The Divorce Settlement

[Sunshine]

On the first day, he sadly packed his belongings

into boxes, crates and suitcases.



On the second day, he had the movers come and collect his things.



On the third day, he sat down for the last time at their beautiful
dining-room table, by candle-light; he put on some soft background music,
and feasted on a pound of shrimp, a jar of caviar, and a bottle of
spring-water.



When he'd finished, he went into each and every room and deposited a few
half-eaten shrimps dipped in caviar into the hollow center of the curtain
rods.



He then cleaned up the kitchen and left.



On the fourth day, the wife came back with her new boyfriend, and at first
all was bliss.



Then, slowly, the house began to smell.



They tried everything; cleaning, mopping, and airing-out the place.



Vents were checked for dead rodents, and carpets were steam cleaned.



Air fresheners were hung everywhere. Exterminators were brought in to set
off gas canisters, during which time the two had to move out for a few days,
and in the end they even paid to replace the expensive wool carpeting.
Nothing worked!People stopped coming over to visit.



Repairmen refused to work in the house.The maid quit.



Finally, they couldn't take the stench any longer, and decided

they had to move, but a month later - even though they'd cut

their price in half - they couldn't find a buyer for such a stinky house.



Word got out, and eventually even the local realtors refused to

return their calls.



Finally, unable to wait any longer for a purchaser, they had to borrow a
huge sum of money from the bank to purchase a new place.



Then the ex called the woman and asked how things were going. She told him
the saga of the rotting house. He listened politely and said that he missed
his old home terribly and would be willing to reduce his divorce settlement
in exchange for having the house.



Knowing he could have no idea how bad the smell really was, she agreed on a
price that was only 1/10 nth of what the house had been worth ... but only
if he would sign the papers that very day.



He agreed, and within two hours her lawyers delivered the completed
paperwork.



A week later the woman and her boyfriend stood smiling as they watched the
moving company pack everything to take to their new home ...



and just to spite the ex-husband, they even took the curtain rods !!!



I LOVE A HAPPY ENDING, DON'T YOU...?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

My best friend sent me this story some time ago and I was amazed by it, Sunshine. I have found a common theme concerning adulterers and their mistresses. When the adulterer divorces the wife and marries the mistress - financial ruin isn't too far behind. Neither is liver cancer evidently. I remember a John Bevere meeting in which he said he was praying for men who had repented of adultery at a camp meeting. He said of the 40 something men who came to him for prayer almost every single one of them had been diagnosed with liver cancer.

Is there something to it? I don't know. But Proverbs says those who succumb to the adultress will have their liver pierced as by an arrow. ( Prov. 7:23) I'd say cancer describes an arrow to the liver because it's deadly. I'd worry about that more than a vengeful wife with a curtain rod full of shrimp!

 

[Rat in the Hat]

On the first day, he sadly packed his belongings

into boxes, crates and suitcases.



On the second day, he had the movers come and collect his things.



On the third day, he sat down for the last time at their beautiful
dining-room table, by candle-light; he put on some soft background music,
and feasted on a pound of shrimp, a jar of caviar, and a bottle of
spring-water.



When he'd finished, he went into each and every room and deposited a few
half-eaten shrimps dipped in caviar into the hollow center of the curtain
rods.



He then cleaned up the kitchen and left.



On the fourth day, the wife came back with her new boyfriend, and at first
all was bliss.



Then, slowly, the house began to smell.



They tried everything; cleaning, mopping, and airing-out the place.



Vents were checked for dead rodents, and carpets were steam cleaned.



Air fresheners were hung everywhere. Exterminators were brought in to set
off gas canisters, during which time the two had to move out for a few days,
and in the end they even paid to replace the expensive wool carpeting.
Nothing worked!People stopped coming over to visit.



Repairmen refused to work in the house.The maid quit.



Finally, they couldn't take the stench any longer, and decided

they had to move, but a month later - even though they'd cut

their price in half - they couldn't find a buyer for such a stinky house.



Word got out, and eventually even the local realtors refused to

return their calls.



Finally, unable to wait any longer for a purchaser, they had to borrow a
huge sum of money from the bank to purchase a new place.



Then the ex called the woman and asked how things were going. She told him
the saga of the rotting house. He listened politely and said that he missed
his old home terribly and would be willing to reduce his divorce settlement
in exchange for having the house.



