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The FBI Raided Trump's Home Based On Some Of The Exact Crimes Hillary Committed

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Wrong.
If the FBI had gotten all the docs, then they would not have been all excited about the ones found on Weiner's laptop.
The truth is Hillary did not cooperate at all, wiped the server and smashed all the cellphones.
Trump should have been so smart….she wasn’t charged for anything.
 

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"The government conducted the search in response to what it believes to be a violation of federal laws: 18 USC 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information; 18 USC 2071 — concealment, removal or mutilation; and 18 USC 1519 — destruction, alteration or falsification of records in federal investigations."

18 USC 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Hillary gathered classified documents, to include TS/SCI information, documents she did not have proper clearance to have in her possession, and had this material in her home.
(- Which the FBI never raided)

Former FBI Director comey testified under oath, asking questions from then Senator Trey Gowdy, stated Hillary Clinton did illegally send and receive classified information, means.some via UNCLASS


18 USC 1519 — destruction, alteration or falsification of records

DESTRUCTION:

Hillary Clinton illegally destroyed multiple classified devices with hammers.

FALSIFICATION / PERJURY:
According to former FBI Director Comey under oath, lied to Congress by claiming she only used 1 (one) classified device.

DESTRUCTION:

She also attempted to wipe her classified hard drive using 'Bleach Bit' (software % program)

FALSIFICATION / ALTERATION:

Hillary is on record through testimony as having ordered her staff to strip the classified marking off of classified documents and send the classified information through UNCLASS methods when her Classified FAX was not working.

This is illegally altering classified documents and illegally transmitting / sending classified information.
- By her ordering her staff to do so it proves she knew EXACTLY what she was doing, despite Former FBI Director Comey claiming she was too stupid to know she was breaking laws.


UNLIKE HILLARY:

DECLASSIFYING AGENT / DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS
Trump was President at the time and was considered a DECLASSIFYING AGENT, having the legal authority to declassify classified information, which he is on record / testimony as having done with the information he took with him.
- Hillary was a civilian at the time she took classified documents and had no authority to declassify the classified documents she had taken.

(Despite Democrats' / The DOJ's / the FBI's claim this is false, there is documented, recorded evidence that then President Trump gave a lawful Presidential order to the FBI Director Comey to declassify all records and information pertaining to the FBI's criminal CROSSFIRE HURRICANE operation against President Trump and his team, an operation that began before he became President and continued into his Presidency.

Despite receiving to declasdify AND RELEASE all CROSSFIRE HURRICANE files and information, proven criminal then FBI Director Comey DISOBEYED that direct order. Comey refused to declassify and release the information because it could implicate Comey, other FBI leadership, and FBI Agents in having committed crimes during the operation.

Going on 19 months later, FBI Director FBI Wray and the FBI continues to criminally refuse to comply with the order. In addition, Wray and the FBI continue to illegally refuse to comply with multiple FOIA Requests for the release of the information, requests filed shortly after the order to declassify and release the info.

The FBI has undeniably proven it is willing to violate lawful orders and break laws to prevent disclosing its criminal actions.

The FBI has proven to have kept classified what was ordered to be DECLASSIFIED and released.

If the FBI and DOJ refused to comply with a direct lawful Presidential order to declassify documents ... how are Anericans supposed to trust the FBI's & DOJ's claim that the documents in Trump's possession - that were seized - were not declassified by President Trump before he left office, which he had full authority to do? By denying ' claiming Trump did not classify any documents they could essentially be trying to 'frame him'.

It does not make logical sense Trump would order the declassification of CROSSFIRE HURRICANE documents but not any others.)

UNLIKE HILLARY....

President Trump did not order classified markings be stripped from classified documents, did not send and receive classified documents through Unclassified methods...

President Trump did not have an unsecured server on which he kept classified documents, did not let aides who had no proper clearance abd whose family has ties to terrorists download all of the classified information onto a personal laptop - one shared by a pedo-sexter who also did not have classification / authority to have access to this classified info...

President Trump did not attempt to destroy evidence by illegally attempting to wipe his hard river or smash multiple classified devices he said did not exist (like Hillary did)

The claims that what Trump did is somehow worse than what Hillary Clinton did is a near un-equalled, undeniable fabrication of near biblical proportions yet definitely of historic proportions.





