The daunting challenge for Dems is they are facing........

[berg80]

All the most brutal leaders you ever heard of had die hard supporters till the end. Some humans seem to be unable to function without some sort of king or generalissimo.

Agreed. I just didn't think an authoritarian could be elected............and then supported..............once he/she began to behave this way.

America is not the first country to seemingly reject the hard work of democracy for the brutal simplicity of authoritarianism.

True. I just naively thought we were better than this.

 

[Oddball]

The left has already begun spinning the excuses for losing the 2020 elections.

Why are you Trumpette's so shy about addressing the facts laid out in the OP? Never mind, I already know, cuz they're facts that make you uncomfortable to admit.

With liberal control of 90% of print, cable, and televised media you people must REALLY suck at making a convincing argument. Or we just hate your guts and ignore anything you say, my money is on the latter.

It would have taken you less time to just say you can't factually refute anything I wrote.

An actual fact would make your OP self immolate.

Refute anything................PLEASE!

..........relentless efforts by Repubs to suppress the votes of likely Dem voters by a variety of means, an EC that is disproportionately representative of small, conservative rural states, America’s democracy is failing. Here’s why.

and a Trumpian constituency immune to the ignorance, immorality, criminality, corruption, and epic dishonesty of their Dear Leader.

I mean, how do you convince someone of how.......to be kind let's say inappropriate..........inappropriate it was for Don to say what he said on the Zelensky call when a large % of The Following still sees nothing wrong with it? Even after about 1/2 dozen Repub senators essentially admitted publicly (more privately) the House managers proved their case. Lamar Alexander says House proved Trump withheld aid to pressure Ukraine - Axios

How do you convince them, when empirical data isn't enough, that the Trump economy...........achieved by taking a 2ish % GDP growth economy.........and temporarily juicing it with a tax cut that has greatly increased the deficit.........is not an economic miracle, it's Keynesian policy with no regard for debt? Mulvaney Admits GOP Doesn't Care About Bloated Deficit Under Millionaire-Friendly Trump

How do you convince them that repealing the ACA without a replacement is both reckless and irresponsible.........not to mention harmful to a portion of the public's well being..............when they've been fed lies about the ACA since its inception? 3 years in, no sign of Trump's replacement for Obamacare

Or that while the prez has the constitutional authority to get involved in the criminal case of a friend it is antithetical to how our system of justice is designed to work? Bill Barr Must Resign

Or that the reason the Liar-in-Chief uses Twitter isn't as much to get his unfiltered message out as it is to avoid the scrutiny of the press who would surely call him out on the hundreds of lies he tells when he tweets? How many impeachment lies can you find in this Trump tweet?

Nobody is going to wade through that flood-the-zone litany of moonbat op-ed hackery to try to refute your and their derangement.

Now get back to eating your bag of dicks.

 

[fncceo]

..........relentless efforts by Repubs to suppress the votes of likely Dem voters by a variety of means, an EC that is disproportionately representative of small, conservative rural states, America’s democracy is failing. Here’s why.

and a Trumpian constituency immune to the ignorance, immorality, criminality, corruption, and epic dishonesty of their Dear Leader.

I mean, how do you convince someone of how.......to be kind let's say inappropriate..........inappropriate it was for Don to say what he said on the Zelensky call when a large % of The Following still sees nothing wrong with it? Even after about 1/2 dozen Repub senators essentially admitted publicly (more privately) the House managers proved their case. Lamar Alexander says House proved Trump withheld aid to pressure Ukraine - Axios

How do you convince them, when empirical data isn't enough, that the Trump economy...........achieved by taking a 2ish % GDP growth economy.........and temporarily juicing it with a tax cut that has greatly increased the deficit.........is not an economic miracle, it's Keynesian policy with no regard for debt? Mulvaney Admits GOP Doesn't Care About Bloated Deficit Under Millionaire-Friendly Trump

How do you convince them that repealing the ACA without a replacement is both reckless and irresponsible.........not to mention harmful to a portion of the public's well being..............when they've been fed lies about the ACA since its inception? 3 years in, no sign of Trump's replacement for Obamacare

Or that while the prez has the constitutional authority to get involved in the criminal case of a friend it is antithetical to how our system of justice is designed to work? Bill Barr Must Resign

Or that the reason the Liar-in-Chief uses Twitter isn't as much to get his unfiltered message out as it is to avoid the scrutiny of the press who would surely call him out on the hundreds of lies he tells when he tweets? How many impeachment lies can you find in this Trump tweet?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

All the most brutal leaders you ever heard of had die hard supporters till the end. Some humans seem to be unable to function without some sort of king or generalissimo.

