The Fight for 15 dollars an hour...the computer that just took my order is laughing at you......

[Canon Shooter]

You have no valid arguments only fallacy (of argumentum ad hominem).

My arguments have a solid foothold in logic.

You wouldn't know logic if it fucking fell on you...

The minimum wage is still the Minimum wage. The private sector is merely a price taker. The socialism of Government has the sovereignty to "move the goalposts."

Now you're repeating yourself like a retard...

 

[JoeB131]

Paying someone $15 an hour to flip a burger is stupid. Now, teach the guy who flips the burgers to also fix the grill when it goes down and I say pay him $20 an hour.

Pay needs to be commensurate with the skill...

Okay, by that logic, no CEO should make more than mid-six figures...

Seems reasonable to me.

Not in California you didn't. Those liberal dipshits out there have gotten the cost of living to be so outrageous that the 1,450 sq. foot 4BR/2BA house that I paid $198K for in 1999 is now valued at over $600K...

No one made you live in California.

No one forces anyone to take on student debt. No one. I've got a buddy who got his degree in neurobiology from the University of Rochester. He and I are the same age. It took him years to pay off his student loans. The funny part is that he does nothing with that degree. He makes his living now as a professional guitar player, touring with one of those old 60's bands that the old folks like to go see. He's clearing $3K a night while on tour, and is also a successful music producer in New York.

Cool Story, Bro. Has nothing to do with my point.

Point is, I have what I consider a not terribly useful degree. History, or as I like to jokingly say, "Management of Things that have already happened." Now, in the field I am in, Purchasing and Supply Chain, 95% of the jobs require a degree in something. Experience doesn't matter if you got a degree. So when the Company that Cured me of Republican Bullshit let go of their three senior buyers to hire cheaper people in 2008, having a Bachelor's degree allowed me to line up another gig pretty quickly.

The next guy took six months to find a new job. He only had some college. Another lady, who had the m ost experience didn't find a new job for nearly two years.. maybe more, I lost contact with her. Why? She had no college at all.

What have I done wrong? Work hard? Be successful? Why do you think I should apologize for that? Why do you think I should feel bad?

For being kind of a shitty human being, but that's a different discussion.

I agree that employees should be paid for the value of their labor. The problem is that you think that flipping a burger has a value of $15 an hour. It doesn't. One needn't possess a special skill-set to do that job. One needs to remain upright and conscious and have the manual dexterity to operate a spatula.

I bet I could stick you in a McDonalds, and you wouldn't last a week with the work load those kids have to deal with. Hard work, my ass.

Pretty sure the BLM riots had nothing to do with Shaquandanitra making $15 an hour at McDonald's.

As for the revolution, I'm ready. Are you?

Wow, did you just out yourself as kind of a racist there, didn't you?

Yes, the poverty has EVERYTHING to do with those riots.

Because their jealousy had gotten the best of them, just as yours has gotten the best of you...

Um, no, it wasn't the "Jealousy", it was the "Starvation". Those rich fucks who got their heads cut off were living very large on the hard work of those peasants... who just got fed up and had enough.

The one thing you learn with a history degree- people don't learn anything from history.

 

[Supposn]

This would have never been an issue if the minimum wage had kept up with inflation. Why did Capitalism fail Labor as the least wealthy in our economy?

DanielPalos, regardless of their economic or political systems, almost all, (if not all the world’s major economic nations’ governments’ have something similar to or serves the purpose of minimum wage rate laws in the USA. Inserting considerations regarding capitalism or socialism within this topic is irrelevant to this topic.
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[danielpalos]

You have no valid arguments only fallacy (of argumentum ad hominem).

My arguments have a solid foothold in logic.

You wouldn't know logic if it fucking fell on you...

The minimum wage is still the Minimum wage. The private sector is merely a price taker. The socialism of Government has the sovereignty to "move the goalposts."

Now you're repeating yourself like a retard...

All You have is, nothing but fallacy not any valid point or argument.

 

[danielpalos]

This would have never been an issue if the minimum wage had kept up with inflation. Why did Capitalism fail Labor as the least wealthy in our economy?

