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The Dark Origins of Communism

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This is an apparent paradox, in the terms of the Bolsheviks he was a reactionary, but they needed his preaching of humility in the face of villainy, so they promoted him.
 

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By the way, bolsheviks also collaborated with the Nazis, together they broke Poland etc
 

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Mayakovsky, promoted by Bolshevism, was a double of the fascist Marrinetti, and the Gorkiy promoted by the Bolsheviks copied Nietzsche
But Nietzsche went much further than the Nazis in his preaching of predation
 

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In the 1930s, the Bolsheviks created a caste of "Urkagans", the kings of the criminal world, who were created from the "ofeny", petty traders, pickpockets and crooks, to fight the Zhigansky movement of former White Guards in prisons and to "reform the nation". They called them socially close, and introduced them into the gulag system, where they collaborated with the administration and mocked political prisoners, among whom there were many children. They physically and morally crushed them, could kill or rape them with impunity. This caste weakened during the eve of the collapse of Bolshevism, after the war, during the "bitch wars", but they are still preserved. They became entrenched again during the reign of Brezhnev. And they still terrorize prisoners and even free civilians.
(Much of this can be found in the books of Solzhenitsyn, he was a direct witness to these events)
 
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How many revolutions happened without it being about Communism?

And, in the US, our civil war happened to try to keep slavery under our form of Capitalism.

The socialism of eminent domain should have applied to avert our civil war.
Many if not most revolutions are basically offering the late teen early twenty something druggies and drunks FREE SHIT and eutopia in order for them to do violence to create chaos or enough blood shed to allow older more manipulate male leaders to take over.

This is in essence what communism and socialist revolutions really are ...........only difference is usually communists are jew/other religion or no religion while socialists are more catholic historically speaking atleast in more recent history. It is also the older manipulative leaders self centerness that makes them quick to kill any problems and the reason why the younger foot soldiers and fellow leaders who feel entitled are often wiped out during power struggles following a communist or socialist take over.
 

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Communism generally has a centrally-planned economy where the lowest members are provided with all the tools they need to do the jobs which are assigned to them. All members are provided with food and shelter and maintain a strict hierarchical command structure where they are expected to follow the orders of those above them in the chain of command.

Sounds a lot like every military I know of, including ours so I guess in some situations it is the optimal organization.
Communism in reality---always leads to starvation....so the claims of being provided for is only propaganda.
 

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Not all materials of that time are declassified and available to the public, but even that there is enough to draw conclusions. Up to mass terror and genocides. Therefore, the laundering of Bolshevism is in itself a de facto crime.
 

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Communism generally has a centrally-planned economy
This in itself means slavery, because without the market attraction of labor, the proletarian turns into a slave. The planned distribution of the working fund is impossible if they are not slaves.
 

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And if you do not have a planned distribution of the working fund, you can have no planned economy. The economy of the late USSR was not planned, these are just words. Market mechanisms worked there. And under Stalin there was slavery.
 

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The workers will not want to work where you send them according to the plan, they will not want to work for the money that you have in the plan, what will you do with the plan then? Is it clear?
 

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So the main idea of Marxism is slavery. The proletarian turns into a slave, and he does not choose either a place of work or payment for his labor.
It's not even hidden.
 

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Modern Marxists are always hypocritical and lie to the public. When they talk about achievements in the social sphere, they refer to the late USSR, where there were acceptable social conditions, but there was no purely planned economy. When they talk about the gains in production growth, they whitewash Stalinism, where there was a big industrial leap at the expense of slave labor.
 

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College students having little knowledge of history still think its cool to be a marxist.


 

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The economic plan that existed under the "soft" version of socialism exists everywhere, it is not called five-year plans, but it is all regulated by financial and trade means, resources are allocated and the economy works relatively predictably, they get what they need.
Most of the capitalist property is not private property, it exists in the form of management and is financed by investors, it is close to the socialist model. Most Americans are not the owners of the means of production. This form is only available in small businesses. The difference between soft socialism and "capitalism" is negligible. Trade and financial policy is socialist regulation.
 

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If we touch upon the issues of stability, no "plan" contributes to stability, it is a matter of cleanliness of state bodies. Under Stalinism, there was a huge classic bubble of government loans that also burst
Besides, government bonds were given forcibly
 

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In general, in the Bolshevik environment, due to their origin from among writers, traders and speculators, there were very experienced financiers and fraud was put on the level of state policy.
Where terror alone could not cope, fraudulent schemes were included. The grain monopoly, the system of "trade syndicat" for knocking out gold and antiques in conditions of famine, collectivization with the socialization of personal inventory, which did not require its redemption by the state, and much more were just fraudulent schemes. The protagonist of the Stalinist period, Ostap Bender, is a swindler. The music of that time came from a fraudulent environment, these were "thieves' motives" adjusted to the system.
 

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The enterprises of the 1930s were organized along the lines of ordinary capitalist enterprises such as artels. But the difference was that the profits of these artels were withdrawn by the Bolsheviks, but at the same time this did not require social obligations on the part of the state.
Some of the enterprises were state-owned, but most were not. Therefore, there were no pensions or other guarantees. At that time, education was paid, even the initial one. The common people of that time were absolutely illiterate, they did not even know how to write and read.
These people survived until late Soviet times. Among those who were born around 1900 in the Soviet Union during "perestroika"(85-91), there were many who could barely write, the older generation. They wrote in children's handwriting, learned this when they were already adults.
 
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Communism in reality---always leads to starvation....so the claims of being provided for is only propaganda.
It's not communism, it is authoritarianism that always leads to starvation but I take your point. My point is that every economy, including ours, is mixed and has elements of communism, socialism, and capitalism because there is no other way. Only the proportions of each will vary.
 

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This in itself means slavery, because without the market attraction of labor, the proletarian turns into a slave. The planned distribution of the working fund is impossible if they are not slaves.
My point is that every economy, including ours, is mixed and has elements of communism, socialism, and capitalism because there is no other practical way. Only the proportions of each will vary.
 

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