The Free World needs a new leader

[martybegan]

Here it is simply...

Ukraine doesn't really suffer from lack of troops, it is a lack of equipment and Air supremacy...

Give Ukraine a Mercenary Airforce, take out all the Air defences inside Russia-controlled Ukraine...
Then provide Ukraine with

• Tanks (which they can drive)
• Drones (which we know they can drive)
  • Set up Drone producing factories in the west... Hey use it as a big R & D sandbox.. e.g.
    • Fix wing drones carrying smaller multi props which they drop on the target and fly in closer..
    • Larger GPS guided Drones with multiple decoys
    • Decoys, endless amount of fixed wing decoys
    • Stealth drone
    • Drivable drones over terrain with firebombs for clearing trenches
• More Vehicles
• HIMARS
• Artillery
• Fucks load more Ammo..

'They suffer from a massive population imbalance and just giving them western equipment without western training is a total waste of resources.

All your proposal does is extend the stalemate, and right now it's a stalemate the Russians are winning.

 

[CowboyTed]

Hmmm, Europe takes a more active role in defending their own territory instead of insisting Uncle Sam bleed and die. You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

Be careful for what you wish for...

You are basically saying that US and EU are not the world leading alliance...

US was the only country that ever used Article 5 of NATO... Think about that...

IF NATO is broken up, China is going to test Taiwan. US will be show up or surrender.

 

[martybegan]

Easier option, NATO engages Putin......

That's the only thing that would work.

And at that point we would probably find out why Russia is going so slow in Ukraine as the divisions they have on the Polish and Baltic borders would probably be sent into NATO territory than to re-enforce the troops in Ukraine.

 

[martybegan]

Be careful for what you wish for...

You are basically saying that US and EU are not the world leading alliance...

US was the only country that ever used Article 5 of NATO... Think about that...

IF NATO is broken up, China is going to test Taiwan. US will be show up or surrender.

NATO has nothing to do with anything outside Europe.

Article 5 wouldn't be triggered if China invaded Taiwan.

 

[CowboyTed]

I love the way that you forever war ghouls refuse to acknowledge that there was a peace deal on the table, that your team's forever war bitches told Tenpercentskyy to reject.

A surrender deal was on the table with no assurances that Putin would not attack again...

No thanks..

 

[Delldude]

That's the only thing that would work.

And at that point we would probably find out why Russia is going so slow in Ukraine as the divisions they have on the Polish and Baltic borders would probably be sent into NATO territory than to re-enforce the troops in Ukraine.

Cut out the middle man.

 

[CowboyTed]

They have no fucking idea on how to perform modern combined arms warfare, General Zod.

Oh please explain to us what is wrong with what I said?

 

[Oddball]

A surrender deal was on the table with no assurances that Putin would not attack again...

No thanks..

That's your spin, schmendrick.

You forever war scum are no better than the neocon Bushbots.

 

[CowboyTed]

Easier option, NATO engages Putin......

No, thank you...

Russia is fighting Ukraine.. Let's keep it that way, no reason to having a front all over Eastern and northern Europe...
Only way to defend that is to take St.Petersburg and Moscow... Screw that..

 

[martybegan]

No, thank you...

Russia is fighting Ukraine.. Let's keep it that way, no reason to having a front all over Eastern and northern Europe...
Only way to defend that is to take St.Petersburg and Moscow... Screw that..

It's the only way Ukraine wins, if winning to them is getting their 2014 borders back.

 

[Delldude]

You are basically saying that US and EU are not the world leading alliance...

You overlook the part that the EU is attempting to undo that?

 

[Oddball]

Oh please explain to us what is wrong with what I said?

I told you...You're just too much of a fucking dullard to understand what combined arms warfare is, and how long it takes to train all the pieces of it to work in concert.

 

[Delldude]

No, thank you...

Russia is fighting Ukraine.. Let's keep it that way, no reason to having a front all over Eastern and northern Europe...
Only way to defend that is to take St.Petersburg and Moscow... Screw that..

No, NATO is fighting Russia, wake up.

 

[CowboyTed]

NATO has nothing to do with anything outside Europe.

Only time Article 5 was ever triggered was to invade Afghanistan.

Article 5 wouldn't be triggered if China invaded Taiwan.

https://www.ndc.nato.int/news/news.php?icode=1921

NATO could be drawn into Taiwan conflict, affiliated report finds

Chinese attack on Hawaii might trigger collective defense, researcher argues

asia.nikkei.com

Now saying that if Trump threw Taiwan under the bus which he could very easily do... Trump is the most pro China President in US history... If they invaded, I could see Trump just surrendering that too..

At the moment China goes in , US goes in and NATO will be dragged in too..

 

[CowboyTed]

No, NATO is fighting Russia, wake up.

How many troops have they lost?

How much ground has NATO taken?

 

[CowboyTed]

I told you...You're just too much of a fucking dullard to understand what combined arms warfare is, and how long it takes to train all the pieces of it to work in concert.

That why using Mercenaries in a lot of cases... Mercenary Airforce...

Drones are easy to fly... especially the ones we are talking about...

Biggest thing is Ammo, Artillery shells, bullets, missiles...

 

[martybegan]

Only time Article 5 was ever triggered was to invade Afghanistan.

https://www.ndc.nato.int/news/news.php?icode=1921

NATO could be drawn into Taiwan conflict, affiliated report finds

Chinese attack on Hawaii might trigger collective defense, researcher argues

asia.nikkei.com

Now saying that if Trump threw Taiwan under the bus which he could very easily do... Trump is the most pro China President in US history... If they invaded, I could see Trump just surrendering that too..

At the moment China goes in , US goes in and NATO will be dragged in too..

The US has never backed down on its commitment to Taiwan, again with the addled construct of Trump you morons created in your heads.

And yet you idiots bitch about Trump wanting to impose more tariffs on China.

 

[Delldude]

How many troops have they lost?

How much ground has NATO taken?

How many troops have they lost?

How much ground has NATO taken?

Who supplies all the arms?

 

[Oddball]

That why using Mercenaries in a lot of cases... Mercenary Airforce...

Drones are easy to fly... especially the ones we are talking about...

Biggest thing is Ammo, Artillery shells, bullets, missiles...

You just ignored what I said about combined arms doctrine.

You don't know what you don't know....STFU.

 

[CowboyTed]

Hmmm, Europe takes a more active role in defending their own territory instead of insisting Uncle Sam bleed and die. You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

Be careful for what you wish for...

You are basically saying that US and EU are not the world leading alliance...

US was the only country that ever used Article 5 of NATO... Think about that...

IF NATO is broken up, China is going to test Taiwan. US will be show up or surrender.