Knowing he could have no idea how bad the smell really was, she agreed on a
price that was only 1/10 nth of what the house had been worth ... but only
if he would sign the papers that very day.



He agreed, and within two hours her lawyers delivered the completed
paperwork.



A week later the woman and her boyfriend stood smiling as they watched the
moving company pack everything to take to their new home ...



and just to spite the ex-husband, they even took the curtain rods !!!



I LOVE A HAPPY ENDING, DON'T YOU...?

​

Sent from my white iPhone. I got rid of the black one because it wouldn't work.

 

[Sunshine]

My best friend sent me this story some time ago and I was amazed by it, Sunshine. I have found a common theme concerning adulterers and their mistresses. When the adulterer divorces the wife and marries the mistress - financial ruin isn't too far behind. Neither is liver cancer evidently. I remember a John Bevere meeting in which he said he was praying for men who had repented of adultery at a camp meeting. He said of the 40 something men who came to him for prayer almost every single one of them had been diagnosed with liver cancer.

Is there something to it? I don't know. But Proverbs says those who succumb to the adultress will have their liver pierced as by an arrow. ( Prov. 7:23) I'd say cancer describes an arrow to the liver because it's deadly. I'd worry about that more than a vengeful wife with a curtain rod full of shrimp!

There must be some exception for Hollywood!

 

[rightwinger]

snopes.com: Seafood Sewn into Curtains

 

[Sunshine]

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1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:

5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.

6 For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,

7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,

9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:

10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.

11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,

14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.

15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.

16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.

17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.

18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.

19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:

20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;

23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.

24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.

25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.

27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

WOW! How have I missed that one all these years!

That's really an interesting proverb, Jeri. Many partners. Hepatitis B, an illness spread through sexual contact? Hep B, a killer in its own right, does also predispose one to liver cancer.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

snopes.com: Seafood Sewn into Curtains

Which is probably why she put this in humor instead of current events.



Sent from my white iPhone. I got rid of the black one because it wouldn't work.

 

[Sunshine]

snopes.com: Seafood Sewn into Curtains

It's a joke. Didn't you notice it was in the "Humor" forum.

 

[Sunshine]

snopes.com: Seafood sewn into curtains

which is probably why she put this in humor instead of current events.



Sent from my white iphone. I got rid of the black one because it wouldn't work.

When all else fails at them.

 

[rightwinger]

snopes.com: Seafood Sewn into Curtains

It's a joke. Didn't you notice it was in the "Humor" forum.

I realize that......just posting some variations

 

[Sunshine]

snopes.com: Seafood Sewn into Curtains

It's a joke. Didn't you notice it was in the "Humor" forum.

I realize that......just posting some variations

Not a good save. You should have just let it lie there.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

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1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:

5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.

6 For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,

7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,

9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:

10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.

11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,

14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.

15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.

16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.

17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.

18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.

19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:

20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;

23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.

24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.

25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.

27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

That's really an interesting proverb, Jeri. Many partners. Hepatitis B, an illness spread through sexual contact?

I know. I didn't think about it much until I considered maybe it wasn't a coincidence. Maybe these men are actually incurring the consequences for not heeding that warning - many strong men have been slain by her seems to denote men in their youth. I should do a word study on it and see where it goes.

- Jeri

 

[High_Gravity]

On the first day, he sadly packed his belongings

into boxes, crates and suitcases.



On the second day, he had the movers come and collect his things.



On the third day, he sat down for the last time at their beautiful
dining-room table, by candle-light; he put on some soft background music,
and feasted on a pound of shrimp, a jar of caviar, and a bottle of
spring-water.



When he'd finished, he went into each and every room and deposited a few
half-eaten shrimps dipped in caviar into the hollow center of the curtain
rods.



He then cleaned up the kitchen and left.



On the fourth day, the wife came back with her new boyfriend, and at first
all was bliss.



Then, slowly, the house began to smell.



They tried everything; cleaning, mopping, and airing-out the place.



Vents were checked for dead rodents, and carpets were steam cleaned.



Air fresheners were hung everywhere. Exterminators were brought in to set
off gas canisters, during which time the two had to move out for a few days,
and in the end they even paid to replace the expensive wool carpeting.
Nothing worked!People stopped coming over to visit.



Repairmen refused to work in the house.The maid quit.



