“The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling”

[DGS49]

History disputes the notion that "government schools" cannot do a good job. Traditionally, American schools focused on five core subjects: English, foreign language, mathematics, science, and history, with Latin often substituted for the foreign language. If only...

In the 1930's only 25% of American students earned a high school diploma, and while many didn't because of economic conditions, an equal number simply couldn't meet the academic requirements, which were rigorous. A High School Diploma was something to be proud of and as with today's college degree, many people continued schooling at night well into their 20's to capture that valuable credential. My parents and most of their siblings earned their HS diploma's at night in the 30's.

The decline of American public schools can be tied effectively to one major policy decision - often made without consideration of its predictable ramifications: The granting of collective bargaining rights (including the right to strike) to public school teachers.

Not only did the cost of "education" explode within a decade after this disastrous policy choice, but becoming a teacher became a lifetime sinecure, complete with good pay, enviable benefits, lifetime job security, outrageous retirement packages (starting at the preposterous age of 52 or so), and the ability to perpetually nibble away at the workload and demands of the position.

Bringing teachers into the economic middle class, with much more "free time" than other careers, resulted in their unions becoming more politically powerful than even the AFLCIO, Teamsters, UAW, or the dreaded SEIU. There are more teachers at the Democratic National Convention than any other "profession." By a huge margin.

And rather than working with "management" to improve EDUCATION over the years, their emphasis has been on taking on the latest fads in education, piling on pointless feel-good initiatives, and pushing questionable social engineering philosophies, to the detriment of...EDUCATION, if you must know. So our kids now have gobs of "self esteem," they know all about deviant sexual practices and how to prevent STD's by the time they are in fifth grade, they know that Christopher Columbus was a genocidal monster and that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, but they couldn't find Spain on a map if you limited it to the Iberian ******* peninsula.

There is nothing inherently wrong with government schools. They do great in other countries. But where American-style unions prevail (that is, unions that see themselves as adversarial to Management), schools suck.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wresting the school system from the enemy will require a certain amount of unsavory behavior.

Not necessarily. The unions might decide to get ugly, in which case they would get what they deserve, but if enough people care, their power can be broken through legal means.

All that need be done is provide other pathways for parents to use.


We are a home school family.

There is no tax break for those who don't use the government schools.


And there's this:

Homeschool World - News - Some Fascinating Facts About Homeschool vs Public School

your idiot stats prove NOTHING about home-schooling other than parents who
engage in homeschooling ---- ----include those who CAN. I knew a homeschooler------she, herself, was a teacher who was, at that time---a stay at home mom. She was not a barely literate pizza delivery lady who worked 16 hours per day. "fascinating facts"?????

Your idiot post, the same.

All evidence proves that both home schooling is far more beneficial, and that government schooling is a failure....and an expensive one.



BTW.....the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'

the idiot bar graph you cite is not a study------it IS, however,
data which has not been subjected to reasonable analysis

Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about.

There is neither a claim by anyone but you, or any such evidence, that government schooling is even close to the results of home schooling.


Standardized test results for 16,000 home educated children, grades K-12, were analyzed in 1994 by researcher Dr. Brian Ray. He found the nationwide grand mean in reading for homeschoolers was at the 79th percentile; for language and math, the 73rd percentile. This ranking means home-educated students performed better than approximately 77% of the sample population on whom the test was normed. Nearly 80% of homeschooled children achieved individual scores above the national average and 54.7% of the 16,000 homeschoolers achieved individual scores in the top quarter of the population, more than double the number of conventional school students who score in the top quarter. 1

A Harvard University (MA) admissions officer said most of their home-educated students "have done very well. They usually are very motivated in what they do." Results of the SAT and SAT II, an essay, an interview, and a letter of recommendation are the main requirements for home-educated applicants. "[Transcripts are] irrelevant because a transcript is basically a comparison to other students in the school."
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000000/00000017.asp


It appears you got up on the wrong side of the cage today.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

Bush was part of the problem or he would have ended the Progressive Intellectual pedophilia that is our "educational" system; Trump absolutely must end it, or we're done as a nation

 

[PoliticalChic]

History disputes the notion that "government schools" cannot do a good job. Traditionally, American schools focused on five core subjects: English, foreign language, mathematics, science, and history, with Latin often substituted for the foreign language. If only...

In the 1930's only 25% of American students earned a high school diploma, and while many didn't because of economic conditions, an equal number simply couldn't meet the academic requirements, which were rigorous. A High School Diploma was something to be proud of and as with today's college degree, many people continued schooling at night well into their 20's to capture that valuable credential. My parents and most of their siblings earned their HS diploma's at night in the 30's.

