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The Filibuster MUST Go

BluesLegend

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So Mitch McConnell says the Debt Ceiling MUST be raised.

But he and all the GOP Senators are going to vote against it.

That's bad enough...but they are also FILIBUSTERING even the VOTE!

This has to stop.

Dem Senators have to remove that tool from these cynical bastards
Elections have consequences so suck it. We will fight the filth traitor Democrats tooth and nail.
 

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Dems are the reckless spenders, they should own this
Come on man, Nancy Pelosi really really really needs that $200 million for the park near her home in San Francisco, it's a top priority.
 

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I see what McConnell is doing.

He's trying to get the democrats to remove the filibuster so when the republicans have control of the congress they can write and pass any bill they want without anyone stopping the.

I wish the republicans would stop their non stop filibuster but they won't and I'm not willing to support to remove it so that when the republicans have control they can run wild.
More likely they want the Dems to use reconciliation to pass the debt ceiling so they can’t use it to spend 10 trillion dollars we don’t have.
 

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Or ther GOP could simply stop their filibuster of the Debt Ceiling.
Or, the democrats could use their reconciliation to pass it. See, this can go both ways.

You'll say "those repubs are to blame because they blocked the bill to raise the debt ceiling", all the while you have an ability at your disposal to make sure it gets raised.

Both sides are wrong here, playing politics over the debt ceiling, but at the end of the day, both sides are guilty.

I understand, you want the senate to cave, so you can get the debt ceiling AND be able to use reconciliation to pass the next massive spending bill. McConnell is saying they don't like what's in that big spending bill so they are going to hinder that by forcing dems to use their reconciliation to pass the debt ceiling.

Again, this is what politics has boiled down to. Using tactics to get wins for your side, and both sides are doing it.
 
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Or, the democrats could use their reconciliation to pass it. See, this can go both ways.

You'll say "those repubs are to blame because they blocked the bill to raise the debt ceiling", all the while you have an ability at your disposal to make sure it gets raised.

Both sides are wrong here, playing politics over the debt ceiling, but at the end of the day, both sides are guilty.

I understand, you want the senate to cave, so you can get the debt ceiling AND be able to use reconciliation to pass the next massive spending bill. McConnell is saying they don't like what's in that big spending bill so they are going to hinder that by forcing dems to use their reconciliation to pass the debt ceiling.

Again, this is what politics has boiled down to. Using tactics to get wins for your side, and both sides are doing it.
Kill the filibuster and we have a vote on the debt ceiling. If Republicans want to go on record as voting to bankrupt the country ( by not paying existing debt) they can do that.

Ya don’t fuck with the debt ceiling. Last time the GOP did that our credit rating took a hit.

Bad idea
 
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Or, the democrats could use their reconciliation to pass it. See, this can go both ways.

You'll say "those repubs are to blame because they blocked the bill to raise the debt ceiling", all the while you have an ability at your disposal to make sure it gets raised.

Both sides are wrong here, playing politics over the debt ceiling, but at the end of the day, both sides are guilty.

I understand, you want the senate to cave, so you can get the debt ceiling AND be able to use reconciliation to pass the next massive spending bill. McConnell is saying they don't like what's in that big spending bill so they are going to hinder that by forcing dems to use their reconciliation to pass the debt ceiling.

Again, this is what politics has boiled down to. Using tactics to get wins for your side, and both sides are doing it.
Too bad the GOP is using our economy as a hostage… again
 

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If Republicans want to go on record as voting to bankrupt the country ( by not paying existing debt) they can do that.
(Allow me to further illustrate Lesh's ignorance)
Why do you believe not raising the debt ceiling means we cannot pay existing debt?
 
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(Allow me to further illustrate Lesh's ignorance)
Why do you believe not raising the debt ceiling means we cannot pay existing debt?
That’s what the debt ceiling is about.

Explain where I am wrong
 

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That’s what the debt ceiling is about.
See? Your ignorance, further exposed. How easy was that?
The debt ceiling is about borrowing money.
The US government - with over $3.5T in revenue, FY 2021 - does not need to borrow money to pay interest on the debt.
 

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I see what McConnell is doing.

He's trying to get the democrats to remove the filibuster so when the republicans have control of the congress they can write and pass any bill they want without anyone stopping the.