The FBI never "raided" the Clinton's home because the Clintons never refused them access.

Furthermore, there were only 4 classified documents on her server, and nothing above "classified".

Hillary Clinton committed NONE of the crimes Donald Trump is accused of.
 

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It is my understanding that she never moved or copied actual documents. She was only discussing things she knew about, like you are. You have not copied info from another source, just working from your memory. That is what she was doing and that is the only thing that makes sense. She was emailing to government servers so she knew there would be records kept for her.

More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department in December 2014 contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received, Comey said. The FBI director said “a very small number” of the emails containing classified information “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” contrary to Clinton’s claims that none was marked classified.

“Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of the classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information,” Comey said.


She wiped the server after supplying the 30K emails to the gov't.

The FBI on Sept. 2 released a two-part summary of its investigation of Clinton that said the former secretary of state’s emails were deleted “sometime between March 25-31, 2015.″ That was about three weeks after the House Select Committee on Benghazi served Clinton with a subpoena on March 4, 2015, to produce any emails related to its investigation into the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi in 2012.

Initially, the campaign had told us that the deletions occurred sometime between December 2014 and March 4, 2015, but did not provide a date. Clinton campaign spokesman Josh Schwerin later told us that Clinton and her attorneys had no knowledge of the email deletions in late March 2015 until the FBI released its report on Sept. 2.

Here’s what the FBI report said: By December 2014, Clinton’s lawyers had completed their review of her emails, and sent her work-related emails to the State Department. At that time, a Clinton lawyer told Platte River Networks – which was maintaining Clinton’s private server – that the former secretary no longer needed any emails that were more than 60 days old, and instructed an unnamed PRN employee “to modify the e-mail retention policy … to reflect this change.” The PRN employee told the FBI that “sometime between March 25-31, 2015″ he realized he did not make the change requested by Clinton’s office and he deleted her old emails at that time.


2054. SYNOPSIS OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION PROCEDURES ACT (CIPA)

There are others, including the Espionage Act of 1917

Wrong.

For the page and paragraph classified markers to be present in the email, it has to be chunks of quoted material.
A "discussion" would not have included these rote markers that classified docs all have, but no one would otherwise normally use.
That is their purpose, to expose people who try to evade by quoting sections.

Anyone can easily turn over any number of emails without classified information.
It says NOTHING about the number of emails WITH classified information.

The reason I do not care about Hillary's emails is not that she did not violate the law deliberately, while Trump did not, but that since the law allows president's total discretion, Obama probably was good with what Hillary did. Which means there was no violation then. Obama could allow Hillary to do whatever she wanted with classified docs.
That is essentially what Comey is also saying.

But getting back to Trump.
All laws clearly say presidents are above, explicitly immune, and the generator of all classified doc regulations, through presidential executive orders.

Espionage and treason are doing harmful things to the US.
Trump's saving copies of classified docs for his library or any other reason, is not at all harmful to the US.
So the law says he can do whatever he wants, pretty much.

So why did you bring up CIPA?
That could become invoked there the Mar-a-lago search ever gets to a trial, but that is very unlikely.
Most likely a deal will be reached because the FBI knows it goofed.
 
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Hillary wasn’t trying to avoid freedom of information act requests, she was trying to get around the fact that government computers only have 20 MB of storage per employee.

Wrong.
I happen to know people who work there, and there is no email storage limit, as that would itself be a violation of FOIA.
All they have to do is add more hard drives, which are incredibly cheap these days.
I just bought a 5 terabyte drive for $75.
Email servers do not need speed, so do not need SSDs.
If a person were to have some sort of limitation, then a person would just start additional accounts with different logins.
 

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LOL. Hate to break it to you, sweetheart but...Rump isn't the president anymore, sweetheart. He is just a normal citizen like you and me. :itsok:

When president, Trump can give classified docs to anyone he wanted, including himself.
 

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Yes they do need clearances after they leave office.

The President is NOT exempt from the laws regarding the storage and security of classified documents.

Wrong.

Nothing changes as far as the ex-president not needing any sort of security clearance, for the classified docs he created during his term.
It is only NEW classified docs the next president creates, that the ex-president does not have clearance to see.

The president is totally and completely, specifically exempt from any and all laws and regulations regarding storage or anything else related to classified docs.
 

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Hillary committed no crimes.

Hillary is above the law.

