The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[teddyearp]

I know the Palestinians like to portray themselves as the "eternal victims" but they are not.

And the Jews don't do that do they?

Or, perhaps, you believe that Jews are "eternal victims"?

Now now, Humanity, try not to get caught up in 'the fray' here.

Of course, I should look at the plank sticking out of my eye before I complain about the speck in yours.

 

[teddyearp]

The point is they can't face how well things are going for Israel so they start whining about land that was Ottoman territory for the last 700 years, <snip>

Which reminds me of the thread I started about the Pasha. You all know. The one who drug the Ottoman empire into WWI.

I see again and again how inconvenient that truth is to the Pro-Palestinian crowd here. That is why that thread never gained any traction. Because in some ways, it totally destroys the whole 'narrative'.

Why? Because the Pasha was a Muslim. How inconvenient!

 

[Roudy]

More...WINNING!

Pro-Palestinian resolution from New Orleans City Council creates backlash

Pro-Palestinian resolution from New Orleans City Council creates backlash

Mayor Mitch Landrieu, in a statement later Friday, said the resolution was "ill advised, gratuitous and does not reflect the policy of the city of New Orleans..."

 

[Humanity]

I know the Palestinians like to portray themselves as the "eternal victims" but they are not.

And the Jews don't do that do they?

Or, perhaps, you believe that Jews are "eternal victims"?

Now now, Humanity, try not to get caught up in 'the fray' here.

Of course, I should look at the plank sticking out of my eye before I complain about the speck in yours.

Oh come on Teddy... You knows I is only jestin'

Too much wood around these parts... Think I need to get an eye wash!

In all seriousness, I do find it 'funny' how the word "victim" gets thrown around as some kind of justification.

Oh and to prove your plank is bigger than my plank!!

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

May that day never arrive . . . for on that day -- heaven forfend -- the whole world dies

 

[Roudy]

It's not going to stop internet jihadis to masturbate mentally five times a day to the demise of Israel. Meanwhile Israel keeps moving forward and keeps winning!

 

[P F Tinmore]

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

So then, where does Palestine leave off and Israel begin?

Israel is there, on the ground. The only place Palestine is a nation is in your imagination.

Some people did not get Israel's goofy memo.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Israel is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are asking the wrong question...

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

So then, where does Palestine leave off and Israel begin?

(COMMENT)

"Palestinian Self-Determination" is a case of: Where do the Palestinian's (their Government) maintain border controls and declare sovereign rights?

IF the boundaries of Palestinian are intangible or illusionary, THEN no Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The demise of Israel is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are asking the wrong question...

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

So then, where does Palestine leave off and Israel begin?

(COMMENT)

"Palestinian Self-Determination" is a case of: Where do the Palestinian's (their Government) maintain border controls and declare sovereign rights?

IF the boundaries of Palestinian are intangible or illusionary, THEN no Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has international borders that have not changed since 1922.

 

[fncceo]

More...WINNING!

Pro-Palestinian resolution from New Orleans City Council creates backlash

Pro-Palestinian resolution from New Orleans City Council creates backlash

Mayor Mitch Landrieu, in a statement later Friday, said the resolution was "ill advised, gratuitous and does not reflect the policy of the city of New Orleans..."

Funny... I seem to remember a couple of individuals here swear that American Jews were anti-Israel.

So... how could this happen?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: The demise of Israel is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are asking the wrong question...

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

So then, where does Palestine leave off and Israel begin?

(COMMENT)

"Palestinian Self-Determination" is a case of: Where do the Palestinian's (their Government) maintain border controls and declare sovereign rights?

IF the boundaries of Palestinian are intangible or illusionary, THEN no Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has international borders that have not changed since 1922.

And yet, still not a nation.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Israel is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, actually this is another myth.

Few people have actually read the material on the meaning f "Palestine" in terms of the 20th and 21st Century. Thus, those that want to believe that the term "Palestine" from 1922 and forward to 1948, was some sort of recognition of the people and not the territory. They make this point in order to imply that "Palestine" was a forma country in 1922; which it was not. And this terminology is a disparate notion to suggest that the boundary demarcations was some sort of international border established by and for the people of that territory; which it was not.

Palestine has international borders that have not changed since 1922.

(COMMENT)

The territory of "Palestine" was established at the with the same assumptions used to author SECTION VII •
SYRIA, MESOPOTAMIA, PALESTINE • • THE TREATY OF PEACE BETWEEN THE ALLIED AND ASSOCIATED POWERS AND TURKEY SIGNED AT SÈVRES AUGUST 10, 1920 • Articles 94 and 95. In those Articles, the stated intent was stated:

✪ The determination of the other frontiers of the said States, and the selection of the Mandatories, will be made by the Principal Allied Powers.

✪ [T]he administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

✪ The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,

✪ It being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.​

The civil and religious rights in 1922 were not stipulated in that era; but those rights were not equivalent to those understood today.

The boundaries of "Palestine" between 1922 and 1948, were not borders, but recognized demarcations of the territory which was subject to the Mandate (Order in Council for Palestine, August 1922).

