How Would Milton Friedman Do DOGE?

Friedman is the guy who really gave neoliberalism (though he never referred to himself as a neolib) a large push forward during the Reagan years, it all began with his "Free to choose' book, him and Ayn Rand and her objectivism crap. I read the book and agreed with much of it at the time, but as time progressed, I slowly realized it's conclusions were flawed.

We haven't had a small, limited government, that lives within its means in so long, no one really knows if it would work or not.
I and most other small government people would like to see it. But the democrats and the RINO's will never give it a chance.

One things is for sure, back when we had small government, that lives within it's means (or close to it), we were the free market, manufacturing giant of the world. Back then, this country was great. And it wasn't until the RINO's took over the GOP and the democrats turned into a bunch of big government wacko's, did we stop being great.
 
Milton Friedman has been completely debunked as an economist. There are many who believed he should be tried for crimes against humanity, given that everywhere his policies were implemented, resulted in the mass murder or "disappearing" of leftist opposition.

Debunked? Where?

You're hilarious. Not too bright though.
 
We haven't had a small, limited government, that lives within its means in so long, no one really knows if it would work or not.
I and most other small government people would like to see it. But the democrats and the RINO's will never give it a chance.

One things is for sure, back when we had small government, that lives within it's means (or close to it), we were the free market, manufacturing giant of the world. Back then, this country was great. And it wasn't until the RINO's took over the GOP and the democrats turned into a bunch of big government wacko's, did we stop being great.
Ah, yes, the perennial lament of the small-government zealot, pining for a golden age that never was, and peddling a future that will never be. It is a peculiar and persistent delusion, this fantasy that America’s problems could be solved if only we returned to some mythical time when the government was small, men were men, and the free market was an omnipotent, benevolent force unsullied by the meddlesome hands of bureaucrats. The argument is as tired as it is ahistorical, and like most reactionary fables, it is steeped in selective memory, economic illiteracy, and a complete misunderstanding of modern governance.

First, this notion that we have "never tried" small government is an intellectual evasion so transparent it hardly bears mentioning. The early United States, which these folks seem to fetishize, was a sparsely populated, agrarian backwater with no standing army, no regulatory agencies, no social safety net, no meaningful infrastructure, and a federal government so weak it nearly collapsed under its own weight by 1787. It was a country where people quite literally sent carrier pigeons to communicate over long distances, where banking crises were routine, and where the government had neither the capacity nor the will to address anything resembling modern economic or social complexity.

And yet, even then, the Founders--those deities of conservative folklore--saw fit to expand the powers of government when necessary. George Washington crushed the Whiskey Rebellion with federal troops. Jefferson, that patron saint of limited government, doubled the size of the country with the Louisiana Purchase. Lincoln, faced with existential crisis, centralized power to a degree that would make today’s “small government” evangelists clutch their pearls.

The idea that America’s greatness stemmed from an era of limited government is the stuff of fairy tales. The country’s economic supremacy in the mid-20th century was the result of an unprecedented confluence of factors: a devastated Europe and Asia that left the U.S. as the sole industrial power standing after World War II; a massive, government-backed expansion of infrastructure (the Interstate Highway System, anyone?); and a heavily regulated, unionized economy that ensured middle-class prosperity. Even Reagan, that great demigod of libertarian lore, ran deficits that make today’s Republicans blush ('cept for, perhaps, Trump), raised taxes when necessary, and presided over an expansion of government rather than its reduction.

Now, as for this belief that government is some bloated behemoth just waiting to be hacked apart with a chainsaw--well, here’s a fun fact. If you fired every single federal worker--every park ranger, every air traffic controller, every scientist at NOAA tracking hurricanes, every diplomat at the State Department, every doctor at the VA--you would shave a grand total of two-thirds of a percentage point off the national debt. That’s it. The debt is driven by entitlement spending and military expenditures, neither of which your average “small government” enthusiast is ever eager to cut. Instead, they fixate on some imaginary dystopia of overpaid bureaucrats in Washington feasting on taxpayer dollars, while ignoring the very real benefits these agencies provide.

