How trump has lowered the bar for personal conduct.

[jc456]

You just lied again as demonstrated in post #218.

number one was closing the border and deportation. You must have been asleep.

 

[Correll]

Donald Trump’s false comments connecting Mexican immigrants and crime​

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Very reasonable. Only a crazy person hearing voices in their head, would think it not.

–Real estate mogul Donald Trump, presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

“I can never apologize for the truth. I don’t mind apologizing for things. But I can’t apologize for the truth. I said tremendous crime is coming across. Everybody knows that’s true. And it’s happening all the time. So, why, when I mention, all of a sudden I’m a racist. I’m not a racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body.”

Sounding fine again. So.... ?

A range of studies show there is no evidence immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans. In fact, first-generation immigrants are predisposed to lower crime rates than native-born Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/08/donald-trumps-false-comments-connecting-mexican-immigrants-and-crime/?_pml=1

We were reminded of his policy on apologies after his refusal to apologize for posting a racist video.

Interesting....

YOu realize that what you just did there, was reveal that you are too retarded to understand what racism is?

MEXICO is a COUNTRY. With a massive gang and drug problem. That is not a factor of GENETICS, but of political and geographical factors.


So, pointing to the drugs and crime and gangs coming across the border, from Mexico, is not a RACE thing on any level.

You are retarded.

 

[berg80]

Your inability to respect differenting political views, is your failure.

Sorry, but no. Your failure is basing your political views on misinformation and lies.

 

[Correll]

You just lied again as demonstrated in post #218.

Dude. YOu are just spamming your assertions. Assertions which you cannot defend. At all.

 

[Correll]

Sorry, but no. Your failure is basing your political views on misinformation and lies.

Yet, you are the one lying about how Trump build his base in 2016.

Trade and Immigration. Completely valid policy issues.

And you need to lie about that.

 

[berg80]

Very reasonable. Only a crazy person hearing voices in their head, would think it not.




Sounding fine again. So.... ?





Interesting....

YOu realize that what you just did there, was reveal that you are too retarded to understand what racism is?

MEXICO is a COUNTRY. With a massive gang and drug problem. That is not a factor of GENETICS, but of political and geographical factors.


So, pointing to the drugs and crime and gangs coming across the border, from Mexico, is not a RACE thing on any level.

You are retarded.

I get that you can't admit to yourself the guy you voted for has views based on racist beliefs. Maybe you can't see it because you too are a racist. That isn't clear. What is clear is you have no problem supporting a racist.

 

[Correll]

I get that you can't admit to yourself the guy you voted for has views based on racist beliefs. Maybe you can't see it because you too are a racist. That isn't clear. What is clear is you have no problem supporting a racist.

There is nothing racist about being unhappy about the drugs and gangs coming across the border.

You are a complete loon. And a race baiting asshole.

What are fentanyl deaths running at? 50k a year? And that's down from recent years.

 

[berg80]

Yet, you are the one lying about how Trump build his base in 2016.

Trade and Immigration. Completely valid policy issues.

And you need to lie about that.

I'm not disputing the base was attracted to his bigotry on immigration and his ignorance on trade. They also liked how he "told it like it is" even though most of what he said was exaggerations or lies.

 

[berg80]

There is nothing racist about being unhappy about the drugs and gangs coming across the border.

You are a complete loon. And a race baiting asshole.

What are fentanyl deaths running at? 50k a year? And that's down from recent years.

Immigration and crime levels have had inverse trajectories since the 1990s: immigration has increased, while crime has decreased. Some experts say the influx of immigrants contributed to the decrease in crime rates, by increasing the denominator while not adding significantly to the numerator.
In his July 6 statement, Trump clarified that he was referring to cases where undocumented immigrants commit violent crimes or smuggle drugs. He pointed to the recent incident in San Francisco, where an undocumented immigrant and a repeat felon who had been deported five times to Mexico was arrested on suspicion of fatally shooting a woman.

Dotard has a tendency to extrapolate from anecdotal examples as he did with the case in SF. It's how ignorant bigots roll.

 

[Correll]

I'm not disputing the base was attracted to his bigotry on immigration and his ignorance on trade. They also liked how he "told it like it is" even though most of what he said was exaggerations or lies.