The intent was later reaffirmed twice again; once in 1948 A/AC.21/UK/42 • 25 February 1948 • “Termination of the Mandate” • and • The UN Legal Affairs Memorandum of 11 December 2012, related to the Issues of Palestine A/RES/67/19. Even though this specific documents were written more than six decades apart they agree:

✪ Palestine was treated as a legal "Entity" and NOT a state or country. ✪
​

There is no question, they both agree and are on the record.

Periodically, pro-Palestinians attempt to use double-talk and the opinions of others that have poor scholastic research skills, to make people think that there was some authority that implies Citizenship or Nationality makes some critical difference on the matter of effective control or sovereignty. If it were but that simple,the "Question of Palestine" would have been resolved well before WWII.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ Toddsterpatriot, et al,

I don't think the final chapter has been written yet. It is obvious that the Arab Palestinians passed-up and opportunity to be a sovereignty, unto itself, in 1948. But they emphatically declined with the threat of violence in their tone.

And yet, still not a nation.

(COMMENT)

I think the powers-that-be will wait and see how much more territory the Arab Palestinians will trick themselves out of. We call it the (Principality of) Liechtenstein effect. It may become the case that the ultimate solution will never come. [Lichtenstein is ≈ 160 square kilometers (62 square miles) were as the Gaza Strip is ≈ 365 square kilometers (141 sq mi)]

If the economic conditions can be raised --- such that --- Palestinian Human Development can be invigorated to a level in the mean range of the surrounding states, that might move to render the issues irrelevant.



Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The boundaries of "Palestine" between 1922 and 1948, were not borders, but recognized demarcations of the territory which was subject to the Mandate (Order in Council for Palestine, August 1922).

Of course 1922 was before Palestine became a successor state to Turkey. The rules changed after the Treaty of Lausanne.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If the economic conditions can be raised --- such that --- Palestinian Human Development can be invigorated to a level in the mean range of the surrounding states, that might move to render the issues irrelevant.

Israel controls 100% of the Palestinian economy. All travel and tourism, all imports and exports, all aid for economic development, must pass through Israel. Israel does not want any real development in Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is obvious that the Arab Palestinians passed-up and opportunity to be a sovereignty, unto itself, in 1948.

Another Israeli lie.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If the economic conditions can be raised --- such that --- Palestinian Human Development can be invigorated to a level in the mean range of the surrounding states, that might move to render the issues irrelevant.

Israel controls 100% of the Palestinian economy. All travel and tourism, all imports and exports, all aid for economic development, must pass through Israel. Israel does not want any real development in Palestine.

Israel controls 100% of the Palestinian economy.

Except for the terrorism portion of the Palestinian economy, which is what, half?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If the economic conditions can be raised --- such that --- Palestinian Human Development can be invigorated to a level in the mean range of the surrounding states, that might move to render the issues irrelevant.

Israel controls 100% of the Palestinian economy. All travel and tourism, all imports and exports, all aid for economic development, must pass through Israel. Israel does not want any real development in Palestine.

Israel controls 100% of the Palestinian economy.

Except for the terrorism portion of the Palestinian economy, which is what, half?

You make a good point. If Israel really controlled 100% of the Palestinian economy, there would be no pay-outs to terrorists and their families, which is what's happening now.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No "Successor State" was mentioned in the the Treaty of Laussane (1924). Again, I suggest you don't confuse Citizenship and Nationality with sovereign control. They simply are not the same thing.

The Treaty of Lausanne which, incidentally, had no former Ottoman/Turk inhabitant of Middle East or any Arab Nationality (the populations which was formerly subject to Occupied Enemy Territory Administration) as signatores to the treaty. The Treaty did not promise the anything outside that of the signatories. There was no obligation made to the populations which was formerly subject to Occupied Enemy Territory Administration.

Relative to the status of the territory under the administration of the Mandate, the treaty made no difference; other than to legitimize what was already in place.

The boundaries of "Palestine" between 1922 and 1948, were not borders, but recognized demarcations of the territory which was subject to the Mandate (Order in Council for Palestine, August 1922).

Of course 1922 was before Palestine became a successor state to Turkey. The rules changed after the Treaty of Lausanne.

(COMMENT)

If you read the A/AC.14/8 UK The Political History of Palestine under British Administration 2 October 1947, you will notice that the History does not even make mention of the Treaty of Lausanne that is how important is was to ongoing administration.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Between 1949 → 1967, the economy was not run by the Israel. While the political terrain may have changed after the Six-Day War, it was the Arab Palestinians themselves that reshaped the commercial, agricultural and small industry.

If the economic conditions can be raised --- such that --- Palestinian Human Development can be invigorated to a level in the mean range of the surrounding states, that might move to render the issues irrelevant.

Israel controls 100% of the Palestinian economy. All travel and tourism, all imports and exports, all aid for economic development, must pass through Israel. Israel does not want any real development in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

It has been a half century of misbehavior by the Arab Palestinian that set the political, economic and trade conditions results in the outcomes we see today.

Most Respectfully,
R