The Death Panels Cometh...

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Have you guys figured out yet where the money will come from with this new healthcare?

Can you admit now it will cost more then twice as much?

What will the national debt look like in ten years?


I have mentioned the left is full of idiots? Yes?

 

[Trajan]

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer pulled funding for 2 operations.

Both those people died.

And that had nothing to do with "ObamaCare".

That's what Republicans want for America.

Can't pay?

Die.

wipe your chin dude...I posted links before to cases one of whcih was in that mecca of liberalism, San fran where in doctors would not operate on a illegal alien without a guarantee of payment........


see, that Independent Payment Advisory Board ? those 15 high exalted individuals?

once they get going, they won't be deciding shit for me or mine. we'll head to a fee clinic overseas or Mexico where in they will spring up like wild flowers if obamacare runs on.......we'll get taken care of....


you? well, bring a lawn chair for that line outside the doctors office and suck it up. you can sing L'Internationale while you wait. Maybe the Board will deign to allow treatment for you....or, maybe not.

BUT, you can always drink water from that vase of wilted flowers on the window sill in your room, IF it hasn't evaporated...or order a $15 bottle of water if you can get a nurse and pay cash.......good luck on that.

The Facts About the Independent Payment Advisory Board

Key to these savings is a proposal to strengthen the Independent Payment Advisory Board – IPAB, which was created by the Affordable Care Act. Here’s how IPAB works:

• 15 experts including doctors and patient advocates would be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve on IPAB.

• IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.

• IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.

• Congress then has the power to accept or reject these recommendations. If Congress rejects the recommendations, and Medicare spending exceeds specific targets, Congress must either enact policies that achieve equivalent savings or let the Secretary of Health and Human Services follow IPAB’s recommendations.

IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.



IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.




square those circles for me dude.....

 

[Trajan]

Anyone that doesn't believe increasing the demand for healthcare in our limited supply of doctors and the rising costs of healthcare doesn't lead to cutting off certain people to certain procedures is a LIAR or a dumbfuck.

Granny isn't going ot be allowed to live 10 more years from an expensive surgery, she will be told to take pain pills to live out her life 1-3 years.

Mentally/physically handicapped children/adults will be put in a different category for medical care compared to the so-called healthier people in this country. Afterall, liberals have always wanted to kill off those kinds of people via abortion so this is the slow abortion method once they escape the first time.

And sometimes that expensive surgery will kill granny in a week.
Seen many dementia patients made to have hip replacements and die within a few weeks.
My great grandmother died two weeks after having knee surgery. Never made it out of the hospital.

great...so, this 'attitude' differs from an insurance co's demand for higher premiums for riskier patients........how?

 

[jack113]

Anyone that doesn't believe increasing the demand for healthcare in our limited supply of doctors and the rising costs of healthcare doesn't lead to cutting off certain people to certain procedures is a LIAR or a dumbfuck.

Granny isn't going ot be allowed to live 10 more years from an expensive surgery, she will be told to take pain pills to live out her life 1-3 years.

Mentally/physically handicapped children/adults will be put in a different category for medical care compared to the so-called healthier people in this country. Afterall, liberals have always wanted to kill off those kinds of people via abortion so this is the slow abortion method once they escape the first time.

And sometimes that expensive surgery will kill granny in a week.
Seen many dementia patients made to have hip replacements and die within a few weeks.
My great grandmother died two weeks after having knee surgery. Never made it out of the hospital.

great...so, this 'attitude' differs from an insurance co's demand for higher premiums for riskier patients........how?

Death panels come in the form of teabaggers supporting death for anyone that needs medical help.

 

[Bfgrn]

wipe your chin dude...I posted links before to cases one of whcih was in that mecca of liberalism, San fran where in doctors would not operate on a illegal alien without a guarantee of payment........


see, that Independent Payment Advisory Board ? those 15 high exalted individuals?

once they get going, they won't be deciding shit for me or mine. we'll head to a fee clinic overseas or Mexico where in they will spring up like wild flowers if obamacare runs on.......we'll get taken care of....


you? well, bring a lawn chair for that line outside the doctors office and suck it up. you can sing L'Internationale while you wait. Maybe the Board will deign to allow treatment for you....or, maybe not.

BUT, you can always drink water from that vase of wilted flowers on the window sill in your room, IF it hasn't evaporated...or order a $15 bottle of water if you can get a nurse and pay cash.......good luck on that.

The Facts About the Independent Payment Advisory Board

Key to these savings is a proposal to strengthen the Independent Payment Advisory Board – IPAB, which was created by the Affordable Care Act. Here’s how IPAB works:

• 15 experts including doctors and patient advocates would be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve on IPAB.

• IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.

• IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.

• Congress then has the power to accept or reject these recommendations. If Congress rejects the recommendations, and Medicare spending exceeds specific targets, Congress must either enact policies that achieve equivalent savings or let the Secretary of Health and Human Services follow IPAB’s recommendations.

IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.



IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.




square those circles for me dude.....

The first statement 'squares' the second statement. Do you need an interpreter?

 

[Too Tall]

Nice lie.

Republicans have tried tort reform to prevent lawyers from driving up the costs of healthcare on everyone, Democraps stop it.

Republicans have pushed for healthcare insurance to be sold across state lines, Democraps stop it.

Democraps want to drive healthcare off a cliff, then blame doctors, drug companies, insurance companies and Republicans so they can dupe more dumb motherfuckers like you to create socialized medicine.

No, it’s not a 'lie' – and you’ve got to be kidding.

Tort ‘reform’ will have no overall effect on the cost of healthcare:

Health care costs are rising; however, medical malpractice litigation has nothing to do with it. According to the Congressional Budget Office, medical malpractice amounted to less than 2 percent of overall health care spending.

Tort Reform Myth: Myth: Health care costs are rising and doctors are unable to practice due to litigation. | The Legal Examiner Honolulu

Selling insurance across state lines will also have no effect, as prices will generally remain uniform across any given market. If a family can’t afford a premium of $1500 per month, they’re not going to be able to afford a $1400 per month premium after ‘shopping around.’

Selling across state lines is even worse than that, ask yourself why all the credit card companies are based in Delaware and then ask why that would work for health insurance?

Are you suggesting that all credit cards charge the same interest?

 

[Too Tall]

And sometimes that expensive surgery will kill granny in a week.
Seen many dementia patients made to have hip replacements and die within a few weeks.
My great grandmother died two weeks after having knee surgery. Never made it out of the hospital.

great...so, this 'attitude' differs from an insurance co's demand for higher premiums for riskier patients........how?

Death panels come in the form of teabaggers supporting death for anyone that needs medical help.

I got this from a self described British Philosopher

The first thing to point out is that bureaucracies are deciding about how to allocate limited public health care resources to what kinds of people, not who to euthanise. That means they are concerned with the factual determination of what different medical treatments can achieve for different kinds of patients, and what the cost per quality adjusted life year would be for different cases. This is difficult, but effectively neutral - it's basically cost-benefit analysis. The second component of their analysis is scarcity. As Econ 101 tells us, all resources are scarce: the problem is how to cope with that brute fact. In this case scarcity is decided by society's collective choice about how much to spend on health care versus its other priorities.

Read that and now the first paragraph for you.

Americans seem to get very excited over the concept of bureaucrats deciding whether or not their granny should get medicine or not. This is called with typical hyperbole, 'death panels'. Somehow the concept seems more upsetting when they find that we have those in Europe.