DanielPalos, regardless of their economic or political systems, almost all, (if not all the world’s major economic nations’ governments’ have something similar to or serves the purpose of minimum wage rate laws in the USA. Inserting considerations regarding capitalism or socialism within this topic is irrelevant to this topic.
Respectfully, Supposn

Government is socialism. Modern free market capitalism does not exist since the fall of Mogadishu. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy. Capitalism has no basis to care about any minimum wage.

 

[Canon Shooter]

You have no valid arguments only fallacy (of argumentum ad hominem).

My arguments have a solid foothold in logic.

You wouldn't know logic if it fucking fell on you...

The minimum wage is still the Minimum wage. The private sector is merely a price taker. The socialism of Government has the sovereignty to "move the goalposts."

Now you're repeating yourself like a retard...

All You have is, nothing but fallacy not any valid point or argument.

Well, at least your consistent.

Consistently stupid...

 

[Supposn]

Government is socialism. Modern free market capitalism does not exist since the fall of Mogadishu. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy. Capitalism has no basis to care about any minimum wage.

DanielPalos, you seem to believe many peculiar ideas that are not shared by many others in this or very many other political discussion forums.

I’m not aware of anyone other than you contending “government” is synonymous to “socialism”, or “modern free market capitalism” no longer exists “since the fall of Mogadishu”, or any state in the USA recognizing “at-will unemployment” as qualification for receiving their state’s unemployment insurance benefits.
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[danielpalos]

I’m not aware of anyone other than you contending “government” is synonymous to “socialism”

I am merely dealing with self-evident Truths. Our Government is a form of Socialism. The proof is, we have a command economy. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy. The public sector must be public socialism since it cannot be private sector Capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

’m not aware of anyone other than you contending “government” is synonymous to “socialism”, or “modern free market capitalism” no longer exists “since the fall of Mogadishu”, or any state in the USA recognizing “at-will unemployment” as qualification for receiving their state’s unemployment insurance benefits.

Mogadishu was acknowledged to be a form of anarcho-Capitalism; free market Capitalism, for awhile.

States have no authority to deny or disparage our privileges and immunities through unequal protection of the laws.

 

[Supposn]

I am merely dealing with self-evident Truths. Our Government is a form of Socialism. The proof is, we have a command economy. Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy. The public sector must be public socialism since it cannot be private sector Capitalism.

DanielPalos, what you describe as “self-evident truths” are your, and only your concepts that are shared by few, (and only very few other people).
Yours are concepts of “absolutes”, absolutely one thing or another. Many things, and governments are among such things that are composed of complex interrelated components, and they are themselves, and consequentially they behave less predictably.
Governments are not as you contend, entirely socialistic or entirely capitalistic. If governments as you describe exist anywhere, there are extremely few of them and they’re nations of comparatively smaller gross domestic producers.

USA's Federal Reserve Board tries to influence, but it is unable to entirely “command” even our own nation’s governments’ and commercial behaviors.
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Andylusion]

So I actually worked at McDonald's when the minimum wage went up.

First thing they did, was lay off 3 part time workers.

Cool story, bro. Don't care.

They'd pull shit like this no matter what the wage is. That's why I don't care.

I almost never go to McDonalds because it's an evil corporation and I hope it fucking DIES. (It is slowly dying because it's hated as a brand, increasingly. That clown isn't even showing his face) But one time I did last year, I picked up a vanilla shake because my stomach was bothering me. $4.00 for a Vanilla Shake. And these corrupt greedy fucks can't afford to pay their people a living wage. Seriously, fuck them.

They'd pull shit like this no matter what the wage is. That's why I don't care.

But they didn't. The cost of a value meal didn't increase all that much at all from 1996 to 2007. It didn't. I can remember buying value meals for $5 in the 1990s, and into the mid-2000s. Then in 2011 they were $7 to $8.

The price went up with the minimum wage.

I almost never go to McDonalds because it's an evil corporation and I hope it fucking DIES.

That's not an argument. That's an "I hate someone, because I'm a greedy envious bigot, and I hope they die".

That makes you just a whiny jerk.

McDonald's has 200,000 employees, and sells 6 million burgers a day.

Why do you feel you have the right to destroy other people's jobs, and ruin other peoples products they enjoy?

Stop being a self-centered narcissistic jerk.

