PoliticalChic
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So they were slavers but felt bad about it ?I see that she has ditched Science after yesterdays disaster, now we are on to history.
Just two points - incredibly crass to assert that the Revolution was the first time that any state had used "terror" to repress its people.
And secondly those amazing founders who were champions of liberty were actually slavers. Kinda spoils their liberal credentials.
1. "I see that she has ditched Science after yesterdays disaster, now we are on to history."
You'll find me to be correct in very venue I choose to post in.
I am the quintessential Renaissance Woman!
Yesterday, in Science, I challenged you to 'stand on your own hind legs," and confront what I wrote. Instead you scurried off and hid.
2. "Just two points - incredibly crass to assert that the Revolution was the first time that any state had used "terror" to repress its people."
The French Revolution and successive ones, made terror government policy.
If you have something of the reverse.....why didn't you post it?
3. "And secondly those amazing founders who were champions of liberty were actually slavers. Kinda spoils their liberal credentials."
Every society ever had slavery.....ours ended it.
And, those Founders:
2. An excellent read on the matter is a brilliant book called Miracle in Philadelphia, by Catherine Drinker Bowen, which recounts the actual history and debates around the Constitutional Convention in 1787.
- Usually, the ‘Founders’ refers to these six: Madison, Jefferson and Washington, Adams, Hamilton, and Franklin.
- The three non-Southerners worked tirelessly against slavery.
- While reading Ron Chernow’s book Alexander Hamilton, though, I found out that Hamilton was a strong advocate for the abolition of slavery. During the 1780s, Hamilton was one of the founders of the New York Society for Promoting the Manumission of Slaves, which was instrumental in the abolition of slavery in the state of New York. After reading about Alexander Hamilton’s work for the New York Manumission Society, I gained a greater appreciation of Alexander Hamiltonhttp://angelolopez.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/alexander-hamilton-and-the-new-york-manumission-society/
- Many of the other Founding Fathers were activists like Alexander Hamilton. In 1787 Benjamin Franklin agree to serve as president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society, which set out to abolish slavery and set up programs to help freed slaves to become good citizens and improve the conditions of free African Americans. On February 12, 1790, Benjamin Franklin and the Pennsylvania Abolition Society presented a petition to the House of Representatives calling for the federal government to take steps for the gradual abolition of slavery and end the slave trade. As a young lawyer, Thomas Jefferson represented a slave in court attempting to be set free and during the 1770s and 1780s, Jefferson had many several attempts to pass legislation to gradually abolish slavery and end the slave trade. John Jay was the first president of the New York Manumission Society and was active in Society’s efforts to abolish slavery. Ibid.
Slavery was a huge issue during that convention, and many of the Founding Fathers wanted it outlawed, but ran into an impasse after many hours of debate with the southern colonies whose agricultural productivity depended on it.
The Founders who wanted to set the stage for the abolition of slavery came up with a compromise involving the issue of apportionment.
The southern colonies that favored slavery wanted all residents of their states, slave and free, counted equally when it came to deciding how many seats they were going to receive in Congress. Some of the northern colonies, who mostly had few slaves and thus nothing to lose didn’t want slave residents counted at all.
The Founder’s compromise was to count each slave as 3/5 of a man for the purposes of apportionment, and when that passed after a great deal more debate and lobbying, legislators from the slave states were permanently limited to a minority. With that one stroke, the state was set for slavery’s eventual demise, and the proof of how effective it was came in 1804, when the slave states were powerless to stop Congress from outlawing the importation of slaves to the new nation.
The stage was set, even if it took 70 years and a bloody war.
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You said you had two points....you should have said three, counting the one on your head.
Are you upset because Americans ended slavery before England, the slave-transporters, did?