That’s the problem.

If Hillary was acting as Obama desired, and she probably was, then she would also have been totally exempt.
Which was essentially what Comey said, that she was not following the law, but had no criminal intent.
 

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Not all of it was declassified. The memorandum even states that. He even stated he accepts the parts deemed to remain classified to remain as such. And there's no evidence he gave any such standing order.

The constant standing order in the White House, under every single president, has always been that all docs in the White House are declassified for everyone in the White House who needs to look at them.
Whether you want to say the docs are declassified or that the people are all granted ultimate security clearance, makes no difference at all.
 

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"The government conducted the search in response to what it believes to be a violation of federal laws: 18 USC 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information; 18 USC 2071 — concealment, removal or mutilation; and 18 USC 1519 — destruction, alteration or falsification of records in federal investigations."

18 USC 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Hillary gathered classified documents, to include TS/SCI information, documents she did not have proper clearance to have in her possession, and had this material in her home.
(- Which the FBI never raided)

Former FBI Director comey testified under oath, asking questions from then Senator Trey Gowdy, stated Hillary Clinton did illegally send and receive classified information, means.some via UNCLASS


18 USC 1519 — destruction, alteration or falsification of records

DESTRUCTION:

Hillary Clinton illegally destroyed multiple classified devices with hammers.

FALSIFICATION / PERJURY:
According to former FBI Director Comey under oath, lied to Congress by claiming she only used 1 (one) classified device.

DESTRUCTION:

She also attempted to wipe her classified hard drive using 'Bleach Bit' (software % program)

FALSIFICATION / ALTERATION:

Hillary is on record through testimony as having ordered her staff to strip the classified marking off of classified documents and send the classified information through UNCLASS methods when her Classified FAX was not working.

This is illegally altering classified documents and illegally transmitting / sending classified information.
- By her ordering her staff to do so it proves she knew EXACTLY what she was doing, despite Former FBI Director Comey claiming she was too stupid to know she was breaking laws.


UNLIKE HILLARY:

DECLASSIFYING AGENT / DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS
Trump was President at the time and was considered a DECLASSIFYING AGENT, having the legal authority to declassify classified information, which he is on record / testimony as having done with the information he took with him.
- Hillary was a civilian at the time she took classified documents and had no authority to declassify the classified documents she had taken.

(Despite Democrats' / The DOJ's / the FBI's claim this is false, there is documented, recorded evidence that then President Trump gave a lawful Presidential order to the FBI Director Comey to declassify all records and information pertaining to the FBI's criminal CROSSFIRE HURRICANE operation against President Trump and his team, an operation that began before he became President and continued into his Presidency.

Despite receiving to declasdify AND RELEASE all CROSSFIRE HURRICANE files and information, proven criminal then FBI Director Comey DISOBEYED that direct order. Comey refused to declassify and release the information because it could implicate Comey, other FBI leadership, and FBI Agents in having committed crimes during the operation.

Going on 19 months later, FBI Director FBI Wray and the FBI continues to criminally refuse to comply with the order. In addition, Wray and the FBI continue to illegally refuse to comply with multiple FOIA Requests for the release of the information, requests filed shortly after the order to declassify and release the info.

The FBI has undeniably proven it is willing to violate lawful orders and break laws to prevent disclosing its criminal actions.

The FBI has proven to have kept classified what was ordered to be DECLASSIFIED and released.

If the FBI and DOJ refused to comply with a direct lawful Presidential order to declassify documents ... how are Anericans supposed to trust the FBI's & DOJ's claim that the documents in Trump's possession - that were seized - were not declassified by President Trump before he left office, which he had full authority to do? By denying ' claiming Trump did not classify any documents they could essentially be trying to 'frame him'.

It does not make logical sense Trump would order the declassification of CROSSFIRE HURRICANE documents but not any others.)

UNLIKE HILLARY....

President Trump did not order classified markings be stripped from classified documents, did not send and receive classified documents through Unclassified methods...

President Trump did not have an unsecured server on which he kept classified documents, did not let aides who had no proper clearance abd whose family has ties to terrorists download all of the classified information onto a personal laptop - one shared by a pedo-sexter who also did not have classification / authority to have access to this classified info...