 

[JoeB131]

But they didn't. The cost of a value meal didn't increase all that much at all from 1996 to 2007. It didn't. I can remember buying value meals for $5 in the 1990s, and into the mid-2000s. Then in 2011 they were $7 to $8.

Cool story, bro. Frankly, I don't eat at McDonalds, so I wouldn't have noticed. Frankly, if you are the kind of person who is eating at McDonald's every day, you might notice... but sensible people didn't.

McDonald's has 200,000 employees, and sells 6 million burgers a day.

They also destroy the environment, keep people at slave labor wages, engage in unethical business practices. They peddle unhealthy food to the masses and have contributed to a decline in public health.

The world will be better off when the last McDonald's closes its doors.

 

[danielpalos]

DanielPalos, what you describe as “self-evident truths” are your, and only your concepts that are shared by few, (and only very few other people).

You are welcome to explain where I am resorting to fallacy instead of sublime Truth (value), plain reason, and legal axioms.

 

[danielpalos]

Yours are concepts of “absolutes”, absolutely one thing or another. Many things, and governments are among such things that are composed of complex interrelated components, and they are themselves, and consequentially they behave less predictably.
Governments are not as you contend, entirely socialistic or entirely capitalistic. If governments as you describe exist anywhere, there are extremely few of them and they’re nations of comparatively smaller gross domestic producers.

USA's Federal Reserve Board tries to influence, but it is unable to entirely “command” even our own nation’s governments’ and commercial behaviors.
Respectfully, Supposn

Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy pursuant to fiscal policies.

Do you deny that the private sector can only be price takers regarding any statutory minimum wage?

This would have never been an issue if the minimum wage had kept up with inflation. Why did Capitalism fail Labor as the least wealthy in our economy?

 

[Canon Shooter]

But they didn't. The cost of a value meal didn't increase all that much at all from 1996 to 2007. It didn't. I can remember buying value meals for $5 in the 1990s, and into the mid-2000s. Then in 2011 they were $7 to $8.

Cool story, bro. Frankly, I don't eat at McDonalds, so I wouldn't have noticed. Frankly, if you are the kind of person who is eating at McDonald's every day, you might notice... but sensible people didn't.

McDonald's has 200,000 employees, and sells 6 million burgers a day.

They also destroy the environment, keep people at slave labor wages, engage in unethical business practices. They peddle unhealthy food to the masses and have contributed to a decline in public health.

The world will be better off when the last McDonald's closes its doors.

Well, you're now proving to be nothing but an idiot hypocrite.

On the one hand, you lament McDonald's employees not being paid a living wage, and then you say, essentially, you want them put out of a job.

You're not only greedy and a hypocrite, you're stupid and jealous.

You've shown your true colors. While you say McDonald's employees should get $15 an hour, you wish for their employer to go out of business, effectively putting those employees on the unemployment line.

What a fucking scumbag you are...

 

[Andylusion]

But they didn't. The cost of a value meal didn't increase all that much at all from 1996 to 2007. It didn't. I can remember buying value meals for $5 in the 1990s, and into the mid-2000s. Then in 2011 they were $7 to $8.

Cool story, bro. Frankly, I don't eat at McDonalds, so I wouldn't have noticed. Frankly, if you are the kind of person who is eating at McDonald's every day, you might notice... but sensible people didn't.

McDonald's has 200,000 employees, and sells 6 million burgers a day.

They also destroy the environment, keep people at slave labor wages, engage in unethical business practices. They peddle unhealthy food to the masses and have contributed to a decline in public health.

The world will be better off when the last McDonald's closes its doors.

Building a house destroys the environment. Laying concrete destroys the environment. Making solar panels destroys the environment. Everything you do as a human being, has an environmental impact.

Blaming McDonalds, or any other corporation, for what you yourself are doing is ridiculous.

And honestly if you cared at all about the environment, you would kill yourself immediately, which would not only reduce pollution, but increase the average IQ of the world.

Cool story, bro. Frankly, I don't eat at McDonalds, so I wouldn't have noticed. Frankly, if you are the kind of person who is eating at McDonald's every day, you might notice... but sensible people didn't.

Still not a valid argument.

You wouldn't have noticed, yet claim you know it didn't happen. That makes you an arrogant idiot. Not trying to be insulting.... just a fact. You are saying "X didn't happen" and then following that up with "Well I never would have noticed X anyway".

