The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[Toddsterpatriot]

You need a link showing that Palestinians didn't have their own territory in 1948? DERP!

You made the claim now you are ducking providing proof.

Yes, I claimed the Palestinians didn't have their own territory in 1948. Or before 1948.

Do they have their own territory now?

First you duck then you deflect.

Yes, I failed to show you the territory that Palestine never had.

Why do you make a claim you can't prove?

Here's all the territory the Palestinians never had.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You made the claim now you are ducking providing proof.

Yes, I claimed the Palestinians didn't have their own territory in 1948. Or before 1948.

Do they have their own territory now?

First you duck then you deflect.

Yes, I failed to show you the territory that Palestine never had.

Why do you make a claim you can't prove?

View attachment 171485

Here's all the territory the Palestinians never had.

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

 

[Slyhunter]

Yes, I claimed the Palestinians didn't have their own territory in 1948. Or before 1948.

Do they have their own territory now?

First you duck then you deflect.

How do you prove someone didn't have something. You have to prove they did.

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Why don't I read the Encyclopedia Britannica while I'm at it.
What you just did was sidestep the issue. What you just did wasn't proving a damn thing.

They are only about a page each. Would you like me to provide links?

Again, not proof.

 

[P F Tinmore]

First you duck then you deflect.

How do you prove someone didn't have something. You have to prove they did.

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Why don't I read the Encyclopedia Britannica while I'm at it.
What you just did was sidestep the issue. What you just did wasn't proving a damn thing.

They are only about a page each. Would you like me to provide links?

Again, not proof.

Did you read the armistice agreements?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, Slyhunter, Toddsterpatriot, et al,

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

Yes, I claimed the Palestinians didn't have their own territory in 1948. Or before 1948.

Do they have their own territory now?

First you duck then you deflect.

How do you prove someone didn't have something. You have to prove they did.

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Why don't I read the Encyclopedia Britannica while I'm at it.
What you just did was sidestep the issue. What you just did wasn't proving a damn thing.

They are only about a page each. Would you like me to provide links?

(COMMENT)

Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979

Article II​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
​

The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994,

Article 3 - International Boundary

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
​

You will find that, on close examination, the boundary with Jordan incapacitates the West Bank and Jerusalem. And the treaty with Egypt encapsulates Gaza.

And with the exception of Area "A," and the Gaza Strip, the State of Palestine does not actualy have any other sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Slyhunter]

Yes, I claimed the Palestinians didn't have their own territory in 1948. Or before 1948.

Do they have their own territory now?

First you duck then you deflect.

Yes, I failed to show you the territory that Palestine never had.

Why do you make a claim you can't prove?

View attachment 171485

Here's all the territory the Palestinians never had.

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You do understand evolution don't you? The old obsolete neanderthals die and make room for their more civilized populace who will build over their graves the future.

 

[P F Tinmore]

First you duck then you deflect.

Yes, I failed to show you the territory that Palestine never had.

Why do you make a claim you can't prove?

View attachment 171485

Here's all the territory the Palestinians never had.

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You do understand evolution don't you? The old obsolete neanderthals die and make room for their more civilized populace who will build over their graves the future.

Nice duck.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, Slyhunter, Toddsterpatriot, et al,

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

First you duck then you deflect.

How do you prove someone didn't have something. You have to prove they did.

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Why don't I read the Encyclopedia Britannica while I'm at it.
What you just did was sidestep the issue. What you just did wasn't proving a damn thing.

They are only about a page each. Would you like me to provide links?

(COMMENT)

Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979

Article II

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
​

The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994,

Article 3 - International Boundary

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
​

You will find that, on close examination, the boundary with Jordan incapacitates the West Bank and Jerusalem. And the treaty with Egypt encapsulates Gaza.

And with the exception of Area "A," and the Gaza Strip, the State of Palestine does not actualy have any other sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

 

[P F Tinmore]

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

So then, where does Palestine leave off and Israel begin?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Were did the Arab Palestinians get the idea that anything was sovereign unto them?

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, Slyhunter, Toddsterpatriot, et al,

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

How do you prove someone didn't have something. You have to prove they did.

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Why don't I read the Encyclopedia Britannica while I'm at it.
What you just did was sidestep the issue. What you just did wasn't proving a damn thing.

They are only about a page each. Would you like me to provide links?

(COMMENT)

Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979

Article II

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
​

The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994,

Article 3 - International Boundary

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
​

You will find that, on close examination, the boundary with Jordan incapacitates the West Bank and Jerusalem. And the treaty with Egypt encapsulates Gaza.

And with the exception of Area "A," and the Gaza Strip, the State of Palestine does not actualy have any other sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

(COMMENT)

There is absolutely nothing (at the time) that ever indicated that the Arab Palestinians, sovereignty. The two powers - having the control - decided through trial by combat. THEN they agreed on the outcome and wrote a treaty to that effect.

Where did the Arab Palestinians ever get the idea that they had control over any territory since that never even had a decision on the establishment of any boundary at any time in history?

Don't fool yourself. The Allied Powers decided where the initia boundaries would be. Then as a result of a conflict between the Forces of the Arab League and the Israeli Defense Force, Egypt and Jordan both, on an individual basis, made a settlement with Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

The government was but nobody can dissolve a state.

Oh please. You come up with such foolishness.

Yugoslavia.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Were did the Arab Palestinians get the idea that anything was sovereign unto them?

