The Did Obama Commit Treason Thread and Poll

[BlindBoo]

Where is the part about Trump colluding with the Russians?

What is the punishment for the crime of collusion?

There was never an investigation into collusion. If that were the case then the Trump campaign is guilty as hell of collusion. What Mueller investigated was a criminal conspiracy. Mueller concluded he didn't find enough evidence of a criminal conspiracy not that there was no collusion or that there wasn't some evidence of a criminal conspiracy.

 

[alang1216]

An anonymous whistleblower named James Clapper who claimed Obama told them to change the intel to claim that Russia DID interfere?

That anonymous whistleblower?

Nope, must be someone else.

• There have been claims, notably by some in the Trump administration and a recent report by DNI Tulsi Gabbard, that Obama administration officials "manufactured" or manipulated intelligence to create the Russian interference narrative.
• These claims often cite internal communications related to Obama's request for an assessment of the "tools Moscow used and actions it took to influence the 2016 election" as evidence of pressure to alter conclusions, according to The New York Times.
• Clapper strongly refutes these accusations, calling them "ridiculous" and "untrue".

In essence, James Clapper affirmed the intelligence community's finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and that the Obama administration sought an assessment of this interference. He did not claim that Obama told intelligence officials to change their findings to falsely assert Russian interference. He did, however, express his personal belief that Russia's actions likely affected the election outcome.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Sorry, but what does that have to do with anything? Collusion was never alleged in the intelligence report that is the source of Gabbard's accusation.

Again, the ICA from January 2017 did not say anything about Trump colluding with the Russians, so it's not part of any investigation into the ICA.

It is now.

 

[Marener]

It is now.

What do you mean by "it is now"?

 

[AntonToo]

What do you mean by "it is now"?

He means collusion has to have something to do with ICA, otherwise the house of cards in his head can't stand.

Doesn't matter that it's just a half-baked conflation, house of cards maintenance is more important.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Nope, must be someone else.

• There have been claims, notably by some in the Trump administration and a recent report by DNI Tulsi Gabbard, that Obama administration officials "manufactured" or manipulated intelligence to create the Russian interference narrative.
• These claims often cite internal communications related to Obama's request for an assessment of the "tools Moscow used and actions it took to influence the 2016 election" as evidence of pressure to alter conclusions, according to The New York Times.
• Clapper strongly refutes these accusations, calling them "ridiculous" and "untrue".

In essence, James Clapper affirmed the intelligence community's finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and that the Obama administration sought an assessment of this interference. He did not claim that Obama told intelligence officials to change their findings to falsely assert Russian interference. He did, however, express his personal belief that Russia's actions likely affected the election outcome.

Clapper already said he is lawyering up. He expects to be charged

 

[Marener]

He means collusion has to have something to do with it, otherwise the house of cards in his head can't stand.

This is a master class in "conflating" topics.

Gabbard conflated hacking the DNC with hacking election infrastructure as though they were the same thing. Totally dishonest.

They conflated the Steele Report with the rest of the ICA and implied that it was used to reach conclusions despite the ICA specifically saying that it wasn't used.

It's just all tossed into a pot and turned into the same bullshit stew.

 

[sartre play]

I couldn't agree more.

Trump Calls On Congress To Pass The “Take It Down” Act—So He Can Censor His Critics​

Here’s what Trump said to a joint session of Congress:

If this is true, then freedom of speech is dead.

 

[Lesh]

It would be funny as **** for him to now claim that as a defense.

Sarcasm is not your thing huh…

 

[AntonToo]

This is a master class in "conflating" topics.

Gabbard conflated hacking the DNC with hacking election infrastructure as though they were the same thing. Totally dishonest.

They conflated the Steele Report with the rest of the ICA and implied that it was used to reach conclusions despite the ICA specifically saying that it wasn't used.

It's just all tossed into a pot and turned into the same bullshit stew.

From my experience those are the innards of a typical nutter brain.

They are usually really bad at basic analysis and take info in meme sized bits and pieces that are then compartmentalized for specific conclusions that appeal to their political feelings.

Gabbard and Trump know their target market.

