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Of course I doYea, yea
Except that's not the Confederate flag.
Pssst.... STILL WAITING for you to address Rick Wilson's cooler.
Confederate Battle Flag
It is now the symbol of the confederacy and a symbol of racism
You don't get to decide that. I consider it a symbol of harmless regional pride and you to be a race baiting asshole.
Your flag is a symbol of hatred of the United States or a symbol of hatred of blacks
Nope. It's a harmless symbol of regional pride and you are a faggot.
OK Regional pride in what?
That they hated the US so much that they fought against us
That they used to own slaves?
The culture. THe history. The brave fight against great odds. Ect.
What part of this is confusing to you?
THat is a rhetorical question. I know you are just a race baiting troll asshole who is just here to be an asshole and troll.
It's not confusing in any way. In fact, it couldn't be more clear.The culture. THe history. The brave fight against great odds. Ect.
What part of this is confusing to you?
They didn't start the war, but they gave Lincoln the excuse he was looking for.But it was not very smartThey fired an trespassers who refused to leave. Lincoln also sent a resupply ship that passed through SC waters. Both are acts of war.
the south carolina hotheads started a war that they eventually lost
I dont think lincoln wanted a warThey didn't start the war, but they gave Lincoln the excuse he was looking for.
WTF are you talking about? Don't you people ever read before posting?Wow, you really DO have a problem understanding that past and present are not the same. Why do you assume that people who have been dead for many decades have-or had-any particular ideology? Far as I know dead people having any ideology is kinda unlikely.Have you failed to notice that the ideology of those (as well as others) States has well as the people who live there has changed very considerably in the last 150 years or so?Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?Because Democrats of slavery and the kkk have switched parties with the Republicans is more likely.... y'all try to blame the Dems of today for past sins, but it's really the ancestors of today's Republicans in the South's past sins... is what seems obvious, to me....Because Republicans aren’t fascist scum like you Dimwingers.I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?
That would be YOUR racist party.Derp...Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?
That would be YOUR racist party.
The former confederate states are all conservative red states, dope.
Did the ideology of the populations of those states change or just their party affiliation?
WTH is "Derp..." supposed to mean?Always been conservative. If not, then how can that flag represent the pride and heritage that modern conservatives say it does?Have you failed to notice that the ideology of those (as well as others) States has well as the people who live there has changed very considerably in the last 150 years or so?
WTH is "Derp..." supposed to mean?
Current living people (not necessarily conservative, white, or from any particular place) say that because it happens to be true. Who are you to say their motives aren't what they say they are. To me Confederate flags honor family members who died honorably fighting bravely for a good cause. The same is true of the US flag for the same reasons. I don't know or care what my ancestors thought about slavery and I had some that fought on each side. It's just not at all important to me and it is wrong of you to claim otherwise.
It's obvious that Lincoln wanted a war. He made it quite plain that he wasn't going to allow the Confederate states to secede peacefully.I dont think lincoln wanted a warThey didn't start the war, but they gave Lincoln the excuse he was looking for.
but without secession the North would have had a difficult time freeing the slaves
Your definition is "conservative" is utterly meaningless.WTF are you talking about? Don't you people ever read before posting?Wow, you really DO have a problem understanding that past and present are not the same. Why do you assume that people who have been dead for many decades have-or had-any particular ideology? Far as I know dead people having any ideology is kinda unlikely.Have you failed to notice that the ideology of those (as well as others) States has well as the people who live there has changed very considerably in the last 150 years or so?Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?Because Democrats of slavery and the kkk have switched parties with the Republicans is more likely.... y'all try to blame the Dems of today for past sins, but it's really the ancestors of today's Republicans in the South's past sins... is what seems obvious, to me....Because Republicans aren’t fascist scum like you Dimwingers.I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?
That would be YOUR racist party.Derp...Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?
That would be YOUR racist party.
The former confederate states are all conservative red states, dope.
Did the ideology of the populations of those states change or just their party affiliation?
WTH is "Derp..." supposed to mean?Always been conservative. If not, then how can that flag represent the pride and heritage that modern conservatives say it does?Have you failed to notice that the ideology of those (as well as others) States has well as the people who live there has changed very considerably in the last 150 years or so?
WTH is "Derp..." supposed to mean?