You want to gut NOAA? Enjoy your untracked hurricanes and your collapsed fisheries. Want to slash USAID? Hope you like destabilized regions and increased refugee crises. Want to eliminate the EPA? Get ready for lead in your water and carcinogens in your air. There is, of course, always room for efficiency in government, but the idea that modern America--a country of 330 million people, with the most complex economy and military in world history--can be run like some Jeffersonian hamlet is nothing short of lunacy.

The small-government utopia is not just a bad idea; it’s an outright dangerous one. It is the luxury of people who have never had to live in a society without functioning institutions. It is the privilege of those who mistake their own nostalgia for historical truth. It is, in short, the ideology of the ignorant and the indifferent, sold to the gullible by those who stand to benefit from government’s destruction. And it is an ideology that, thankfully, has never been tested in modern America--because the moment it is, the people demanding it will be the first ones crying for the very government they wished away. In fact, a number of folks in Red States are doing just that, as we speak.
 
Ah, yes, the perennial lament of the small-government zealot, pining for a golden age that never was, and peddling a future that will never be. It is a peculiar and persistent delusion, this fantasy that America’s problems could be solved if only we returned to some mythical time when the government was small, men were men, and the free market was an omnipotent, benevolent force unsullied by the meddlesome hands of bureaucrats. The argument is as tired as it is ahistorical, and like most reactionary fables, it is steeped in selective memory, economic illiteracy, and a complete misunderstanding of modern governance.

First, this notion that we have "never tried" small government is an intellectual evasion so transparent it hardly bears mentioning. The early United States, which these folks seem to fetishize, was a sparsely populated, agrarian backwater with no standing army, no regulatory agencies, no social safety net, no meaningful infrastructure, and a federal government so weak it nearly collapsed under its own weight by 1787. It was a country where people quite literally sent carrier pigeons to communicate over long distances, where banking crises were routine, and where the government had neither the capacity nor the will to address anything resembling modern economic or social complexity.

And yet, even then, the Founders--those deities of conservative folklore--saw fit to expand the powers of government when necessary. George Washington crushed the Whiskey Rebellion with federal troops. Jefferson, that patron saint of limited government, doubled the size of the country with the Louisiana Purchase. Lincoln, faced with existential crisis, centralized power to a degree that would make today’s “small government” evangelists clutch their pearls.

The idea that America’s greatness stemmed from an era of limited government is the stuff of fairy tales. The country’s economic supremacy in the mid-20th century was the result of an unprecedented confluence of factors: a devastated Europe and Asia that left the U.S. as the sole industrial power standing after World War II; a massive, government-backed expansion of infrastructure (the Interstate Highway System, anyone?); and a heavily regulated, unionized economy that ensured middle-class prosperity. Even Reagan, that great demigod of libertarian lore, ran deficits that make today’s Republicans blush ('cept for, perhaps, Trump), raised taxes when necessary, and presided over an expansion of government rather than its reduction.

Now, as for this belief that government is some bloated behemoth just waiting to be hacked apart with a chainsaw--well, here’s a fun fact. If you fired every single federal worker--every park ranger, every air traffic controller, every scientist at NOAA tracking hurricanes, every diplomat at the State Department, every doctor at the VA--you would shave a grand total of two-thirds of a percentage point off the national debt. That’s it. The debt is driven by entitlement spending and military expenditures, neither of which your average “small government” enthusiast is ever eager to cut. Instead, they fixate on some imaginary dystopia of overpaid bureaucrats in Washington feasting on taxpayer dollars, while ignoring the very real benefits these agencies provide.

You want to gut NOAA? Enjoy your untracked hurricanes and your collapsed fisheries. Want to slash USAID? Hope you like destabilized regions and increased refugee crises. Want to eliminate the EPA? Get ready for lead in your water and carcinogens in your air. There is, of course, always room for efficiency in government, but the idea that modern America--a country of 330 million people, with the most complex economy and military in world history--can be run like some Jeffersonian hamlet is nothing short of lunacy.