 

[sartre play]

The Obama RATS are squirming. The shoe is on the other foot now isn't it and Trump is out for REVENGE!!!

Excuse me! A PRESIDENT out for revenge, Not a good look.

 

[Winco]

Demonstrate they are lies Fort Fun Indiana

GO!

Oh Simp,

The onus is on Gabbard and the cult to PROVE the allegations.

Geez, you should know that by now.

 

[Marener]

A big red flag is Gabbard discussing hacking.

She says that the Obama intelligence concluded Russia couldn't hack election infrastructure to change the votes.

That's true.

Then she's outraged when the Obama administration said that Russia hacked the DNC to influence the election.

That's also true.

However, Gabbard pretends as though this is some kind of contradiction. She claims that "hacking" was impossible, so how can you say that Russia was hacking?

It's bullshit of course, because she doesn't differentiate the two very different ways of hacking. It's such bullshit, that it could be categorized as a lie.

 

[BlindBoo]

A big red flag is Gabbard discussing hacking.

She says that the Obama intelligence concluded Russia couldn't hack election infrastructure to change the votes.

That's true.

Then she's outraged when the Obama administration said that Russia hacked the DNC to influence the election.

That's also true.

However, Gabbard pretends as though this is some kind of contradiction. She claims that "hacking" was impossible, so how can you say that Russia was hacking?

It's bullshit of course, because she doesn't differentiate the two very different ways of hacking. It's such bullshit, that it could be categorized as a lie.

The GOP really fucked America when they rubberstamped all the Moroonies Trumpybear nominated for his Kiss Ass Cabinet.

She really is a Maroonie too.

The DNC was Phished and a dumb ass took the little worm on the hook.....

 

[hadit]

You can’t convict someone born in Kenya of treason

Only American citizens

Which way are you calling it? The Fragile One was born in Kenya and therefore not a valid president or he was born in Hawaii and thus can be convicted?

 

[BluesLegend]

Excuse me! A PRESIDENT out for revenge, Not a good look.

Why wouldn't we get REVENGE on traitor Democrats. We have wiped out entire countries for killing a fraction of the Americans Democrats killed with their invasion of 15 million illegals. Democrats are lucky to still be breathing.

 

[rightwinger]

Which way are you calling it? The Fragile One was born in Kenya and therefore not a valid president or he was born in Hawaii and thus can be convicted?

Yup you caught us
MAGA was right, Obama’s mother snuck off to Kenya to have a baby because the hospitals are so good and snuck him back to Hawaii

Sucks being you

 

[MarathonMike]

Maybe treason is picking your nose. It's bad, it's disgusting, very un-presidential...why not treason?

It's not like words have legal meanings.

treason

www.law.cornell.edu

And Obama's grand abuse of power was to let the world know after the election that Russians criminaly interfered (which they of course did) and they did it against Hillary, to Trump campaign's benefit (which they of course did)

That bastard, how dare his administration spread the truth of the matter. That is soooo criminal.

If you are going to comment on Obama's orchestration of the Russian Collusion Hoax, do some research on the facts and not just what MSNBC spoon feeds you.

 

[hadit]

Yup you caught us
MAGA was right, Obama’s mother snuck off to Kenya to have a baby because the hospitals are so good and snuck him back to Hawaii

Sucks being you

Okay, so you're solidly in the camp that The Fragile One's terms are invalid and every law he signed is cancelled as well as every pardon and everything else he signed. Have fun with that.

 

[AntonToo]

If you are going to comment on Obama's orchestration of the Russian Collusion Hoax, do some research on the facts and not just what MSNBC spoon feeds you.

I've been discussing this topic in depth on this board since 2016.

What the **** is it you think you know about the facts that I supposedly don't?

FBI opened it's counter-intelligence investigation based on Papadopoulos (Trump campaign member) lying to them about his knowledge of Russians having Clinton's hacked emails.

Trump's FBI director Comey revealed to Congress that Trump campaign is being investigated in March 2017, during Trump administration.

Trump's DOJ IG concluded in 2019 that this investigation was properly predicated and conducted without political bias.

What does that have to do with Obama? Nothing.