The decline of American public schools can be tied effectively to one major policy decision - often made without consideration of its predictable ramifications: The granting of collective bargaining rights (including the right to strike) to public school teachers.

Not only did the cost of "education" explode within a decade after this disastrous policy choice, but becoming a teacher became a lifetime sinecure, complete with good pay, enviable benefits, lifetime job security, outrageous retirement packages (starting at the preposterous age of 52 or so), and the ability to perpetually nibble away at the workload and demands of the position.

Bringing teachers into the economic middle class, with much more "free time" than other careers, resulted in their unions becoming more politically powerful than even the AFLCIO, Teamsters, UAW, or the dreaded SEIU. There are more teachers at the Democratic National Convention than any other "profession." By a huge margin.

And rather than working with "management" to improve EDUCATION over the years, their emphasis has been on taking on the latest fads in education, piling on pointless feel-good initiatives, and pushing questionable social engineering philosophies, to the detriment of...EDUCATION, if you must know. So our kids now have gobs of "self esteem," they know all about deviant sexual practices and how to prevent STD's by the time they are in fifth grade, they know that Christopher Columbus was a genocidal monster and that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, but they couldn't find Spain on a map if you limited it to the Iberian ******* peninsula.

There is nothing inherently wrong with government schools. They do great in other countries. But where American-style unions prevail (that is, unions that see themselves as adversarial to Management), schools suck.

"History disputes the notion that "government schools" cannot do a good job."


Can you find anyplace I stated that?

 

[depotoo]

Wresting the school system from the enemy will require a certain amount of unsavory behavior.

Not necessarily. The unions might decide to get ugly, in which case they would get what they deserve, but if enough people care, their power can be broken through legal means.

I agree. The first step has already been taken. Not being required to pay dues.

 

[irosie91]

Not necessarily. The unions might decide to get ugly, in which case they would get what they deserve, but if enough people care, their power can be broken through legal means.

All that need be done is provide other pathways for parents to use.


We are a home school family.

There is no tax break for those who don't use the government schools.


And there's this:

Homeschool World - News - Some Fascinating Facts About Homeschool vs Public School

your idiot stats prove NOTHING about home-schooling other than parents who
engage in homeschooling ---- ----include those who CAN. I knew a homeschooler------she, herself, was a teacher who was, at that time---a stay at home mom. She was not a barely literate pizza delivery lady who worked 16 hours per day. "fascinating facts"?????

Your idiot post, the same.

All evidence proves that both home schooling is far more beneficial, and that government schooling is a failure....and an expensive one.



BTW.....the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'

the idiot bar graph you cite is not a study------it IS, however,
data which has not been subjected to reasonable analysis

Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about.

There is neither a claim by anyone but you, or any such evidence, that government schooling is even close to the results of home schooling.


Standardized test results for 16,000 home educated children, grades K-12, were analyzed in 1994 by researcher Dr. Brian Ray. He found the nationwide grand mean in reading for homeschoolers was at the 79th percentile; for language and math, the 73rd percentile. This ranking means home-educated students performed better than approximately 77% of the sample population on whom the test was normed. Nearly 80% of homeschooled children achieved individual scores above the national average and 54.7% of the 16,000 homeschoolers achieved individual scores in the top quarter of the population, more than double the number of conventional school students who score in the top quarter. 1

A Harvard University (MA) admissions officer said most of their home-educated students "have done very well. They usually are very motivated in what they do." Results of the SAT and SAT II, an essay, an interview, and a letter of recommendation are the main requirements for home-educated applicants. "[Transcripts are] irrelevant because a transcript is basically a comparison to other students in the school."
HSLDA | Homeschooled Students Excel in College


It appears you got up on the wrong side of the cage today.

your post makes no sense. At no point did I comment on the quality of
home-schooling vs government public school schooling. I commented on
that which is called "method" in any reasonable study. -----you ain't got
"controls"----your data is, THEREFORE, worthless. My anecdote was
far more valuable----as an anecdote. Anecdotes do have some value.

 

[bodecea]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

The first step would be to destroy the Teacher Unions hegemony.

The worst schools are in states without unions. Fact.

 

[bodecea]

Wresting the school system from the enemy will require a certain amount of unsavory behavior.

Not necessarily. The unions might decide to get ugly, in which case they would get what they deserve, but if enough people care, their power can be broken through legal means.

All that need be done is provide other pathways for parents to use.