Current living people (not necessarily conservative, white, or from any particular place) say that because it happens to be true. Who are you to say their motives aren't what they say they are. To me Confederate flags honor family members who died honorably fighting bravely for a good cause. The same is true of the US flag for the same reasons. I don't know or care what my ancestors thought about slavery and I had some that fought on each side. It's just not at all important to me and it is wrong of you to claim otherwise.
I was pointing out that the people of the south have always been conservative regardless of their political party affiliation.
You don't agree?
The culture and heritage is different today?
Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?
Yes, but who says he wanted the South to secede?He made it quite plain that he wasn't going to allow the Confederate states to secede peacefully.
Wow, you really DO have a problem understanding that past and present are not the same. Why do you assume that people who have been dead for many decades have-or had-any particular ideology? Far as I know dead people having any ideology is kinda unlikely.Have you failed to notice that the ideology of those (as well as others) States has well as the people who live there has changed very considerably in the last 150 years or so?Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?Because Democrats of slavery and the kkk have switched parties with the Republicans is more likely.... y'all try to blame the Dems of today for past sins, but it's really the ancestors of today's Republicans in the South's past sins... is what seems obvious, to me....Because Republicans aren’t fascist scum like you Dimwingers.I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?
That would be YOUR racist party.Derp...Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?
That would be YOUR racist party.
The former confederate states are all conservative red states, dope.
Did the ideology of the populations of those states change or just their party affiliation?
WTH is "Derp..." supposed to mean?Always been conservative. If not, then how can that flag represent the pride and heritage that modern conservatives say it does?Have you failed to notice that the ideology of those (as well as others) States has well as the people who live there has changed very considerably in the last 150 years or so?
WTH is "Derp..." supposed to mean?
Current living people (not necessarily conservative, white, or from any particular place) say that because it happens to be true. Who are you to say their motives aren't what they say they are. To me Confederate flags honor family members who died honorably fighting bravely for a good cause. The same is true of the US flag for the same reasons. I don't know or care what my ancestors thought about slavery and I had some that fought on each side. It's just not at all important to me and it is wrong of you to claim otherwise.
That was completely reasonable. But Hutch is here to justify bullying behavior by SJWs, so, he will pretend to be too stupid to understand what you said.
I understood it without a problem. It just didn't speak to my point at all.That was completely reasonable. But Hutch is here to justify bullying behavior by SJWs, so, he will pretend to be too stupid to understand what you said.
Fighting against the United States of America and in support of maintaining slavery is a good cause?
Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?
Why was Biden best friends with KKK member Dem Senator Robert Byrd?
Why not?
Byrd had long ago denounced his association and his voting record on Civil Rights was endorsed by the NAACP
NAACP mourns Byrd’s death
The NAACP has issued a statement mourning Monday’s death of Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), a onetime member of the Ku Klux Klan.NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous saluted Byrd for his…thehill.com
Did they endorse Robert KKK Byrd when he filibustered the Civil Rights Act?Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?
Why was Biden best friends with KKK member Dem Senator Robert Byrd?
Why not?
Byrd had long ago denounced his association and his voting record on Civil Rights was endorsed by the NAACP
He used the word "ni**er" on national TV only a few years before he assumed room temperature.
Then there's Biden's other best friend Harry Reid who described Obama as someone who could talk like a whitey when he wanted to and Biden who said recently that poor kids are just as smart as white kids.
Harry Reid was a great Senator and Senate Majority Leader.
Got much more accomplished than Turtle Boy Mitch
Keep praising those Klan leaders....
Yeah. And who did that?Because it has also been allowed to be used and branded as a symbol of hate and racism. Still is.So, why raise such a ridiculous fuss over it?Some folks will fight and try to rewrite our Civil War forever. Confederacy lost. Time will never change that. The confederate flag is a lost cause.
For the last 40+ years, it has mainly/generally been used as a symbol of The South. Even in pop culture and entertainment.
Who cares if he wanted it to secede? I'm sure he would have been thrilled to have it remain in the union and pay the extortionate tariffs he wanted it to pay.Yes, but who says he wanted the South to secede?He made it quite plain that he wasn't going to allow the Confederate states to secede peacefully.
and just so he would have an excuse for a war?