Finally, they couldn't take the stench any longer, and decided

they had to move, but a month later - even though they'd cut

their price in half - they couldn't find a buyer for such a stinky house.



Word got out, and eventually even the local realtors refused to

return their calls.



Finally, unable to wait any longer for a purchaser, they had to borrow a
huge sum of money from the bank to purchase a new place.



Then the ex called the woman and asked how things were going. She told him
the saga of the rotting house. He listened politely and said that he missed
his old home terribly and would be willing to reduce his divorce settlement
in exchange for having the house.



Knowing he could have no idea how bad the smell really was, she agreed on a
price that was only 1/10 nth of what the house had been worth ... but only
if he would sign the papers that very day.



He agreed, and within two hours her lawyers delivered the completed
paperwork.



A week later the woman and her boyfriend stood smiling as they watched the
moving company pack everything to take to their new home ...



and just to spite the ex-husband, they even took the curtain rods !!!



I LOVE A HAPPY ENDING, DON'T YOU...?

 

[Sunshine]

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Proverbs Chapter 7
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1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.

4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:

5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.

6 For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,

7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,

9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:

10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.

11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,

14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.

15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.

16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.

17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.

18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.

19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:

20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;

23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.

24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.

25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.

27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

That's really an interesting proverb, Jeri. Many partners. Hepatitis B, an illness spread through sexual contact?

I know. I didn't think about it much until I considered maybe it wasn't a coincidence. Maybe these men are actually incurring the consequences for not heeding that warning - many strong men have been slain by her seems to denote men in their youth. I should do a word study on it and see where it goes.
- Jeri

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

This proverb is written by a person observing the woman from the window of his home.

In that day they didn't have the knowledge of diseases that we have today. Germ theory was millennia away. I can see how they would surmise it to be the behavior that caused it rather than a disease being transmitted. Of course without the behavior no disease transmission. Even so, it is remarkable that they noted a pattern.

I think that proverb is a bit contradictory. One line says she 'forced' him. The next says he willingly followed her. But then that is typical middle eastern thinking regarding women in general.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

That's really an interesting proverb, Jeri. Many partners. Hepatitis B, an illness spread through sexual contact?

I know. I didn't think about it much until I considered maybe it wasn't a coincidence. Maybe these men are actually incurring the consequences for not heeding that warning - many strong men have been slain by her seems to denote men in their youth. I should do a word study on it and see where it goes.
- Jeri

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

This proverb is written by a person observing the woman from the window of his home.

In that day they didn't have the knowledge of diseases that we have today. Germ theory was millennia away. I can see how they would surmise it to be the behavior that caused it rather than a disease being transmitted. Of course without the behavior no disease transmission. Even so, it is remarkable that they noted a pattern.

I think that proverb is a bit contradictory. One line says she 'forced' him. The next says he willingly followed her. But then that is typical middle eastern thinking regarding women in general.

The person who wrote the proverb was King Solomon. His gift of wisdom was divine in that it was a gift he received after a request in relation to his duty to be a leader. There are layers to Proverbs which are like precious gems all buried one atop the other. I am convinced Proverbs is the key to many hidden things and later we'll learn the answers were quite literal. Throughout it are keys to health, success, life, it is all there.

I read she caused him to yield with her many flattering words . . . is that what you refer to? That would not be a contradiction in that if he were here he would say she caused me to yield - it's merely stating that he blames her - as the reason he followed her. Had he listened to Wisdom he would have taken another path altogether. ( and lived )

 

[Sunshine]

I know. I didn't think about it much until I considered maybe it wasn't a coincidence. Maybe these men are actually incurring the consequences for not heeding that warning - many strong men have been slain by her seems to denote men in their youth. I should do a word study on it and see where it goes.
- Jeri

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

This proverb is written by a person observing the woman from the window of his home.

In that day they didn't have the knowledge of diseases that we have today. Germ theory was millennia away. I can see how they would surmise it to be the behavior that caused it rather than a disease being transmitted. Of course without the behavior no disease transmission. Even so, it is remarkable that they noted a pattern.

I think that proverb is a bit contradictory. One line says she 'forced' him. The next says he willingly followed her. But then that is typical middle eastern thinking regarding women in general.

The person who wrote the proverb was King Solomon. His gift of wisdom was divine in that it was a gift he received after a request in relation to his duty to be a leader. There are layers to Proverbs which are like precious gems all buried one atop the other. I am convinced Proverbs is the key to many hidden things and later we'll learn the answers were quite literal. Throughout it are keys to health, success, life, it is all there.