That is not an argument. Forest Gump could spot how dumb that was.

 

[Andylusion]

This would have never been an issue if the minimum wage had kept up with inflation. Why did Capitalism fail Labor as the least wealthy in our economy?

DanielPalos, regardless of their economic or political systems, almost all, (if not all the world’s major economic nations’ governments’ have something similar to or serves the purpose of minimum wage rate laws in the USA. Inserting considerations regarding capitalism or socialism within this topic is irrelevant to this topic.
Respectfully, Supposn

I would disagree. There are several first world countries that do not have anything that prevents an employer for offering $4/hour to get people to work.

The reason employers in Denmark do not pay $4/hour to flip burgers at McDonald's, is not because of government or Unions, but rather because of supply and demand.

The supply of low-skill, no-skill labor in Denmark is a tiny fraction of what it is here. People simply don't work for low wages. As result, the supply of low/no-skill labor being low, and the demand being (by relative to the supply) high, results in wages being high.

Government didn't do that. Unions didn't do that. Regulations, and/or anything else didn't do that.

The free-market, and people choosing to not work for low wages, did that.

The same could be true here in the US. If people simply refused to work for low wages, by either getting a degree, or getting a skill, or simply starting their own businesses.... low-skill no-skill wages would rise, as the supply of low/no skill labor shrank.

 

[JoeB131]

On the one hand, you lament McDonald's employees not being paid a living wage, and then you say, essentially, you want them put out of a job.

Naw, I want all working folks to get a living wage... and I want the corporate abomination that is McDonald's to DIE.

These are not mutually exclusive thoughts.

You've shown your true colors. While you say McDonald's employees should get $15 an hour, you wish for their employer to go out of business, effectively putting those employees on the unemployment line.

No, they'll just go to work somewhere else... No big deal.

But seriously, Fuck McDonalds.

 

[JoeB131]

Building a house destroys the environment. Laying concrete destroys the environment. Making solar panels destroys the environment. Everything you do as a human being, has an environmental impact.

Blaming McDonalds, or any other corporation, for what you yourself are doing is ridiculous.

And honestly if you cared at all about the environment, you would kill yourself immediately, which would not only reduce pollution, but increase the average IQ of the world.

MY IQ is higher than yours, and I'm probably better educated... but the point is, McDonald's net behavior is a negative on the environment and the health of Americans overall.

You wouldn't have noticed, yet claim you know it didn't happen. That makes you an arrogant idiot. Not trying to be insulting.... just a fact. You are saying "X didn't happen" and then following that up with "Well I never would have noticed X anyway".

Right... most normal people don't gorge themselves on the GARBAGE that comes out of McDonalds... that's why they wouldn't notice if they made the fry containers slightly smaller (OH NOES)!

 

[danielpalos]

This would have never been an issue if the minimum wage had kept up with inflation. Why did Capitalism fail Labor as the least wealthy in our economy?

DanielPalos, regardless of their economic or political systems, almost all, (if not all the world’s major economic nations’ governments’ have something similar to or serves the purpose of minimum wage rate laws in the USA. Inserting considerations regarding capitalism or socialism within this topic is irrelevant to this topic.
Respectfully, Supposn

I would disagree. There are several first world countries that do not have anything that prevents an employer for offering $4/hour to get people to work.

The reason employers in Denmark do not pay $4/hour to flip burgers at McDonald's, is not because of government or Unions, but rather because of supply and demand.

The supply of low-skill, no-skill labor in Denmark is a tiny fraction of what it is here. People simply don't work for low wages. As result, the supply of low/no-skill labor being low, and the demand being (by relative to the supply) high, results in wages being high.

Government didn't do that. Unions didn't do that. Regulations, and/or anything else didn't do that.

The free-market, and people choosing to not work for low wages, did that.

The same could be true here in the US. If people simply refused to work for low wages, by either getting a degree, or getting a skill, or simply starting their own businesses.... low-skill no-skill wages would rise, as the supply of low/no skill labor shrank.

It is all about socialism bailing out capitalism.

Denmark’s comprehensive social welfare system offers unemployment, disability, old-age, and survivorship benefits at virtually no charge to all Danes.--https://www.britannica.com/place/Denmark/Health-and-welfare