President Trump did not attempt to destroy evidence by illegally attempting to wipe his hard river or smash multiple classified devices he said did not exist (like Hillary did)

The claims that what Trump did is somehow worse than what Hillary Clinton did is a near un-equalled, undeniable fabrication of near biblical proportions yet definitely of historic proportions.




You're a total ignoramus and a liar. She didn't have documents you retard.
 

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And nothing classified.

We know for sure that hundreds of emails on those servers DID have classified info.
Of that there is no question.

The problem is Hillary had them wiped before handing them over, so we will never know the extent of the violations of regulations.
And this was verified by Comey, who clearly said there WERE violations, but just not enough to prove criminal intent.

Why do you think Weiner's laptop was so important?
It was because 98% of Hillary's emails were never recovered and Weiner's laptop was hoped to have some.
 

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The FBI never "raided" the Clinton's home because the Clintons never refused them access.

Furthermore, there were only 4 classified documents on her server, and nothing above "classified".

Hillary Clinton committed NONE of the crimes Donald Trump is accused of.

Yes they did.
They did not allow the FBI to have access for almost a week, during which time the servers were totally wiped clean.

And you are totally wrong about what was recovered from other servers Hillary had sent emails to.
There were hundreds with classified docs.

Since presidents are specifically exempt in every piece of classified doc legislation, that would be impossible.
Presidents in no way could ever violate any classified doc law or regulation, (which they get to make).
 

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Wrong.

Nothing changes as far as the ex-president not needing any sort of security clearance, for the classified docs he created during his term.
It is only NEW classified docs the next president creates, that the ex-president does not have clearance to see.

The president is totally and completely, specifically exempt from any and all laws and regulations regarding storage or anything else related to classified docs. :spinner: :aargh: :abgg2q.jpg: 🤪 :banana2: :auiqs.jpg: :laughing0301: :rolleyes: Where in the hell did you get that ignorant lying shit from?
 

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Yes they did.
They did not allow the FBI to have access for almost a week, during which time the servers were totally wiped clean.

And you are totally wrong about what was recovered from other servers Hillary had sent emails to.
There were hundreds with classified docs.

Since presidents are specifically exempt in every piece of classified doc legislation, that would be impossible.
Presidents in no way could ever violate any classified doc law or regulation, (which they get to make).
Trump didn't have emails, he had classified documents.
 

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Of course she did.
Even Hillary admitted that.
Dude, we all know how stupidly retarded you are, so give it a rest. They were emails, not documents. Do you not know the difference? Of course you don't.
 

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When president, Trump can give classified docs to anyone he wanted, including himself.
This is you; The reason I do not care about Hillary's emails is not that she did not violate the law deliberately, while Trump did not,
Lets analyze that statement shall we. Trump's special master has given Trump a deadline to put up or shut up about the so called planted documents by the FBI story, after he was cornered with the de-classification story, Trump and his lawyers backed out of. Trump is 0 for 1 and by Friday it's going to be 0 for 2.

And we haven't even talked about the fact that Trump stole the documents, and that's a federal crime. And you want to tell us Trump did nothing wrong? What universe are you living in?
 

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When president, Trump can give classified docs to anyone he wanted, including himself.
I helpfully highlighted the keywords in your statement. Let's see if you can now figure out where you went wrong. Good luck. :itsok:
 

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"The government conducted the search in response to what it believes to be a violation of federal laws: 18 USC 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information; 18 USC 2071 — concealment, removal or mutilation; and 18 USC 1519 — destruction, alteration or falsification of records in federal investigations."

18 USC 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Hillary gathered classified documents, to include TS/SCI information, documents she did not have proper clearance to have in her possession, and had this material in her home.
(- Which the FBI never raided)

Former FBI Director comey testified under oath, asking questions from then Senator Trey Gowdy, stated Hillary Clinton did illegally send and receive classified information, means.some via UNCLASS


18 USC 1519 — destruction, alteration or falsification of records

DESTRUCTION:

Hillary Clinton illegally destroyed multiple classified devices with hammers.

FALSIFICATION / PERJURY:
According to former FBI Director Comey under oath, lied to Congress by claiming she only used 1 (one) classified device.

DESTRUCTION:

She also attempted to wipe her classified hard drive using 'Bleach Bit' (software % program)

FALSIFICATION / ALTERATION:

Hillary is on record through testimony as having ordered her staff to strip the classified marking off of classified documents and send the classified information through UNCLASS methods when her Classified FAX was not working.

