The demise of Isreal is imminent!

[Slyhunter]

RE: The demise of Isreal is imminent!
※→ P F Tinmore, Slyhunter, Toddsterpatriot, et al,

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

How do you prove someone didn't have something. You have to prove they did.

Read the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.

Why don't I read the Encyclopedia Britannica while I'm at it.
What you just did was sidestep the issue. What you just did wasn't proving a damn thing.

They are only about a page each. Would you like me to provide links?

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Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979

Article II

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.
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The Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty was signed on October 26, 1994,

Article 3 - International Boundary

1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
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You will find that, on close examination, the boundary with Jordan incapacitates the West Bank and Jerusalem. And the treaty with Egypt encapsulates Gaza.

And with the exception of Area "A," and the Gaza Strip, the State of Palestine does not actualy have any other sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

God.
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[Slyhunter]

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

You are correct. Here is Jewish Palestine (now called Israel):

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Eli E Hertz, 2005

You asked for a map of Israel as it was in 1948. That's the answer. Doesn't matter when the map was drawn. You know, and I know that absolutely no legal change has been made to the borders of the territory since they were drawn.

In 1948 Arab Palestinians had no government, no defined population, no sovereign territory under their control and no ability to enter into relations with other States. Israel had all of those things. As well as recognition. And a legal paper trail going back to 1917.

Your argument that Israel does not exist is one of the more foolish ones you make.

I mean a map from the UN or an Atlas. Not an Israeli propaganda map.

It's complicated but go for it.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil

**** the UN.

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry, I thought it was the Palestinian leader's fault for following Islam, where no life is to be respected but only used for a greater vision.

do you also blame rape victims for wearing short dresses?

 

[JoeB131]

You know what's really 'funny'? The book that many call a 'fairy tale' with it's prophecies.

The inconvenient truth is that the prophecies keep coming true. They came true 2,500 years ago with the Assyrian and Babylonian diaspora, the Persian conquest, the return of some to Jerusalem to rebuild a temple, the Greek conquest, etc. etc. The destruction of the second Temple as predicted by Jesus, etc., etc.

Except all those "Prophecies" were written AFTER they happened.

You really think the Bible was written in real time?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Sorry, I thought it was the Palestinian leader's fault for following Islam, where no life is to be respected but only used for a greater vision.

do you also blame rape victims for wearing short dresses?

I know the Palestinians like to portray themselves as the "eternal victims" but they are not. They turn down every generous offer that is given to them. Ever hear the saying, "They never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity." As far as violence is concerned, they've given as good as they've gotten, if not more so. It's obscene to compare them to rape victims.

 

[JoeB131]

Wait, what?! So if people come along and steal your religion and then do shitty things with it -- the victim of the original theft is to blame?

Actually, the religion was shitty. That's the problem. The Bible advocates genocide for "unbelievers". There's the wonderful story of how God turned on Saul because he wouldn't commit sufficient genocide against the Amalekites. Thankfully for civilization, this noxious creed was limited to a strip of desert while the Romans and Greeks were creating civilization for us. Until the new Roman State Religion needed a backstory. "Hey, here's a bunch of cool stories, let's use those and shoehorn our fake messiah into it."

No one is denying the rights of the Palestinians for a two-state solution. They have no rights to continue to commit violence against Jews.

Sure, they do. They have the right every people has to fight invaders and occupiers.

 

[JoeB131]

I know the Palestinians like to portray themselves as the "eternal victims" but they are not. They turn down every generous offer that is given to them.

Okay,

Let's look at that.

Let's say I chase you out of your house by force and shoot your dog.

Then I say, "Hey, buddy, you can live in the unheated garage!"

I don't think you'd consider my offer "Generous". In fact, I think you'd probably still want to kill me if given the opportunity.

 

[JoeB131]

Israel declared independence inside it own defined territory, according to the treaties of the time.

Treaties written by white people from Europe?