Dismissing the opposition to high immigration as "bigotry" is just you being an asshole.

The fact remains. Trump built his base on solid and legitimate policy positions.

That you disagree with them is fine. That you, instead of arguing why your positions on the policies are BETTER, than maga's, choose to just cry RACISM, like an ill mannered and dim witted child, is not fine.

It is you being an asshole.

 

[Correll]

Immigration and crime levels have had inverse trajectories since the 1990s: immigration has increased, while crime has decreased. Some experts say the influx of immigrants contributed to the decrease in crime rates, by increasing the denominator while not adding significantly to the numerator.
In his July 6 statement, Trump clarified that he was referring to cases where undocumented immigrants commit violent crimes or smuggle drugs. He pointed to the recent incident in San Francisco, where an undocumented immigrant and a repeat felon who had been deported five times to Mexico was arrested on suspicion of fatally shooting a woman.

Dotard has a tendency to extrapolate from anecdotal examples as he did with the case in SF. It's how ignorant bigots roll.

That's what the "experts" say...

yet, murder is down twenty percent as Trump deports the illegals. In one year.


Question: A twenty percent drop in murder, how many black lives will that translate to saving?

 

[Mac1958]

Dotard has a tendency to extrapolate from anecdotal examples as he did with the case in SF. It's how ignorant bigots roll.

One of the primary reasons I've given up on them for normal conversation is that, when confronted with the way he does something, they will defend the issue and not the behavior. So they essentially defend something that is not being criticized while normalizing profoundly abnormal behavior. MAGA pundits do this all the time.

When I point out the literally insane way he approaches the tariff issue, for example -- constant changes, mockery, insults, threats, intimidation, trolling, random punishment -- they claim that I'm against optimizing tariffs. No, I'm criticizing the spectacularly counter-productive approach. I'm all for optimizing tariffs, and his chaos is causing great macro harm.

I don't know if they do this on purpose, or if they really don't understand how behaviors matter when dealing with intelligent people. And I've just given up.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Perhaps that wasn't phrased very well. Lowering the bar implies there is still room beneath it. Not so with trump. It isn't possible to go lower than having an adulterous affair with a porn star 4 months after your wife gave birth. Or stealing from a charity when you are a wealthy person. Who does that? Admitting to grabbing women by the ***** in the context of being accused by 26 women of sexual predation.........there's no floor under that.

So it isn't surprising to see defenders of all things Don gleefully cheer there being no revelations of him diddling any 15 year old girls in the parts of the Epstein files that have been released. Absent that, because the standard of behavior for him is in the dirt, nothing else matters.

President Donald Trump is mentioned more than 1,000 times in the 3 million Jeffrey Epstein documents released Friday, after the president initially resisted the effort. While some of the references are benign, others include newly disclosed unverified sexual assault claims against Trump as well as fresh details about how some of Epstein’s victims described their interactions with the future president.

Most notably, the newly released documents contain a list of unverified assault allegations against Trump compiled by FBI officials last year. There are also FBI notes about a woman who accused Trump in a lawsuit of raping her when she was 13, and an FBI interview with one of Epstein’s victims who stated that Epstein’s accomplice Ghislane Maxwell once “presented her” to Trump at a party.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/31/politics/new-documents-trump-epstein

trump fans will ask, "Where are the photos of him raping a 13 year old girl?" Because the act of befriending a sexual trafficker of young women and girls who had relations with under aged girls gets a pass. As does everything else. Would a trump fan like to take a swing at explaining why?

There's a gate that leads into the Washington D.C. shithole. The entry ticket? Be a complete, immoral, amoral, shallow, soulless, power-hungry, money-hungry piece of crap. That goes for the Joe Bidens of the world as well as the Donald Trumps of the world. D.C. is a witch's coven full of backstabbers, liars, cheaters, adulterers, warmongers, pedophiles, and dirtbags of every stripe. Trump cured me of ever voting again. Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still a vote cast for evil.

 

[Correll]

One of the primary reasons I've given up on them for normal conversation is that, when confronted with the way he does something, they will defend the issue and not the behavior. So they essentially defend something that is not being criticized while normalizing profoundly abnormal behavior. MAGA pundits do this all the time.