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, Slyhunter, Toddsterpatriot, et al,

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Why don't I read the Encyclopedia Britannica while I'm at it.
What you just did was sidestep the issue. What you just did wasn't proving a damn thing.

They are only about a page each. Would you like me to provide links?

(COMMENT)

Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979

Article II

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
​

The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994,

Article 3 - International Boundary

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
​

You will find that, on close examination, the boundary with Jordan incapacitates the West Bank and Jerusalem. And the treaty with Egypt encapsulates Gaza.

And with the exception of Area "A," and the Gaza Strip, the State of Palestine does not actualy have any other sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

(COMMENT)

There is absolutely nothing (at the time) that ever indicated that the Arab Palestinians, sovereignty. The two powers - having the control - decided through trial by combat. THEN they agreed on the outcome and wrote a treaty to that effect.

Where did the Arab Palestinians ever get the idea that they had control over any territory since that never even had a decision on the establishment of any boundary at any time in history?

Don't fool yourself. The Allied Powers decided where the initia boundaries would be. Then as a result of a conflict between the Forces of the Arab League and the Israeli Defense Force, Egypt and Jordan both, on an individual basis, made a settlement with Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

That does not change the Palestinians right to territorial integrity. Israel cannot win Palestinian land from Egypt and Jordan. And besides, it is illegal to acquire territory through war.

 

[Shusha]

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

You mean the one between Jordan and Israel? And the one between Egypt and Israel? Those ones? The ones that prove that all those States exist AS States due to their ability to enter into relations with other States? Those ones?

 

[Shusha]

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You are correct. Here is Jewish Palestine (now called Israel):

 

[Shusha]

Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

When the government of "Palestine" signed the papers agreeing to them. (Though they are not borders yet. Borders are part of future final status agreements.)

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You are correct. Here is Jewish Palestine (now called Israel):

View attachment 171487

Eli E Hertz, 2005

 

[Shusha]

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You are correct. Here is Jewish Palestine (now called Israel):

View attachment 171487

Eli E Hertz, 2005

You asked for a map of Israel as it was in 1948. That's the answer. Doesn't matter when the map was drawn. You know, and I know that absolutely no legal change has been made to the borders of the territory since they were drawn.

In 1948 Arab Palestinians had no government, no defined population, no sovereign territory under their control and no ability to enter into relations with other States. Israel had all of those things. As well as recognition. And a legal paper trail going back to 1917.

Your argument that Israel does not exist is one of the more foolish ones you make.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You are correct. Here is Jewish Palestine (now called Israel):

View attachment 171487

Eli E Hertz, 2005

You asked for a map of Israel as it was in 1948. That's the answer. Doesn't matter when the map was drawn. You know, and I know that absolutely no legal change has been made to the borders of the territory since they were drawn.

In 1948 Arab Palestinians had no government, no defined population, no sovereign territory under their control and no ability to enter into relations with other States. Israel had all of those things. As well as recognition. And a legal paper trail going back to 1917.

Your argument that Israel does not exist is one of the more foolish ones you make.

I mean a map from the UN or an Atlas. Not an Israeli propaganda map.

It's complicated but go for it.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You lost point here. You're now into negative numbers.

That does not change the Palestinians right to territorial integrity. Israel cannot win Palestinian land from Egypt and Jordan. And besides, it is illegal to acquire territory through war.

(COMMENT)

First, the Palestinian Right is NOT absolute. The parties involved are under no obligation on to do or not do anything that furthers Palestinian territorial integrity. Where is the Palestinian territorial integrity? The State of Palestine, which

Israel, Jordan, and Egypt did not acquire territory through war. At the close of hostilities, 'the parties negotiated treaties. Decisions were made and treaties were written; as has been done for hundreds of years, and is still done today (with a few exceptions made by Principle Major Powers).

(NOW in the LAST DECADE)

I would like to call your attention to the UN Memo 12 DEC 2012 (UN Under-Secretary-General for Legal Affairs).

​

For the purpose of this discussion, I would like to bring to your attention three key points that existed - prior to December 2012 (just 6 years ago), relative to A/RES/67/19 Palestine non-member Observer State 4 DEC 2012:

• the (Ramallah Government) "Palestine" was "treated as an entity"
  
• "not identified as a State or Country"
  
• "nor could its authorites be identified as a government"

Your idea of "territorial integrity" is somewhat dubious. While there was some recognition of the Wesyt Bank as an Jordanian holding, certainly, after the Jordanian withdrawal in 1988 (30 years ago) "Palestinian" was a legal "entity." But it certainly had not sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You are correct. Here is Jewish Palestine (now called Israel):

View attachment 171487

Eli E Hertz, 2005

You asked for a map of Israel as it was in 1948. That's the answer. Doesn't matter when the map was drawn. You know, and I know that absolutely no legal change has been made to the borders of the territory since they were drawn.

In 1948 Arab Palestinians had no government, no defined population, no sovereign territory under their control and no ability to enter into relations with other States. Israel had all of those things. As well as recognition. And a legal paper trail going back to 1917.

Your argument that Israel does not exist is one of the more foolish ones you make.

I mean a map from the UN or an Atlas. Not an Israeli propaganda map.

It's complicated but go for it.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil

Yes, more of your silly games. You've deliberately set up the parameters of the game to exclude relevant documentation which doesn't fit with your agenda.

You and I both know what the boundaries of the territory are. You are I both know they have never been altered.