This is illegally altering classified documents and illegally transmitting / sending classified information.
- By her ordering her staff to do so it proves she knew EXACTLY what she was doing, despite Former FBI Director Comey claiming she was too stupid to know she was breaking laws.


UNLIKE HILLARY:

DECLASSIFYING AGENT / DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS
Trump was President at the time and was considered a DECLASSIFYING AGENT, having the legal authority to declassify classified information, which he is on record / testimony as having done with the information he took with him.
- Hillary was a civilian at the time she took classified documents and had no authority to declassify the classified documents she had taken.

(Despite Democrats' / The DOJ's / the FBI's claim this is false, there is documented, recorded evidence that then President Trump gave a lawful Presidential order to the FBI Director Comey to declassify all records and information pertaining to the FBI's criminal CROSSFIRE HURRICANE operation against President Trump and his team, an operation that began before he became President and continued into his Presidency.

Despite receiving to declasdify AND RELEASE all CROSSFIRE HURRICANE files and information, proven criminal then FBI Director Comey DISOBEYED that direct order. Comey refused to declassify and release the information because it could implicate Comey, other FBI leadership, and FBI Agents in having committed crimes during the operation.

Going on 19 months later, FBI Director FBI Wray and the FBI continues to criminally refuse to comply with the order. In addition, Wray and the FBI continue to illegally refuse to comply with multiple FOIA Requests for the release of the information, requests filed shortly after the order to declassify and release the info.

The FBI has undeniably proven it is willing to violate lawful orders and break laws to prevent disclosing its criminal actions.

The FBI has proven to have kept classified what was ordered to be DECLASSIFIED and released.

If the FBI and DOJ refused to comply with a direct lawful Presidential order to declassify documents ... how are Anericans supposed to trust the FBI's & DOJ's claim that the documents in Trump's possession - that were seized - were not declassified by President Trump before he left office, which he had full authority to do? By denying ' claiming Trump did not classify any documents they could essentially be trying to 'frame him'.

It does not make logical sense Trump would order the declassification of CROSSFIRE HURRICANE documents but not any others.)

UNLIKE HILLARY....

President Trump did not order classified markings be stripped from classified documents, did not send and receive classified documents through Unclassified methods...

President Trump did not have an unsecured server on which he kept classified documents, did not let aides who had no proper clearance abd whose family has ties to terrorists download all of the classified information onto a personal laptop - one shared by a pedo-sexter who also did not have classification / authority to have access to this classified info...

President Trump did not attempt to destroy evidence by illegally attempting to wipe his hard river or smash multiple classified devices he said did not exist (like Hillary did)

The claims that what Trump did is somehow worse than what Hillary Clinton did is a near un-equalled, undeniable fabrication of near biblical proportions yet definitely of historic proportions.




Ridiculously false.
 

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If Hillary was acting as Obama desired, and she probably was, then she would also have been totally exempt.
Which was essentially what Comey said, that she was not following the law, but had no criminal intent.
Obama emailed Hillary on her unauthorized sever. That may be the reason Hillary got off scot-free. Obama should have told her to stop using the server but obviously lacked the cojones. However he must have known the server was a security risk. They may also have discussed classified subjects in the email.

Obama was our first black President so nothing can be allowed to damage his reputation. If Hillary goes down it would at the very least stain Obama’s reputation.


***snip***

President Obama used an undisclosed pseudonym to communicate with then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on her private email server – shocking her top aide Huma Abedin when she learned of it.

“How is that not classified?” Abedin “exclaimed” to investigators when shown a copy of the 2012 exchange between Clinton and Obama, according to a trove of 189-pages of FBI documents dumped Friday night into Clinton’s use of the private server.

After learning that the president used email with a pseudonym — apparently to try to protect his identity — Abedin asked her interrogators if she could keep a copy of the email.

The FBI documents don’t reveal if they let Abedin take a copy home with her.

Although tens of thousands of Clinton’s emails have been made public since it was revealed she had exclusively used a private email server to conduct official work, emails with the president have been exempt from disclosure.

“This exchange strongly suggests Clinton and the president knowingly discussed classified material in an unclassified setting and hence broke the law,” Raj Shah, the research director at the Republican National Committee, told the Post.
…emphasis added
 

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