I dont think so
lincoln did not want a war
but naturally as president of the UNITED STATES he could not allow the South to secede
They were wrong, the reason they left was because of a perceived threat to Slavery when in fact they had as much clout in the Congress as they did BEFORE lincoln was elected and a President alone could not change the Constitution nor state laws. They were worried that 20 years down the line Free States would out number the slave states enough to effect slavery, and instead of fighting politically to prevent that they instead cut their own throats and ended slavery in 3 years not 20.To me Confederate flags honor family members who died honorably fighting bravely for a good cause.
Fighting against the United States of America and in support of maintaining slavery is a good cause?
The simple fact is that the South wanted to self govern. You can argue the reason they wanted to self govern until the cows come home, it really doesn't matter. They no longer recognized the authority of Washington DC just as the USA no longer recognized the authority of the Crown 80 years prior.
To state their cause was "wrong" is to state our cause was wrong in 1776, because they only difference is the USA won it's war for independence.
*Sigh* Read the post again - the REASON is irrelevant. They wanted independence and they fought for it. Same as we did in 1776. If they were "wrong", so were we.
You all obviously want that to be the case. That's what the lost cause bullshit was meant to do. To change the narrative.the REASON is irrelevant.
They were wrong, the reason they left was because of a perceived threat to Slavery when in fact they had as much clout in the Congress as they did BEFORE lincoln was elected and a President alone could not change the Constitution nor state laws. They were worried that 20 years down the line Free States would out number the slave states enough to effect slavery, and instead of fighting politically to prevent that they instead cut their own throats and ended slavery in 3 years not 20.To me Confederate flags honor family members who died honorably fighting bravely for a good cause.
Fighting against the United States of America and in support of maintaining slavery is a good cause?
The simple fact is that the South wanted to self govern. You can argue the reason they wanted to self govern until the cows come home, it really doesn't matter. They no longer recognized the authority of Washington DC just as the USA no longer recognized the authority of the Crown 80 years prior.
To state their cause was "wrong" is to state our cause was wrong in 1776, because they only difference is the USA won it's war for independence.
*Sigh* Read the post again - the REASON is irrelevant. They wanted independence and they fought for it. Same as we did in 1776. If they were "wrong", so were we.You all obviously want that to be the case. That's what the lost cause bullshit was meant to do. To change the narrative.the REASON is irrelevant.
Its not irrelevant. Not at all.
The reason, the self stated reason by the confederate states, is exactly why those monuments and statues are being removed.
Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?Because Democrats of slavery and the kkk have switched parties with the Republicans is more likely.... y'all try to blame the Dems of today for past sins, but it's really the ancestors of today's Republicans in the South's past sins... is what seems obvious, to me....Because Republicans aren’t fascist scum like you Dimwingers.I thought confederates and kkk etc, were Democrats? So why are Republicans fighting to keep a flag belonging to Democrats up?LOL go fly your rainbow flag you gay faggot. As for the Confederate flag it is NOT treasonous as it does not exists anymore and all the confederates were pardoned. It is simply a historical flag of our past. Remind me do you support BLM in tearing down Washington's statue, Lincoln? Remind me again who is the traitor?
That would be YOUR racist party.Derp...Which party had a KKK leader serving in the Senate until 2010?
That would be YOUR racist party.
The former confederate states are all conservative red states, dope.
Did the ideology of the populations of those states change or just their party affiliation?
LOL...Southern states wised up and sent YOUR racist party packing.
The North did not see it that wayThere was no justification for invading the South, secession or not.
Why does our President support the racist, treasonous Confederate Flag?
Why was Biden best friends with KKK member Dem Senator Robert Byrd?
Why not?
Byrd had long ago denounced his association and his voting record on Civil Rights was endorsed by the NAACP
He used the word "ni**er" on national TV only a few years before he assumed room temperature.
Then there's Biden's other best friend Harry Reid who described Obama as someone who could talk like a whitey when he wanted to and Biden who said recently that poor kids are just as smart as white kids.
Harry Reid was a great Senator and Senate Majority Leader.
Got much more accomplished than Turtle Boy Mitch
He was a sleazy lying douchebag, so that fits your definition of "a great leader."
Great American
That's the "might makes right" theory of justice.The North did not see it that wayThere was no justification for invading the South, secession or not.
when two side have entrenched and inflexible positions that usually leads to war
again, the South lost the war, so in hindsight going to war was not the smart thing to do
neither was firing on ft sumter
almost anything else would have been better
Yes, I suppose soThat's the might makes right, theory.