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk until you stop with the childish attacks you're only going to get resistance and see more support for the president.
All the bullshit attacks have done nothing but help the President.

 

[berg80]

Why are you Trumpette's so shy about addressing the facts laid out in the OP? Never mind, I already know, cuz they're facts that make you uncomfortable to admit.

With liberal control of 90% of print, cable, and televised media you people must REALLY suck at making a convincing argument. Or we just hate your guts and ignore anything you say, my money is on the latter.

It would have taken you less time to just say you can't factually refute anything I wrote.

An actual fact would make your OP self immolate.

Refute anything................PLEASE!

..........relentless efforts by Repubs to suppress the votes of likely Dem voters by a variety of means, an EC that is disproportionately representative of small, conservative rural states, America’s democracy is failing. Here’s why.

and a Trumpian constituency immune to the ignorance, immorality, criminality, corruption, and epic dishonesty of their Dear Leader.

I mean, how do you convince someone of how.......to be kind let's say inappropriate..........inappropriate it was for Don to say what he said on the Zelensky call when a large % of The Following still sees nothing wrong with it? Even after about 1/2 dozen Repub senators essentially admitted publicly (more privately) the House managers proved their case. Lamar Alexander says House proved Trump withheld aid to pressure Ukraine - Axios

How do you convince them, when empirical data isn't enough, that the Trump economy...........achieved by taking a 2ish % GDP growth economy.........and temporarily juicing it with a tax cut that has greatly increased the deficit.........is not an economic miracle, it's Keynesian policy with no regard for debt? Mulvaney Admits GOP Doesn't Care About Bloated Deficit Under Millionaire-Friendly Trump

How do you convince them that repealing the ACA without a replacement is both reckless and irresponsible.........not to mention harmful to a portion of the public's well being..............when they've been fed lies about the ACA since its inception? 3 years in, no sign of Trump's replacement for Obamacare

Or that while the prez has the constitutional authority to get involved in the criminal case of a friend it is antithetical to how our system of justice is designed to work? Bill Barr Must Resign

Or that the reason the Liar-in-Chief uses Twitter isn't as much to get his unfiltered message out as it is to avoid the scrutiny of the press who would surely call him out on the hundreds of lies he tells when he tweets? How many impeachment lies can you find in this Trump tweet?

Nobody is going to wade through that flood-the-zone litany of moonbat op-ed hackery to try to refute your and their derangement.

Now get back to eating your bag of dicks.

Pick just one and refute the facts. Look, we both know this is the game you guys play. When you have nothing you insult the author of the post, disparage the sources they use..................but never actually take on the facts in an attempt to prove them wrong. Cuz you can't.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

All the most brutal leaders you ever heard of had die hard supporters till the end. Some humans seem to be unable to function without some sort of king or generalissimo.

Agreed. I just didn't think an authoritarian could be elected............and then supported..............once he/she began to behave this way.

America is not the first country to seemingly reject the hard work of democracy for the brutal simplicity of authoritarianism.

if America was a democracy we would not have the electoral college

 

[berg80]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

With liberal control of 90% of print, cable, and televised media you people must REALLY suck at making a convincing argument. Or we just hate your guts and ignore anything you say, my money is on the latter.

It would have taken you less time to just say you can't factually refute anything I wrote.

An actual fact would make your OP self immolate.

Refute anything................PLEASE!

..........relentless efforts by Repubs to suppress the votes of likely Dem voters by a variety of means, an EC that is disproportionately representative of small, conservative rural states, America’s democracy is failing. Here’s why.

and a Trumpian constituency immune to the ignorance, immorality, criminality, corruption, and epic dishonesty of their Dear Leader.

I mean, how do you convince someone of how.......to be kind let's say inappropriate..........inappropriate it was for Don to say what he said on the Zelensky call when a large % of The Following still sees nothing wrong with it? Even after about 1/2 dozen Repub senators essentially admitted publicly (more privately) the House managers proved their case. Lamar Alexander says House proved Trump withheld aid to pressure Ukraine - Axios

How do you convince them, when empirical data isn't enough, that the Trump economy...........achieved by taking a 2ish % GDP growth economy.........and temporarily juicing it with a tax cut that has greatly increased the deficit.........is not an economic miracle, it's Keynesian policy with no regard for debt? Mulvaney Admits GOP Doesn't Care About Bloated Deficit Under Millionaire-Friendly Trump

How do you convince them that repealing the ACA without a replacement is both reckless and irresponsible.........not to mention harmful to a portion of the public's well being..............when they've been fed lies about the ACA since its inception? 3 years in, no sign of Trump's replacement for Obamacare

Or that while the prez has the constitutional authority to get involved in the criminal case of a friend it is antithetical to how our system of justice is designed to work? Bill Barr Must Resign

Or that the reason the Liar-in-Chief uses Twitter isn't as much to get his unfiltered message out as it is to avoid the scrutiny of the press who would surely call him out on the hundreds of lies he tells when he tweets? How many impeachment lies can you find in this Trump tweet?

