bit obnoxious at times.

 

[Tehon]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason .

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

Link?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason .

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

To put it in proper context, he doesn't believe they are oppressed by man made social structures.

I don't agree with him either.

He isnt really on my radar but he came to note a few weeks ago when one of our Universities withdrew a job offer. As I say he seems relatively harmless but the "cultural marxism" thing raises eyebrows.

 

[Tehon]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason .

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

To put it in proper context, he doesn't believe they are oppressed by man made social structures.

I don't agree with him either.

He isnt really on my radar but he came to note a few weeks ago when one of our Universities withdrew a job offer. As I say he seems relatively harmless but the "cultural marxism" thing raises eyebrows.

It was the cultural marxism thing that got my attention as well. So I made a sincere effort to hear him out. He has yet to convince me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason .

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

Link?

Thanks for the video.
At what point in that did he say women haven't ever been oppressed?

 

[Tehon]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason .

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

Link?

Thanks for the video.
At what point in that did he say women haven't ever been oppressed?

At the 2:30 mark he states that it is moronic to think that woman are oppressed by unjust social structures.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

Link?

Thanks for the video.
At what point in that did he say women haven't ever been oppressed?

At the 2:30 mark he states that it is moronic to think that woman are oppressed by unjust social structures.

I heard that, thanks.
So we agree, he never said women haven't ever been oppressed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In what way?

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

Link?

Thanks for the video.
At what point in that did he say women haven't ever been oppressed?

At the 2:30 mark he states that it is moronic to think that woman are oppressed by unjust social structures.

Doesn't look like he denies women have ever been oppressed...….

 

[Tehon]

He doesnt think women have ever been oppressed. Thats bonkers.

Link?

Thanks for the video.
At what point in that did he say women haven't ever been oppressed?

At the 2:30 mark he states that it is moronic to think that woman are oppressed by unjust social structures.

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Doesn't look like he denies women have ever been oppressed...….

Yes, I already put his beliefs into context in post #22.

 

[Olde Europe]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason . He was a guest on Question Time last year and didnt have much to say. Maybe he felt a bit out of his comfort zone.

No, he doesn't necessarily have a problem with women, personally. But, being the obnoxious nutcase he is, he panders to the frustrations and resentments of men who manifestly do have a problem with women, mostly with not getting any, and he then throws in a dollop of Islamophobia in his quest for fame and fortune. It's easy enough to understand: Since he is bent on collecting followers who feel they are the victims of women, and the "PC mob" that insists even women be treated with respect, he needs to quash the competing female victim narrative, and deny its historical accuracy. Of course, a person who calls him on his nonsense - and a woman, to boot - quite predictably stirs up the rage of "The friends of Jordan Peterson". In other words, he's a pied piper, and "harmless" is the very last term I would use to describe him.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

He seems to have problems with women for some reason . He was a guest on Question Time last year and didnt have much to say. Maybe he felt a bit out of his comfort zone.

No, he doesn't necessarily have a problem with women, personally. But, being the obnoxious nutcase he is, he panders to the frustrations and resentments of men who manifestly do have a problem with women, mostly with not getting any, and he then throws in a dollop of Islamophobia in his quest for fame and fortune. It's easy enough to understand: Since he is bent on collecting followers who feel they are the victims of women, and the "PC mob" that insists even women be treated with respect, he needs to quash the competing female victim narrative, and deny its historical accuracy. Of course, a person who calls him on his nonsense - and a woman, to boot - quite predictably stirs up the rage of "The friends of Jordan Peterson". In other words, he's a pied piper, and "harmless" is the very last term I would use to describe him.

You know more about him than me.The one time I saw him he was quite subdued and didnt have much to say.But "cultural marxism" doesnt mark him out as a great thinker.

 

[there4eyeM]

Dr. Peterson personifies a dignified, erudite position other than "right" and "left". For this he is to be respected and his arguments taken to heart. His refutations of the dominant divisive forms of rhetoric are extremely helpful to those of us who have long sought to find a similar ground.

 

[Papageorgio]

The hysteria about Dr. Jordan Peterson is entirely incomprehensible. The man is a reasoned thinker who brings nothing but intelligent observation to the table. That he is vilified is testimony to the inability to listen and hear, see and understand.

He isnt being vilified..Its his supporters who are the agressors.

Are you sure?

 

[Tehon]

Dr. Peterson personifies a dignified, erudite position other than "right" and "left". For this he is to be respected and his arguments taken to heart. His refutations of the dominant divisive forms of rhetoric are extremely helpful to those of us who have long sought to find a similar ground.

Do you hold the same position as Peterson in terms of women? That they have been oppressed by nature and not by men to any great extent?

 

[Olde Europe]

You know more about him than me.The one time I saw him he was quite subdued and didnt have much to say.But "cultural marxism" doesnt mark him out as a great thinker.

Yep, but with cultural Marxism you've already identified one of the main memes: "Cultural Marxism" is dead set to destroy academia, and Western societies, from within, and it's everywhere. He peddles that pap to his already frustrated and perennially frightened followers, and what do you expect they do? Of course, a certain portion of these goofs think they are called upon to defend academia and Western society itself. Let's just hope that none of them picks up a gun to do it.

Here's what I found to be a fairly reasonable summary of what Peterson really is, and why it's so troubling.

With an eye towards the perception by the Friends of Peterson, here's why it's so hard to argue with him: He already adopts a posturing of being a victim of the PC mob; any opponent can then let Peterson reaffirm that victim status unencumbered, without challenge; or take him and his BS apart, in which case the victim status is being confirmed, with the very predictable rage of his followers ensuing. That is to say, the onslaught against Cathy Newman was not an accident. It's exactly what you would expect, given Peterson's anti-PC, Great Marxist Scare tactics.

 

[there4eyeM]

The man charts his own course, kowtowing to no one and nothing. He seeks rational thought and action based on science and facts melded with sensitivity. Those who find fault with him will have a difficult time naming another person better for the moment in history.

 

[Tehon]

You know more about him than me.The one time I saw him he was quite subdued and didnt have much to say.But "cultural marxism" doesnt mark him out as a great thinker.

Yep, but with cultural Marxism you've already identified one of the main memes: "Cultural Marxism" is dead set to destroy academia, and Western societies, from within, and it's everywhere. He peddles that pap to his already frustrated and perennially frightened followers, and what do you expect they do? Of course, a certain portion of these goofs think they are called upon to defend academia and Western society itself. Let's just hope that none of them picks up a gun to do it.

Here's what I found to be a fairly reasonable summary of what Peterson really is, and why it's so troubling.

With an eye towards the perception by the Friends of Peterson, here's why it's so hard to argue with him: He already adopts a posturing of being a victim of the PC mob; any opponent can then let Peterson reaffirm that victim status unencumbered, without challenge; or take him and his BS apart, in which case the victim status is being confirmed, with the very predictable rage of his followers ensuing. That is to say, the onslaught against Cathy Newman was not an accident. It's exactly what you would expect, given Peterson's anti-PC, Great Marxist Scare tactics.

Cathy Newman mischaracterized Peterson's position at every turn. She was woefully ill prepared for that interview.

There is an argument to be made against his beliefs, but there is no way he is going to allow you to build it out of straw men. No one would.

 

[there4eyeM]

"Mischaracterization" is probably to most common occurrence in interviews with and reports about Dr. Peterson.