When I point out the literally insane way he approaches the tariff issue, for example -- constant changes, mockery, insults, threats, intimidation, trolling, random punishment -- they claim that I'm against optimizing tariffs. No, I'm criticizing the spectacularly counter-productive approach. I'm all for optimizing tariffs, and his chaos is causing great macro harm.

I don't know if they do this on purpose, or if they really don't understand how behaviors matter when dealing with intelligent people. And I've just given up.

That is not the process of your change as I recall it.

I recall you being pressed hard on a number of policy points that you could not defend.

As normal for humans, as shown in scientific studies, after being proved wrong, instead of changing your mind, you DOUBLED DOWN and became MORE lefty and more partisan.

Moving leftward to the increasingly standard position of refusing to engage in serious or honest discussion.

 

[berg80]

There is nothing racist about being unhappy about the drugs and gangs coming across the border.

That's true. But his characterization of Mexicans from the 2016 campaign is founded in racism.

 

[berg80]

Moving leftward to the increasingly standard position of refusing to engage in serious or honest discussion.

IRONY ALERT!

 

[berg80]

One of the primary reasons I've given up on them for normal conversation is that, when confronted with the way he does something, they will defend the issue and not the behavior. So they essentially defend something that is not being criticized while normalizing profoundly abnormal behavior. MAGA pundits do this all the time.

When I point out the literally insane way he approaches the tariff issue, for example -- constant changes, mockery, insults, threats, intimidation, trolling, random punishment -- they claim that I'm against optimizing tariffs. No, I'm criticizing the spectacularly counter-productive approach. I'm all for optimizing tariffs, and his chaos is causing great macro harm.

I don't know if they do this on purpose, or if they really don't understand how behaviors matter when dealing with intelligent people. And I've just given up.

trump exposed his idiocy on the imposition of tariffs when he threated to retaliate against European countries with massive tariffs for not supporting his desire to take over Greenland. Using them as a punitive tool, not to address trade imbalances.

It's just one example of his reckless, impetuousness makes him unfit for the job.

 

[Correll]

That's true. But his characterization of Mexicans from the 2016 campaign is founded in racism.

You choose to see it that way and have a hissy fit, so that you could avoid discussing the issue seriously or rationally.

The fact remains. Your side is for high immigration and our side is against it.


That is a valid policy dispute. YOU can't defend your position, so you have a hissy fit and call us names.

 

[Correll]

IRONY ALERT!

Nope. That you deny that this has been standard behavior on the left, is just you being a liar.

 

[DonGlock26]

Perhaps that wasn't phrased very well. Lowering the bar implies there is still room beneath it. Not so with trump. It isn't possible to go lower than having an adulterous affair with a porn star 4 months after your wife gave birth. Or stealing from a charity when you are a wealthy person. Who does that? Admitting to grabbing women by the ***** in the context of being accused by 26 women of sexual predation.........there's no floor under that.

So it isn't surprising to see defenders of all things Don gleefully cheer there being no revelations of him diddling any 15 year old girls in the parts of the Epstein files that have been released. Absent that, because the standard of behavior for him is in the dirt, nothing else matters.

President Donald Trump is mentioned more than 1,000 times in the 3 million Jeffrey Epstein documents released Friday, after the president initially resisted the effort. While some of the references are benign, others include newly disclosed unverified sexual assault claims against Trump as well as fresh details about how some of Epstein’s victims described their interactions with the future president.

Most notably, the newly released documents contain a list of unverified assault allegations against Trump compiled by FBI officials last year. There are also FBI notes about a woman who accused Trump in a lawsuit of raping her when she was 13, and an FBI interview with one of Epstein’s victims who stated that Epstein’s accomplice Ghislane Maxwell once “presented her” to Trump at a party.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/31/politics/new-documents-trump-epstein

trump fans will ask, "Where are the photos of him raping a 13 year old girl?" Because the act of befriending a sexual trafficker of young women and girls who had relations with under aged girls gets a pass. As does everything else. Would a trump fan like to take a swing at explaining why?

Didn’t Bill Clinton have sex with a 21 year old intern in the oval office and then commit perjury to cover it up?