I read she caused him to yield with her many flattering words . . . is that what you refer to? That would not be a contradiction in that if he were here he would say she caused me to yield - it's merely stating that he blames her - as the reason he followed her. Had he listened to Wisdom he would have taken another path altogether. ( and lived )

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

I was referring to this line which uses the word 'forced.'

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

Of course men have been blaming women for their behavior since the first man. If Adam was incapable of resisting, then there would be no need for salvation because man would have been defective from the start. But my take is that man(kind) was made perfect by God to live in the Garden of Eden for eternity but chose to disobey God, and therefore needed a Redeemer.

Romans 5:12

King James Version (KJV)


12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I must admit when it comes to Solomon's writing, I have been more a fan of Ecclesiastes than Proverbs. No doubt Proverbs displays his incredible powers of observation regarding human behavior. Whereas, Ecclesiastes shows the inherent futility of life and mankind's place in the scheme of things.

According to Genesis woman was 'deceived.' Nowhere does it say man was deceived. I don't care much for the apostle Paul, but he somewhat redeems himself in my eyes with the above.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

This proverb is written by a person observing the woman from the window of his home.

In that day they didn't have the knowledge of diseases that we have today. Germ theory was millennia away. I can see how they would surmise it to be the behavior that caused it rather than a disease being transmitted. Of course without the behavior no disease transmission. Even so, it is remarkable that they noted a pattern.

I think that proverb is a bit contradictory. One line says she 'forced' him. The next says he willingly followed her. But then that is typical middle eastern thinking regarding women in general.

The person who wrote the proverb was King Solomon. His gift of wisdom was divine in that it was a gift he received after a request in relation to his duty to be a leader. There are layers to Proverbs which are like precious gems all buried one atop the other. I am convinced Proverbs is the key to many hidden things and later we'll learn the answers were quite literal. Throughout it are keys to health, success, life, it is all there.

I read she caused him to yield with her many flattering words . . . is that what you refer to? That would not be a contradiction in that if he were here he would say she caused me to yield - it's merely stating that he blames her - as the reason he followed her. Had he listened to Wisdom he would have taken another path altogether. ( and lived )

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

I was referring to this line which uses the word 'forced.'

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

Of course men have been blaming women for their behavior since the first man. If Adam was incapable of resisting, then there would be no need for salvation because man would have been defective from the start. But my take is that man(kind) was made perfect by God to live in the Garden of Eden for eternity but chose to disobey God, and therefore needed a Redeemer.

Romans 5:12

King James Version (KJV)


12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I must admit when it comes to Solomon's writing, I have been more a fan of Ecclesiastes than Proverbs. No doubt Proverbs displays his incredible powers of observation regarding human behavior. Whereas, Ecclesiastes shows the inherent futility of life and mankind's place in the scheme of things.

According to Genesis woman was 'deceived.' Nowhere does it say man was deceived. I don't care much for the apostle Paul, but he somewhat redeems himself in my eyes with the above.

Ecclesiastes depresses me. Proverbs enlightens and empowers me. ( my exper. )

There is nothing new under the sun concerning a woman forcing a man by her use of flattery. That is why flattery is considered a sin. It's a tool of manipulators. They flatter while they are working behind your back to destroy you. The adultress is by nature a manipulator and Solomon is making the point that listening to her will lead to death.

If you read Genesis you'll find Eve wasn't created when God told Adam about the tree. God told Adam about the tree, not Eve. Eve was no match for the subtilty of satan. She should not have entered into a discussion with the serpent. She and Adam had been given dominion over all created things including that serpent. She didn't use her authority so satan took it from her and used it against her. That is what happens when we don't use the authority we've been given. It can get used against us.

I'm wondering why you don't care for Paul? - Jeri

 

[Sunshine]

The person who wrote the proverb was King Solomon. His gift of wisdom was divine in that it was a gift he received after a request in relation to his duty to be a leader. There are layers to Proverbs which are like precious gems all buried one atop the other. I am convinced Proverbs is the key to many hidden things and later we'll learn the answers were quite literal. Throughout it are keys to health, success, life, it is all there.

