The endless war neo-cons are coming out of the wood work

[Natural Citizen]

Same narrative, different day...

 

[HenryBHough]

Even Socialist Britian's free (freeer than in The Former United States) has noticed:

Afghanistan conflict: As Kabul falls, Biden backlash grows

Soldiers, statesmen and Afghan-Americans criticise the president - but how will the public react?

www.bbc.com

Xiden's land - no longer "America" has become the world's new surrender monkey.
France is highly pleased and relieved.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

 

[EMH]

We remember.

TNA at war with Taliban when we arrived.

Israel does not like TNA, which was armed and funded by Iran.

W flips off TNA with David frum's Axis of Evil

Taliban takes over outside of where we control, which is just Kabul and Kandahar

If wiping out Taliban is a priority now, it sure as heck was not to W.

Neither was getting "not a priority" "Osama."

But getting pat Tillman to shut up about just sitting there doing nothing with no target, that WAS A PRIORITY....

Take pat out, shoot him, and lie and claim AQ did it...

W, the WORST TRAITOR in US history

 

[pknopp]

I wonder if we could fill the board with Afghanistan threads?

 

[bodecea]

I wonder if we could fill the board with Afghanistan threads?

The Right wants endless war.

 

[ekrem]

 

[fncceo]

We remember.

TNA at war with Taliban when we arrived.

Israel does not like TNA, which was armed and funded by Iran.

W flips off TNA with David frum's Axis of Evil

Taliban takes over outside of where we control, which is just Kabul and Kandahar

If wiping out Taliban is a priority now, it sure as heck was not to W.

Neither was getting "not a priority" "Osama."

But getting pat Tillman to shut up about just sitting there doing nothing with no target, that WAS A PRIORITY....

Take pat out, shoot him, and lie and claim AQ did it...

W, the WORST TRAITOR in US history

If I started a thread about raising prize cabbages, could you make it about Jews?

Would that even be a challenge for you? Or could you do it without breaking a sweat?

 

[kyzr]

Trey Gowdy (FXN) just whined about America "keeping its word"?! WTF??
Maybe he and Liz Cheney went to the same stupid "neocon-bullshit" schools?

I remember when Turkey told Trump to get US troops out of their way because they were going to make a 20-mile buffer by clearing out those pesky Kurds from its border.
Well all hell broke loose when Trump told the Army to get the fuck out of Turkey's way. The Army whined but did, and no US servicemen were injured or killed.
Then the whiners whined about "abandoning Kurdish allies" or some such nonsense, and Trump managed to patch things up with the Kurds by giving them Syrian oil fields, win-win.

My point is that "honor" or your "word" has a time and place, and some times reality needs to govern, we just can't keep throwing money and lives away.
I don't recall the US making ANY guarantees to AFG that we would stay there forever?
The neocons whining about "abandoning allies", or "no one will ever be our ally again", or "keeping our word", are simply wrong.
Money talks and bullshit walks. The US is a business, not a charity, and not a police force.
I agree with leaving AFG, but the way Xiden did it was stupid, and he needs to be embarrassed about how stupid and wrong his plan was.

 

[pknopp]

What did we promise? To makes Afghanistan the 51st state? We installed a new government. We spent billions training their army. It seems they aren't interested.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The Right wants endless war.

What exactly is "the right"?

Or "the left", for that matter.

Seems like a very trivial, empty approach to discussion.

 

[fncceo]

My point is that "honor" or your "word" has a time and place, and some times reality needs to govern

In order to have any claim of a moral right to rule ... there has to be at least some expectation you will keep your word.

That being said, honor isn't just keeping your word... honor is not giving your word when you know you can't or won't keep it.

Instead of rushing in, over, and over, to prop up some dictator in some far flung land, it's time to do the honorable thing and let people sort out their own lives.

 

[kyzr]

What exactly is "the right"?

Or "the left", for that matter.

Seems like a very trivial, empty approach to discussion.

I think she means "neocons" like Liz Cheney, and I'll add Trey Gowdy, and all those who don't want to leave AFG.
She may not know how small a minority neocons are?!

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I think she means "neocons" like Liz Cheney, and I'll add Trey Gowdy, and all those who don't want to leave AFG.
She may not know how small a minority neocons are?!

The people..regardless of party..are overwhelmingly tired of war. Obama should have had the guts to get out once bin Laden was killed. Period. He fell for the nation-builders bs...and so on and on it went.
It was always doomed to end ugly--wince and turn the page~

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

So.......WHY were "we" over there in the first place????

If they all want to kill each other, then let them have at it. Better for the whole world then.

 

[EMH]

If I started a thread about raising prize cabbages, could you make it about Jews?

Would that even be a challenge for you? Or could you do it without breaking a sweat?

Show us a photo of "Osama" in Saudi.

There aren't any.

Why....


Or you already knew that, which is why you resort to card tossing....


Did you cheer when Jew army Rangers shot pat Tillman and lied and claimed AQ did it....

 

[whitehall]

I don't get the point. Sleepy Joe sat around as Obama's lap dog for eight years and somehow "neo-cons" are in the spotlight when sleepy Joe's foreign policy comes crashing down.

 

[kyzr]

In order to have any claim of a moral right to rule ... there has to be at least some expectation you will keep your word.

That being said, honor isn't just keeping your word... honor is not giving your word when you know you can't or won't keep it.

Instead of rushing in, over, and over, to prop up some dictator in some far flung land, it's time to do the honorable thing and let people sort out their own lives.

1. Since when does a "moral right to rule" (whatever that means) mean you will keep your word? Trump kept most of his promises, but he lies like a rug.
There are moral rulers, and immoral rulers, some are smart, and some are dumb, but they ALL LIE. No one I can think of has a "moral right to rule". They got to be a ruler by subterfuge, or over-promising voters, or by birthright, or by a powerful corrupt political organization. No one has a "moral right to rule"

2. Honor and politicians don't belong together. I can't think of any honorable politicians. Pols always poll lower than dog shit.

3. The solution to terrorism is killing terrorists, not surrounding them with a propped-up "democracy" hoping that they control the terrorists.
What is "honorable" about letting other countries fend for themselves? Guatamala, Honduras, Cuba, NK, Somalia, and Yemen come to mind,

 

[kyzr]

So.......WHY were "we" over there in the first place????

If they all want to kill each other, then let them have at it. Better for the whole world then.

We were there because OBL was there with Al Qaeda, hiding in the Tora Bora mountains.
The AFGs let him escape, I know, hard to imagine. So we stayed there to be sure Al Qaeda didn't attack the US again.

Terrorists don't want to kill each other, that's the problem. Iran is terrorism and oil central. AFG is heroin and terrorism central. Somehow we're keeping the terrorists at bay somehow, but now that AFG is run by the Taliban, things will get a lot worse. Remember the guy who tried to blow up his plane by lighting his shoe?

 

[JoeB131]

Funny that all the conservatives who turned into a Hippy Drum Circle last year when Trump Sold Out the Kurds are suddenly all war hawks when Biden decides that Afghanistan isn't worth another 20 years of war.