Nobody is going to wade through that flood-the-zone litany of moonbat op-ed hackery to try to refute your and their derangement.

Now get back to eating your bag of dicks.

Pick just one and refute the facts. Look, we both know this is the game you guys play. When you have nothing you insult the author of the post, disparage the sources they use..................but never actually take on the facts in an attempt to prove them wrong. Cuz you can't.

What do you have? nothing but lies and warrants nothing but insults directed to you dumbass. I keep trying to tell you this.
Until you stop with pushing the lies you'll get nothing but warranted insults.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

If obstruction of congress violated the Constitution what happened to separation of power and why haven't other presidents been charged with obstruction of congress?

 

[Oddball]

With liberal control of 90% of print, cable, and televised media you people must REALLY suck at making a convincing argument. Or we just hate your guts and ignore anything you say, my money is on the latter.

It would have taken you less time to just say you can't factually refute anything I wrote.

An actual fact would make your OP self immolate.

Refute anything................PLEASE!

..........relentless efforts by Repubs to suppress the votes of likely Dem voters by a variety of means, an EC that is disproportionately representative of small, conservative rural states, America’s democracy is failing. Here’s why.

and a Trumpian constituency immune to the ignorance, immorality, criminality, corruption, and epic dishonesty of their Dear Leader.

I mean, how do you convince someone of how.......to be kind let's say inappropriate..........inappropriate it was for Don to say what he said on the Zelensky call when a large % of The Following still sees nothing wrong with it? Even after about 1/2 dozen Repub senators essentially admitted publicly (more privately) the House managers proved their case. Lamar Alexander says House proved Trump withheld aid to pressure Ukraine - Axios

How do you convince them, when empirical data isn't enough, that the Trump economy...........achieved by taking a 2ish % GDP growth economy.........and temporarily juicing it with a tax cut that has greatly increased the deficit.........is not an economic miracle, it's Keynesian policy with no regard for debt? Mulvaney Admits GOP Doesn't Care About Bloated Deficit Under Millionaire-Friendly Trump

How do you convince them that repealing the ACA without a replacement is both reckless and irresponsible.........not to mention harmful to a portion of the public's well being..............when they've been fed lies about the ACA since its inception? 3 years in, no sign of Trump's replacement for Obamacare

Or that while the prez has the constitutional authority to get involved in the criminal case of a friend it is antithetical to how our system of justice is designed to work? Bill Barr Must Resign

Or that the reason the Liar-in-Chief uses Twitter isn't as much to get his unfiltered message out as it is to avoid the scrutiny of the press who would surely call him out on the hundreds of lies he tells when he tweets? How many impeachment lies can you find in this Trump tweet?

Nobody is going to wade through that flood-the-zone litany of moonbat op-ed hackery to try to refute your and their derangement.

Now get back to eating your bag of dicks.

Pick just one and refute the facts. Look, we both know this is the game you guys play. When you have nothing you insult the author of the post, disparage the sources they use..................but never actually take on the facts in an attempt to prove them wrong. Cuz you can't.

 

[berg80]

It would have taken you less time to just say you can't factually refute anything I wrote.

An actual fact would make your OP self immolate.

Refute anything................PLEASE!

..........relentless efforts by Repubs to suppress the votes of likely Dem voters by a variety of means, an EC that is disproportionately representative of small, conservative rural states, America’s democracy is failing. Here’s why.

and a Trumpian constituency immune to the ignorance, immorality, criminality, corruption, and epic dishonesty of their Dear Leader.