I read she caused him to yield with her many flattering words . . . is that what you refer to? That would not be a contradiction in that if he were here he would say she caused me to yield - it's merely stating that he blames her - as the reason he followed her. Had he listened to Wisdom he would have taken another path altogether. ( and lived )

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

I was referring to this line which uses the word 'forced.'

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

Of course men have been blaming women for their behavior since the first man. If Adam was incapable of resisting, then there would be no need for salvation because man would have been defective from the start. But my take is that man(kind) was made perfect by God to live in the Garden of Eden for eternity but chose to disobey God, and therefore needed a Redeemer.

Romans 5:12

King James Version (KJV)


12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I must admit when it comes to Solomon's writing, I have been more a fan of Ecclesiastes than Proverbs. No doubt Proverbs displays his incredible powers of observation regarding human behavior. Whereas, Ecclesiastes shows the inherent futility of life and mankind's place in the scheme of things.

According to Genesis woman was 'deceived.' Nowhere does it say man was deceived. I don't care much for the apostle Paul, but he somewhat redeems himself in my eyes with the above.

Ecclesiastes depresses me. Proverbs enlightens and empowers me. ( my exper. )

There is nothing new under the sun concerning a woman forcing a man by her use of flattery. That is why flattery is considered a sin. It's a tool of manipulators. They flatter while they are working behind your back to destroy you. The adultress is by nature a manipulator and Solomon is making the point that listening to her will lead to death.

If you read Genesis you'll find Eve wasn't created when God told Adam about the tree. God told Adam about the tree, not Eve. Eve was no match for the subtilty of satan. She should not have entered into a discussion with the serpent. She and Adam had been given dominion over all created things including that serpent. She didn't use her authority so satan took it from her and used it against her. That is what happens when we don't use the authority we've been given. It can get used against us.

I'm wondering why you don't care for Paul? - Jeri

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

Adam should not have left Eve alone to fight that battle with the devil. The Bible does state that Eve was 'deceived.' The serpent told her she would not surely die, that she would be like God, knowing good from evil. And what really good person would not want to know good from evil. Adam was not deceived. He knew what he was doing.

I don't care for Paul because he was a misogynist. I will say this: There are some of his writings that I do appreciate. I particularly appreciate this:

2 Timothy 2:15

King James Version (KJV)


15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Everyone should learn from the day they are born until the day they die. I believe that with all my heart. And when I couldn't afford college, I found out what my friends who could afford college were reading and I read those things. I frequented the library like a fiend, particularly the psychology section. When I worked as a staff nurse on a psych unit there was a PhD nurse professor who recruited me into the master's program. She kept saying, 'just get the piece of paper so you can make the money. They have nothing to teach you in that program, but you need the piece of paper.' And so I got the nursing masters, then the NP, and then the JD.

I think Paul's between the lines message there is that one who is willfully ignorant should be ashamed.

IMO, he book of Ecclesiastes is depressing at the start. But if you read it all through to the end in one sitting, it brings you up better than anything else in the Bible. JMO Every now and then I save time to be able to do that. Sadly, it's been a while.

 

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I was referring to this line which uses the word 'forced.'

21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.

Of course men have been blaming women for their behavior since the first man. If Adam was incapable of resisting, then there would be no need for salvation because man would have been defective from the start. But my take is that man(kind) was made perfect by God to live in the Garden of Eden for eternity but chose to disobey God, and therefore needed a Redeemer.



I must admit when it comes to Solomon's writing, I have been more a fan of Ecclesiastes than Proverbs. No doubt Proverbs displays his incredible powers of observation regarding human behavior. Whereas, Ecclesiastes shows the inherent futility of life and mankind's place in the scheme of things.

According to Genesis woman was 'deceived.' Nowhere does it say man was deceived. I don't care much for the apostle Paul, but he somewhat redeems himself in my eyes with the above.

Ecclesiastes depresses me. Proverbs enlightens and empowers me. ( my exper. )

There is nothing new under the sun concerning a woman forcing a man by her use of flattery. That is why flattery is considered a sin. It's a tool of manipulators. They flatter while they are working behind your back to destroy you. The adultress is by nature a manipulator and Solomon is making the point that listening to her will lead to death.

If you read Genesis you'll find Eve wasn't created when God told Adam about the tree. God told Adam about the tree, not Eve. Eve was no match for the subtilty of satan. She should not have entered into a discussion with the serpent. She and Adam had been given dominion over all created things including that serpent. She didn't use her authority so satan took it from her and used it against her. That is what happens when we don't use the authority we've been given. It can get used against us.

