The Decline Of Unions

When all unions are gone means the employer calls all the shots. Then overtime pay would be gotten rid of, lunch breaks gone, paid sick time abolished, and so on. Employers then think they own their laborers.
 
initforme said:
When all unions are gone means the employer calls all the shots. Then overtime pay would be gotten rid of, lunch breaks gone, paid sick time abolished, and so on. Employers then think they own their laborers.
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Then employees stop working for that employer and go work elsewhere.

The beauty of capitalism. You, as a worker, are free to leave.

Under socialism, you're not.
 
westwall said:
Then employees stop working for that employer and go work elsewhere.

The beauty of capitalism. You, as a worker, are free to leave.

Under socialism, you're not.
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I'm not for socialism. I do see a very concerted effort to chisel away at workers until they're down to not much. I see it more like a plutocracy, of which we are closer to right now. The rich and powerful are the ones getting elected regardless of party. Why can't an average working person break thru?
 
I bargain as an individual. My job performance determines my pay and I don't need a union to achieve my goals.
 
Blaster said:
I bargain as an individual. My job performance determines my pay and I don't need a union to achieve my goals.
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Get rid of unions? That's fine. But there needs to be a conflicting opposition to the employer embedded in the workplace. Compliant workers who never champion their cause are the worst workers.
 
initforme said:
Get rid of unions? That's fine. But there needs to be a conflicting opposition to the employer embedded in the workplace. Compliant workers who never champion their cause are the worst workers.
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Good job performance is rewarded with better pay.
 
Blaster said:
Our country would be better off with no unions. They protect bad workers and penalize productive ones. I don't believe in collective bargaining.

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I disagree, while there should be no closed shops, Unionizing is a right every American should have unless they work for a government.

Public sector unions are the bane of this country.
 
westwall said:
Then employees stop working for that employer and go work elsewhere.

The beauty of capitalism. You, as a worker, are free to leave.

Under socialism, you're not.
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I am a Socialist and no one stopped me working where i wanted, what are you talking about?
 
I had an employer hire a fellow in an managment position above me gettinng paid a lot more than me and wanted me to train him for the job. I got no raise in pay or a bonus. I really neede the job but left any way. I told if he ever had a an opening for a construction site manager call me. He was a nice guy and all but he just didn,t '''get it'' . :) :coffee:
 
Blaster said:
Our country would be better off with no unions. They protect bad workers and penalize productive ones. I don't believe in collective bargaining.

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I don't think the head of the dock workers cares if Republicans outlaw unions. He will have got his. And those guys are going to get big raises till automation takes over. So they don't care about the future. They know automation is coming. Just not until they retire please.

Unions are notorious for cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.

Union members are notorious for biting the hand that feeds them. How much do they think these foreign companies who own the docks would pay them if they weren't organized? How much did Archie Bunker make?
 
Deadstick said:
I am a Socialist and no one stopped me working where i wanted, what are you talking about?
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That's because the UK isn't completely socialist yet.

Socialist countries control the means of production.

That means they control YOU.
 
initforme said:
Not always. Sometimes it results in pay deductions.
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By stupid companies. You are correct. And those companies tend to fail unless they produce something so exceptional that it keeps them afloat.
 
sealybobo said:
I don't think the head of the dock workers cares if Republicans outlaw unions. He will have got his. And those guys are going to get big raises till automation takes over. So they don't care about the future. They know automation is coming. Just not until they retire please.

Unions are notorious for cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.

Union members are notorious for biting the hand that feeds them. How much do they think these foreign companies who own the docks would pay them if they weren't organized? How much did Archie Bunker make?
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Indeed. Post WWII the USA had hundreds of steamship companies.

Then, the merchant marine unions got powerful and one by one they killed them all off but one. Mattson is still US flagged because it's a requirement of Military Sealift Command.

All the rest....gone. Victims of the greed of the unions.
 
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