I mean, how do you convince someone of how.......to be kind let's say inappropriate..........inappropriate it was for Don to say what he said on the Zelensky call when a large % of The Following still sees nothing wrong with it? Even after about 1/2 dozen Repub senators essentially admitted publicly (more privately) the House managers proved their case. Lamar Alexander says House proved Trump withheld aid to pressure Ukraine - Axios

How do you convince them, when empirical data isn't enough, that the Trump economy...........achieved by taking a 2ish % GDP growth economy.........and temporarily juicing it with a tax cut that has greatly increased the deficit.........is not an economic miracle, it's Keynesian policy with no regard for debt? Mulvaney Admits GOP Doesn't Care About Bloated Deficit Under Millionaire-Friendly Trump

How do you convince them that repealing the ACA without a replacement is both reckless and irresponsible.........not to mention harmful to a portion of the public's well being..............when they've been fed lies about the ACA since its inception? 3 years in, no sign of Trump's replacement for Obamacare

Or that while the prez has the constitutional authority to get involved in the criminal case of a friend it is antithetical to how our system of justice is designed to work? Bill Barr Must Resign

Or that the reason the Liar-in-Chief uses Twitter isn't as much to get his unfiltered message out as it is to avoid the scrutiny of the press who would surely call him out on the hundreds of lies he tells when he tweets? How many impeachment lies can you find in this Trump tweet?

Nobody is going to wade through that flood-the-zone litany of moonbat op-ed hackery to try to refute your and their derangement.

Now get back to eating your bag of dicks.

Pick just one and refute the facts. Look, we both know this is the game you guys play. When you have nothing you insult the author of the post, disparage the sources they use..................but never actually take on the facts in an attempt to prove them wrong. Cuz you can't.

What do you have? nothing but lies and warrants nothing but insults directed to you dumbass. I keep trying to tell you this.
Until you stop with pushing the lies you'll get nothing but warranted insults.

You do understand calling something a lie doesn't make it so, right?

 

[berg80]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

If obstruction of congress violated the Constitution what happened to separation of power and why haven't other presidents been charged with obstruction of congress?

Obstruction was part of the articles of impeachment for both Nixon and Clinton.

Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice
Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice

 

[Billiejeens]

Why are you Trumpette's so shy about addressing the facts laid out in the OP? Never mind, I already know, cuz they're facts that make you uncomfortable to admit.

Why do they allow TDS influenced people access to computers in the nut ward?

I agree, Trump Denial Syndrome is a plague on the country.

OK Trump Derangement Syndrome your derangement made you pick an avatar of your sickness.

Trump lives in his head rent free.

Are you kidding? Trump is the most thin skinned narcissist ever to reach national office.

Were you in a coma 2008 to 2016?

 

[Billiejeens]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

If obstruction of congress violated the Constitution what happened to separation of power and why haven't other presidents been charged with obstruction of congress?

Obstruction was part of the articles of impeachment for both Nixon and Clinton.

Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice
Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice

But not obstruction of Congress?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

If obstruction of congress violated the Constitution what happened to separation of power and why haven't other presidents been charged with obstruction of congress?

Obstruction was part of the articles of impeachment for both Nixon and Clinton.

Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice
Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice

Still waiting on obstruction of CONGRESS.

 

[berg80]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

If obstruction of congress violated the Constitution what happened to separation of power and why haven't other presidents been charged with obstruction of congress?

Obstruction was part of the articles of impeachment for both Nixon and Clinton.

Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice
Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice

But not obstruction of Congress?

Who do you think was conducting the impeachment proceeding?

 

[Billiejeens]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

If obstruction of congress violated the Constitution what happened to separation of power and why haven't other presidents been charged with obstruction of congress?

Obstruction was part of the articles of impeachment for both Nixon and Clinton.

Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice
Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice

But not obstruction of Congress?

Who do you think was conducting the impeachment proceeding?

Who?

 

[berg80]

ARTICLE 1

In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:

On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities.

The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan included one or more of the following:

1. making false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;
   
   
2. withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;
   
   
3. approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings;
   
   
4. interfering or endeavouring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees;

Watergate Articles Of Impeachment

 

[bigrebnc1775]

When you get a legitimate violation of the Constitution we can talk

When did you come to believe obstruction of a congressional investigation is not unconstitutional?

If obstruction of congress violated the Constitution what happened to separation of power and why haven't other presidents been charged with obstruction of congress?

Obstruction was part of the articles of impeachment for both Nixon and Clinton.

Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice
Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton both faced impeachment over obstruction of justice

But not obstruction of Congress?

Who do you think was conducting the impeachment proceeding?

I don't think you understand the obstruction of congress is not obstruction of Justice all presidents have obstructed Congress that's why congress takes them to court
The president is not subjugated to Congress because of the separation of power.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

ARTICLE 1

In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:

On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities.

The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan included one or more of the following:

1. making false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;
   
   
2. withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;
   
   
3. approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings;
   
   
4. interfering or endeavouring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees;

Watergate Articles Of Impeachment

obstruction of JUSTICE not CONGRESS