I'm wondering why you don't care for Paul? - Jeri

[MENTION=40845]Jeremiah[/MENTION]

Adam should not have left Eve alone to fight that battle with the devil. The Bible does state that Eve was 'deceived.' The serpent told her she would not surely die, that she would be like God, knowing good from evil. And what really good person would not want to know good from evil. Adam was not deceived. He knew what he was doing.

I don't care for Paul because he was a misogynist. I will say this: There are some of his writings that I do appreciate. I particularly appreciate this:

2 Timothy 2:15

King James Version (KJV)


15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Everyone should learn from the day they are born until the day they die. I believe that with all my heart. And when I couldn't afford college, I found out what my friends who could afford college were reading and I read those things. I frequented the library like a fiend, particularly the psychology section. When I worked as a staff nurse on a psych unit there was a PhD nurse professor who recruited me into the master's program. She kept saying, 'just get the piece of paper so you can make the money. They have nothing to teach you in that program, but you need the piece of paper.' And so I got the nursing masters, then the NP, and then the JD.

I think Paul's between the lines message there is that one who is willfully ignorant should be ashamed.

IMO, he book of Ecclesiastes is depressing at the start. But if you read it all through to the end in one sitting, it brings you up better than anything else in the Bible. JMO Every now and then I save time to be able to do that. Sadly, it's been a while.

I'm impressed by your passion to learn, Sunshine. It has taken you far. Your story reminds me of my early years after accepting Christ - I wanted to go to bible school but could not. I was a single parent working a very labor intensive job and there was no chance of my going. My girlfriend went and ended up earning a phd. She graduated from Kenneth Hagin's Rhema Bible College and continued her education for many years. She sent me all of her school books and I studied those books until I broke the bindings. I studied the Torah for about fifteen years before I studied the New Testament. ( on my own ) On Ecclesiastes - it's not my favorite book. Song of Solomon ministers to me more than any other book in the bible. I used to think that book does not belong in there - someone made a mistake! Many years later I realized its about relationship. Unlocking why we must often wait, why we go through what we go through, why God seems to hide from us at times ( He does actually ) and what loss can come about through our own carelessness.

I've got a story for you:

I once knew a woman - a neighbor - who had the saddest life I've ever heard of a person having. She had an abusive husband who was the pastor of a church - he used to beat her up - she had a child with him and when she wanted to leave he arranged to take custody of the child and have his mother raise it! He was able to do this because she had occasion to have seizures. She had been beaten up terribly on a schoolyard as a child - afterwards she had a head injury the seizures began.

This woman was very childlike in her innocence - she was incredibly kind and she told me her mother had a very close relationship to God before dying of cancer. I was deeply distressed over this woman and her story. She was permitted by the ex mother in law to sneak down to south fla to see her son occasionally but the ex husband was unaware of this arrangement. Finally on the boys 18th birthday he had arrived by bus to stay with his mother for a summer vacation. She had been looking forward to this moment for so many years.......

The day he arrived she said she saw him get off the bus and her heart leaped knowing he was all hers for a summer! As he crossed over the street towards her a car came out of nowhere and struck him dead in an instant. He had brought with him beautiful classical music in a box for her. She kept the box for years and after telling me the story she gave me the box of music. It was the most beautiful music. She told me after her son died she was in her kitchen one day feeling a deep loneliness and sorrow. She said she looked up to the window and through the lattice which was attached outside the window she saw the face of Jesus looking at her and his love and compassion swept over her -she knew she had seen the LORD. The story of the lattice is in the scriptures of Solomon and this woman encountered the Lover of our Souls in just that way. It just left me speechless.

Add to this the woman had still not accepted Christ and it would be some years after that when she did decide her husband had in no way represented God by keeping her beloved son from her all those years. The healing process was slow for her but she did come through it and I've not seen many souls as pure in heart as she was.

On the subject of Paul.. you say it is his in between the lines message that he should be ashamed of - what are you reading? Are you referring to his teaching on women being silent in the church?

I will read Ecclesiastes as you recommended. You should give Song of Solomon a read too and see if that doesn't sweep you right off your feet.

- J.

 

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Adam should have been there. I agree with you on that one.. Eve was no match for the subtility of Satan. Thank God we could depend on the second Adam to do what the first one didn't.