Jesus Christ, no wonder most of the world hates white people. Listening to this kind of shit, I'm starting not to like them much, and I'm white.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I know the Palestinians like to portray themselves as the "eternal victims" but they are not. They turn down every generous offer that is given to them.

Okay,

Let's look at that.

Let's say I chase you out of your house by force and shoot your dog.

Then I say, "Hey, buddy, you can live in the unheated garage!"

I don't think you'd consider my offer "Generous". In fact, I think you'd probably still want to kill me if given the opportunity.

70 years. Time to move on. My grandparents were forced out of Poland too.

 

[JoeB131]

70 years. Time to move on. My grandparents were forced out of Poland too.

And yet there is still a Poland. Poland was in fact awarded territory from Russia and Germany to exist.

 

[Humanity]

I know the Palestinians like to portray themselves as the "eternal victims" but they are not.

And the Jews don't do that do they?

Or, perhaps, you believe that Jews are "eternal victims"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, I claimed the Palestinians didn't have their own territory in 1948. Or before 1948.

Do they have their own territory now?

First you duck then you deflect.

Yes, I failed to show you the territory that Palestine never had.

Why do you make a claim you can't prove?

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Here's all the territory the Palestinians never had.

Why does Israel always use those fake armistice lines for borders? The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

What lines does Palestine use? Oh, right, imaginary countries don't use any lines.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As far as the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip are concerned, the Armistice Line established are of no consequence, since they were only in force until the Peace Treaties were signed.

So then, where does Palestine leave off and Israel begin?

Israel is there, on the ground. The only place Palestine is a nation is in your imagination.

 

[teddyearp]

That's OK, you are not alone. That request gets ducked 100% of the time by everybody.

That's OK, because the request to you to show us where the Independent state of Palestine ever existed with it's own leaders, it's own currency, it's own seat at the table of the UN, with peaceful treaties with its neighbors, etc., get ducked by YOU 100% of the time as well. And then we



all over the top of your twisted pretzel.

 

[teddyearp]

Ethnic cleansing.

Laughable and a lie. Why are there now millions of 'refugees' when it started with less than a million?

 

[teddyearp]

Where did Israel get the authority to claim borders on Palestinian land?

Sigh. Again, where is or was the Nation of Palestine?

Sigh, again, it sure would be nice if they would get their collective shit together and actually create a viable Nation.

As Israel did.

In 1948.

Too bad you will never get it. Too bad. So sad.

You do nothing to further the Palestinian cause here with your BS.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy, while realistically that very well may be how it plays out, however we already know how it turned out in the part with Jordan granting the Palestinians citizenship. Doubt they will make that mistake again.

Orthodox and religious Jews who have 10 kids per family (LOL) will continue move into what they believe is their rightful ancestral and religious homeland, aka Judeah and Samaria, while the Palestinian population will continue to decrease, mostly through migration to other Arab countries, which is how they came to Israel in the first place.

Why do you think that the Palestinian population in Judeah and Samaria is decreasing?

Christians fleeing combined with Arab Muslims migrating to neighboring countries, while religious Jews with high fertility rates move into the area. By the time Israel annexes the "West Bank" it will be a fait accompli.

 

[teddyearp]

It's complicated but go for it.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil

Hmm, no map in that link. Your point?

 

[teddyearp]

Except all those "Prophecies" were written AFTER they happened.

You really think the Bible was written in real time?

Nice snip. You are a funny guy (or girl).

Please, oh please show me that the prophecy of the Jews being called from all four corners of the world to re establish their homeland and NATION in Israel was written 'after the fact'.

Can you do that?

NO.

Didn't think so.

 

[Roudy]

It's complicated but go for it.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil

Hmm, no map in that link. Your point?

The point is they can't face how well things are going for Israel so they start whining about land that was Ottoman territory for the last 700 years, then conquered by the British after WWI. In other words, the Arab Muslims did not own or control the land in the last 700 years.

Since Israel was reestablished, they have tried to destroy the Jewish state and commit genocide on Jews in their own holyland many times, and failed.

And now that Trump is president, things are better than Israel than ever before!

WINNING!