The small-government utopia is not just a bad idea; it’s an outright dangerous one. It is the luxury of people who have never had to live in a society without functioning institutions. It is the privilege of those who mistake their own nostalgia for historical truth. It is, in short, the ideology of the ignorant and the indifferent, sold to the gullible by those who stand to benefit from government’s destruction. And it is an ideology that, thankfully, has never been tested in modern America--because the moment it is, the people demanding it will be the first ones crying for the very government they wished away. In fact, a number of folks in Red States are doing just that, as we speak.

We're only inches away from a socialist government like the UK and Canada. So you're point is nil.
 
The small-government utopia is not just a bad idea; it’s an outright dangerous one. It is the luxury of people who have never had to live in a society without functioning institutions.

Exactly! The federal government spending only 24% of GDP is dangerously little.
We should have the Feds spend 34% of GDP, maybe 44% of GDP, just to be safe.
 
Exactly! The federal government spending only 24% of GDP is dangerously little.
We should have the Feds spend 34% of GDP, maybe 44% of GDP, just to be safe.

Right. Because everyone knows that only the government knows how to run things. And pouring money into anything is a sure fire solution.
A trillion $ here, a couple trillion over there, and we'll have a government ran utopia.
 
Milton Friedman has been completely debunked as an economist. There are many who believed he should be tried for crimes against humanity, given that everywhere his policies were implemented, resulted in the mass murder or "disappearing" of leftist opposition.

Every nation where Friedman's "capitalism on steriods" has been tried, has resulted in increased prices, increased poverty, and attacks on leftists.







Steve Denning and Dragonlady only invest in companies that try to
minimize shareholder value. Because they are idiot left-wingers, but I repeat myself.
 
We're only inches away from a socialist government like the UK and Canada. So you're point is nil.
Incompetent rebuttal. Nothing in your comment substantively refutes the points given. Fail.
 
Steve Denning and Dragonlady only invest in companies that try to
minimize shareholder value. Because they are idiot left-wingers, but I repeat myself.
Incompetent rebuttal. non substantive in every way. Fail.
 
Right. Because everyone knows that only the government knows how to run things. And pouring money into anything is a sure fire solution.
A trillion $ here, a couple trillion over there, and we'll have a government ran utopia.
Nice strawman. Fail.
 
Well, he's Jewish. So there's that.

😊

I read that he referred to himself as agnostic.

Anyways, we've come a long way since his attitude that companies should primarily have no concern but their shareholders. Such as environmental concerns, I believe it was 1969 when the Cuyahoga River last caught fire.

I do think government needs to cut back. But they need to be smart about it.
 
I'm all for cutting government spending. As long as they don't waste money on other BS stuff. The only way to save money, is to not spend it.
Trump & Johnson are going to waste any savings they find on other BS stuff. Like renewing the contracts Biden signed with Elon & NASA.
1. Exactly. We can't borrow money to throw it from helicopters like Biden did.
2. Trump and Mikey aren't going to waste savings. Elon's contracts are rounding errors compared to $400b we know is wasted on fraud. (Podesta, Stacy, & EPA, not counting other fraud & waste in SS, Treasury, Welfare, Medicaid, etc)
 
1. Exactly. We can't borrow money to throw it from helicopters like Biden did.
2. Trump and Mikey aren't going to waste savings. Elon's contracts are rounding errors compared to $400b we know is wasted on fraud. (Podesta, Stacy, & EPA, not counting other fraud & waste in SS, Treasury, Welfare, Medicaid, etc)


Doge is going their part. But Johnson has already over bloated the CR coming up this week. And Trump will sign it. Trump is very likely to waste trillions. He wasted $8 trillion his last term.
 
If you want money from your corporate investments to go
to left-wing causes, feel free to spend your own dividends
and capital gains on those left-wing causes.
irrelevant. Please learn how to stay on point and frame a proper rebuttal.
 

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