I wish the republicans would stop their non stop filibuster but they won't and I'm not willing to support to remove it so that when the republicans have control they can run wild.
He's trying to get the democrats to remove the filibuster so when the republicans have control of the congress they can write and pass any bill they want without anyone stopping the.

But, that's the exact reason the dems want it removed.
 

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But he and all the GOP Senators are going to vote against it.
That's bad enough...but they are also FILIBUSTERING even the VOTE!
This is a great example of the difference between a Republican and a Democrat. This is the difference between Conservatives and Liberals. The difference between Capitalism and Socialism.

When Trump was president, a conservative, a republican, the economy is our labor, the economy is jobs, producing goods, by we the people. Trump as a businessman first, understands that the economy is jobs in the USA.

With Biden as president, the only economy they know of is to spend. Democrats do not understand nor know how to get out of our way so we can work freely and create jobs. Democrats, socialists, they believe that it is they who give, create, and allocate the jobs to the people as they deem necessary. Democrats and Socialists only know how to spend money, to borrow money, to tax to collect money. Democrats have no knowledge that money is our labor, our private property.

Here, the Democrats are screaming that without being able to borrow more money than ever before, they can not begin to match the economy Trump created.

Democrats must tax and borrow to create an economy. Conservatives with Trump as president, had the liberty to work and create an economy from our jobs and labor we create.
They're not just refusing to vote to lift the debt ceiling, they're filibustering it. Yes, they really do want to blow up the economy so they can blame Democrats.
 

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Even if you have burn down the economy to do it
Oh God the irony, Dems are trying to borrow and spend $3.5 trillion on PORK hello!
 

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Kill the filibuster and we have a vote on the debt ceiling. If Republicans want to go on record as voting to bankrupt the country ( by not paying existing debt) they can do that.

Ya don’t fuck with the debt ceiling. Last time the GOP did that our credit rating took a hit.

Bad idea
Republicans want to go on record as voting to bankrupt the country ( by not paying existing debt) they can do that.

"DDemocrats want to go on record as voting to bankrupt the country ( by not using reconciliation) they can do that."


See, we can go round and round about this. The left doesn't even want to consider reconciliation as an option because they don't want to use that leverage. I get it, but by the same token that you want to pin it on repubs, they can pin it on you as well, because the republican party is not your only option.

Look, let me ease your mind here. At the end of the day, there is no need to worry. You are going to get everything you want. McConnell doesn't have a spine and repubs don't have any balls.

This is all a show, one that we've seen time and time again. It will come down to the last hour, and will result in a "deal" being made.....a deal being an agreement where dems win and repubs don't get any concessions in return..

You'll get your win, you'll be able to do your victory dance, rub it in repubs faces, call them names, tell them they are weak and spineless....you'll get ALL of that, just have a little patience.
 

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The dems had every opportunty to put the debt ceiling in their reconcillation bill, but they didn't
They wanted the vote to be bipartisan. McConnell, the massive hypocrite, wants the debt ceiling to be in the reconciliation bill so it can be 100 percent owned by the Democrats.

After McConnell rode herd for four years on Trump's $7.8 trillion of debt, and raising the debt ceiling twice, and actually SUSPENDING the debt ceiling twice because they couldn't keep up with Trump's spending.
 

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We're going to actually see it, boys and girls. We are actually going to see it.

After whining for eight years about Obama's spending, and then going absolutely dead silent about Trump's spending, the hypocrites are going to start whining about Biden's spending.

And just like the sheep they are, the tard herd is going to do the same.
 

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Trump just about matched Obama's debt in HALF the time. While Obama reduced the deficit, Trump DOUBLED it in his first two years with a GOP Congress.

And not one fucking word out of the Trumptards the whole time. Not one fucking word.

McConnell's bullshit games depend on this characteristic of the rubes.
 

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Trump just about matched Obama's debt in HALF the time. While Obama reduced the deficit, Trump DOUBLED it in his first two years with a GOP Congress.

And not one fucking word out of the Trumptards the whole time. Not one fucking word.

McConnell's bullshit games depend on this characteristic of the rubes.
And now Biden wants to do it in the first 8 months of his presidency? Is there some kind of contest?
 

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