We are a home school family.

There is no tax break for those who don't use the government schools.


And there's this:

My daughter goes to a private school, but even there we get no tax breaks either. And, last year, they had a terrible math teacher. Gone this year, but that teacher had been a public school teacher.

Cool Story....sounds like the public schools got rid of that teacher and your so-called private school snapped them up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All that need be done is provide other pathways for parents to use.


We are a home school family.

There is no tax break for those who don't use the government schools.


And there's this:

Homeschool World - News - Some Fascinating Facts About Homeschool vs Public School

your idiot stats prove NOTHING about home-schooling other than parents who
engage in homeschooling ---- ----include those who CAN. I knew a homeschooler------she, herself, was a teacher who was, at that time---a stay at home mom. She was not a barely literate pizza delivery lady who worked 16 hours per day. "fascinating facts"?????

Your idiot post, the same.

All evidence proves that both home schooling is far more beneficial, and that government schooling is a failure....and an expensive one.



BTW.....the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'

the idiot bar graph you cite is not a study------it IS, however,
data which has not been subjected to reasonable analysis

Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about.

There is neither a claim by anyone but you, or any such evidence, that government schooling is even close to the results of home schooling.


Standardized test results for 16,000 home educated children, grades K-12, were analyzed in 1994 by researcher Dr. Brian Ray. He found the nationwide grand mean in reading for homeschoolers was at the 79th percentile; for language and math, the 73rd percentile. This ranking means home-educated students performed better than approximately 77% of the sample population on whom the test was normed. Nearly 80% of homeschooled children achieved individual scores above the national average and 54.7% of the 16,000 homeschoolers achieved individual scores in the top quarter of the population, more than double the number of conventional school students who score in the top quarter. 1

A Harvard University (MA) admissions officer said most of their home-educated students "have done very well. They usually are very motivated in what they do." Results of the SAT and SAT II, an essay, an interview, and a letter of recommendation are the main requirements for home-educated applicants. "[Transcripts are] irrelevant because a transcript is basically a comparison to other students in the school."
HSLDA | Homeschooled Students Excel in College


It appears you got up on the wrong side of the cage today.

your post makes no sense. At no point did I comment on the quality of
home-schooling vs government public school schooling. I commented on
that which is called "method" in any reasonable study. -----you ain't got
"controls"----your data is, THEREFORE, worthless. My anecdote was
far more valuable----as an anecdote. Anecdotes do have some value.

There is no research that agrees with you.

None.


Every study proves what I noted.


Here's one.
"As long as it’s structured and follows a set curriculum, home schooling may actually lead to better scores on tests of math and reading, compared with public schooling, say the researchers from Concordia University and Mount Allison University in Canada.

The researchers studied 74 children aged 5 to 10 living in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick: 37 kids were schooled at home, and the other 37 attended local public schools. Each child was asked to complete standardized tests of reading, writing and math.

Researchers found that the public-school kids tested at or above their grade levels, but home-schooled children tested even higher than that — about a half-grade higher in math and 2.2 grades in reading, compared with the traditionally educated children."
Read more: High Marks for Home Schooling, a Small Study Finds | TIME.com High Marks for Home Schooling, a Small Study Finds | TIME.com


Before you next post, you should consider asking yourself” Do I really want the word ‘moron’ in my obituary?”

 

[bodecea]

Wresting the school system from the enemy will require a certain amount of unsavory behavior.

Not necessarily. The unions might decide to get ugly, in which case they would get what they deserve, but if enough people care, their power can be broken through legal means.

All that need be done is provide other pathways for parents to use.


We are a home school family.

There is no tax break for those who don't use the government schools.


And there's this:

Homeschool World - News - Some Fascinating Facts About Homeschool vs Public School

your idiot stats prove NOTHING about home-schooling other than parents who
engage in homeschooling ---- ----include those who CAN. I knew a homeschooler------she, herself, was a teacher who was, at that time---a stay at home mom. She was not a barely literate pizza delivery lady who worked 16 hours per day. "fascinating facts"?????

A teacher who is barely literate? So she was a public school employee. Thanks for the support.

no----she is very literate----even writes children's books------not sure if she got published-----her kids seem bright

Some posters just don't pay attention.....private school?

 

[SAYIT]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

There is hope for some. A distant cuz who is a lifelong liberal Dem, award-winning school teacher, newly minted dad, and son of socialist parents told me he can feel himself becoming increasingly conservative. He said it seems a natural progression meaning as he matures the ideological fog and inculcation are receding and pragmatism and rationality are having an effect.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'll put you down as being in total agreement with the post that brought you here.




Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

 

[Frannie]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

There are no Government schools...………..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

There is hope for some. A distant cuz who is a lifelong liberal Dem, school teacher, newly minted dad, and son of socialist parents told me he can feel himself becoming increasingly conservative. He said it seems a natural progression meaning as he matures the ideological fog and inculcation are receding and pragmatism and rationality are having an effect.

I believe it more and more difficult for those how had only a passing interest in politics,and accepted the embrace of the Liberal mob as being enough validation, can no longer ignore how clinically insane the Democrat Party has become:

They recognize what a Democrat America would look like.

Were that to occur,

1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.

11. The abolition of prisons so that convicted criminals would be free to prey on innocent citizens. ."AOC Wants to Abolish Prisons

...saying that lawmakers needed to explore the mass release of America's prison population.



Oh....and this....

12. Abortion rights for men


13. Special laws that favor transgender illegal aliens




No sane person would opt for this.

 

[bodecea]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

It's only "deterioration" if you use your criteria for what constitutes "education"...For those running the indoctrination mills, it's a great success.

Excellent point......this may be the Democrats/Progressives most successful endeavor.

We see the results on this board on a daily basis.

Oh.....indeed we do.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

There are no Government schools...………..

Sometimes the brain damage reveals it self without any comment being necessary.

 

[2aguy]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

And another great thread by PoliticalChic...

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. When the Liberals took charge, and indoctrination became the aim, they revealed themselves as the very reverse of America’s founding, with collectivism in place of individualism.

"For humankind at large Lenin had nothing but scorn: ...individual human beings held for Lenin almost no interest..."
Richard Pipes, "The Unknown Lenin," p. 10




13. And the methodology more suited to the USSR than the USA.

“In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food.

Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour. “I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,” Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.

“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?” he asked. “Exactly” replied Lenin. “Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”…
Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733



BTW....the same was Hillary Clinton's view.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

And another great thread by PoliticalChic...

You are more than kind, guy!!

 

[westwall]

Government school....owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc.

While it is difficult to pinpoint when the deterioration began, there is no doubt that earlier generations learned far more than what government school produces today.

And, coincidentally, the decay can be plotted along the same lines as Liberal control. One significant date is in 1980 when Democrat incompetent….is that redundant?...Jimmy Carter instituted the unconstitutional creation of a federal education department.



“…all the evidence shows that government schools do a terrible job.”


1."…cast a cold look at the performance of schools… Consider the trends: Since 2005, SAT reading scores have dropped by 14 points. A writing component was added to the SAT in 2006, and scores have dropped every year since then except for two years when they were flat. Math scores for 2015 were the lowest in 20 years. …On the ACT’s measure of “college readiness” in math, English, reading, and science, slightly more than one-third of test takers met the benchmarks in three subjects, while another one-third did not meet any(!) of the benchmarks. …According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams (the “Nation’s Report Card,” administered by the Education Department’s National Center for Educational Statistics), only one-quarter of 12th-graders are proficient in civics, one-fifth in geography, just over one-third (37 percent) in reading, one-fifth (22 percent) in science, and one-eighth (12 percent) in US history. Only one-quarter of them reach proficiency in math. …At the same time, we have another discrepancy, outcomes versus public school funding. …Adjusted for inflation, the national average for per-pupil spending rose steadily…the cost-benefit numbers continue to look bleak."
The job of the education secretary isn’t to defend public schools. It’s to help kids learn.



2. “A Nation at Risk…revealed, in the words of Ronald Reagan, an education system plagued by “low standards, lack of purpose, ineffective use of resources, and a failure to challenge students to push performance to the boundaries of individual ability.” …Since then the nation has devoted a great deal of attention to getting education right. To little avail. …The results of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)…, released this month, are dismal. Fewer than half of students are rated “proficient” in each of these subjects.” Test Score Statistics Are Stagnant, 35 Years after ‘A Nation at Risk’ | National Review




3. “The fundamental problem is that teacher unions are in bed with politicians.

This doesn’t just mean that government schools are needlessly expensive (and they are). It also means that the government monopoly primarily exists as a tool to serve bureaucracy rather than students.” The Continuing Deterioration Of K-12 Government Schooling



America will never be saved from the abyss if schools are not severed from the political bureaucracy, and citizens are provided with more options for schooling their children without indoctrination.

The first step would be to destroy the Teacher Unions hegemony.

The worst schools are in states without unions. Fact.

A ridiculous claim. Fact.